Incest

[Xenoran]

I think Soul is just jealous, because he doesn't have a sister of his own to fuck.

In fact I do have a sister but she's the worst sister ever. She always makes me look like the perpetrator and gets away with it a lot too. Dammit my parents even thought that I smoked while she was the one that did. And my parents are really against smoking so imagine what kind of scolding I had to endure because of that evil bitch....

Maybe she's tsundere for you? Or trying to get your attention that way? Maybe she's acting like that girl from Ore no Imouto, only with more incest-craving.

I don't think tsunderes push you in front of moving cars or slam glass doors in your face so your arms get cut open by the sharp glass and then pretending that it wasn't her fault *sigh*.
Key element of tsuderes is that they never get dangerously violent while my sister has done so a lot of times. Like when she was flipping pancakes she decided to rid of the oil on the spatula by waving it around while I was there pouring my drink. 200 degrees C oil droplets hurt man.

... fuck. seriously, your sister is either sadistic or she purely hates you. How old is she? She seems to be similar to one of my ex-girlfriends...

17 almost 18. And yes she's an evil witch I tell you. She has perfected the art of crying so whenever I even try to do something back she just cries and BAM I am the bad guy.
She's one of those types that will humiliate you in front of your friends, and her friends and basically any company at all. And she's always been this evil as far as I can remember. Back when were we little she used to throw breakable stuff at me when she was angry or rub those burning plants (nettle or something) in my face or try to run me over with her bike....

Only one thing comes to mind:
Well calculated and sever revenge upon such an individual.        

How I would love to do this but my parents are really overprotective of her because she has some chronic ear disease. I avoid her as much as I can now.... Sad that it has to be this way.

Wow don't be such a wimp, talk to her about it and if she doesn't listen yell at her if whenever she tries something. Seriously if my sister ever treated me like that she wouldn't get away with it.

If my sister ever did or tried anything like that it would be the last time she ever did or tried something like that .. i wouldnt kill her or hurt her but i sure as hell would make her think i would and scare the shit out of her

[Soulreaper77]

Wow don't be such a wimp, talk to her about it and if she doesn't listen yell at her if whenever she tries something. Seriously if my sister ever treated me like that she wouldn't get away with it.

Dude do you really think that I didn't do anything about it? It's just that I always get blamed for every fucking thing while I didn't even do it, and when I prove it, it's like "Oh well, let's just forget about it." I yelled at her so many times but the thing is I can't do anything and she knows it. One of the few things I can actually retaliate with is her intelligence as she isn't that smart, well in fact she's just an idiot, and my parents are like hardcore asian parents that want their children to become doctors or any other highly accredited job. That's the only thing that will really hit her hard but I've played that card so much that she doesn't even care anymore and my parents are slowly giving up on her ever being smart.

But let's stop talking about this as we're going way too off-topic and I do not really want talk about it anymore.

[Xenoran]

understood.

Sooooooo back on topic ........ incest is wrong

[x5ga]

understood.

Sooooooo back on topic ........ incest is wrong

...No it isn't unless you're making babies, in which case it's 33-50% wrong.

Who are we to stand in the way of true love, or something

[CodeMonkey]

understood.
Sooooooo back on topic ........ incest is wrong

...No it isn't unless you're making babies, in which case it's 33-50% wrong.
Who are we to stand in the way of true love, or something

When that "true love" has a strong or high chance or probability (I consider a 1 in 3 or 1 in 2 chance pretty damn strong or likely) of damaging the gene pool that is responsible for our species, it is indeed up to "We" to stand in the way of that. I mean if they truly want to be together I have no problem with that, but if you want to change the laws in most modern, civilized societies or cultures then any couple that is closely blood related should be sterilized, if they want to be together, so as to not propagate the species with genetic malfunctions! If the sterilization sounds a little too extreme, I am referring to chemical sterilization, which is reversible as well as surgical, which is also reversible or simply that if they don't take precautions, mandatory abortions.

[donald1]

why should we care anyway. if a brother and sister have a baby together for whatever reason, so what... it's not like it directly effects you. and people are gonna do whatever they want regardless. driving while drunk is illegal, but people do it everyday. yur not supposed to shoot someone in the face with a shotgun, but guess what, it still happens. i say let them have sex, a baby, a loving relationship, or whatever -- there are far more important/dangerous things to worry about on a daily basis.

[x5ga]

understood.
Sooooooo back on topic ........ incest is wrong

...No it isn't unless you're making babies, in which case it's 33-50% wrong.
Who are we to stand in the way of true love, or something

When that "true love" has a strong or high chance or probability of damaging to the gene pool that is responsible for our species, it is indeed up to "We" to stand in the way of that. I mean if they truly want to be together I have no problem with that, but if you want to change the laws in most modern, civilized societies or cultures then any couple that is closely blood related should be sterilized so as to not propagate the species with genetic malfunctions!   

I totally agree with you, and there is a significant chance that their incest-born baby will be born without any malformations/deformities/genetic disorders. So, they could abort it if it's a "fail-fetus" or something, but be allowed to keep it if it's OK. The only problem here is that you can't screen for every possible genetic disorder before birth (yet), and for some, not even after (unless you know what you are looking for and have tons of money to do so).

Also, it's their kid, even if it's a genetic monster. They can do whatever they want with it, but let's say without any support from the government (as a penalty).

[harpy]

why should we care anyway. if a brother and sister have a baby together for whatever reason, so what... it's not like it directly effects you. and people are gonna do whatever they want regardless. driving while drunk is illegal, but people do it everyday. yur not supposed to shoot someone in the face with a shotgun, but guess what, it still happens. i say let them have sex, a baby, a loving relationship, or whatever -- there are far more important/dangerous things to worry about on a daily basis.

not quite true
that will increase of creepy/sick/wrong and so on babies in the future, we already have enough of that.
I bet babies like that started to born because inbreeding was not strictly forbidden, in fact in some cultures it was stimulated (like Egypt, I am talking about ancient times), but at least they did get rid of these kind of kids back then (not only in Egypt), they even had a nice tradition not to think of child as human before it was given name and they could just throw them away, now we have to take care of all these creeps and unfit humans. I know that now and always it was not the only reason why such babies was born, but it is a factor and always will be. Just imagine - there was few humans in the beginning and now there is just way to much. Humans are parasite and we with out "humane" laws produce not only standard healty idiots but also sick idiots.
And please do not misunderstand me, I have nothing special against genetic mutants/sick people, I equally hate all humans and think that those with some kind of sickness should not reproduce (mental sicknesses included) or even better - humans should just stop reproducing and die out.

I have nothing against incest, there is nothing wrong with it unless they make babies, but then again I am against making babies as such But incest producer babies just have a higher risk of producing a human being that does not fully coincide within the term human.

[Xenoran]

why should we care anyway. if a brother and sister have a baby together for whatever reason, so what... it's not like it directly effects you. and people are gonna do whatever they want regardless. driving while drunk is illegal, but people do it everyday. yur not supposed to shoot someone in the face with a shotgun, but guess what, it still happens. i say let them have sex, a baby, a loving relationship, or whatever -- there are far more important/dangerous things to worry about on a daily basis.

people drive drunk yes ... but if you made it legal guess how many more people would. yes its illegal to kill people ... but if it wasnt guess how many more murders would take place every day ..... laws are always broken by the few but if there were not there the masses would then join and that ends in chaos. Telling people they can do what they want whenever they want without conciquence  is simple wrong. the same needs to apply to incest the risk it plays over time outweighs this "love" you think these people have. I can guarantee you that if you split that couple up they would find another mate in time

[CodeMonkey]

I totally agree with you, and there is a significant chance that their incest-born baby will be born without any malformations/deformities/genetic disorders.

Yeah, but the chance is just as significant, if not even more so that it WILL have genetic defects. Depending on the study, the averages are between 33%-73%, but the accepted average usually falls around 50/50. The problem is though, that only refers to the first generation of offspring. By the third generation's offspring that average is almost always a sure 100% genetic defect in the offspring, where the only differences in averages are how lethal or sever the defects are. 

Well it doesn't really matter anyway, because in most modern, civilized places it IS very illegal, just like drunk driving or shooting someone in the face with a gauge. That will never change. It's not only considered  morally and/or social wrong, but medicine and science both are on the side of the advocates against incest.

Sure love is a wonderful thing and it kinda bothers the soul to interfere with it, but I can pretty easily quite my soul, when I think that my ENTIRE damn species is at stake, in the long run. It seems that some people are only thinking about the immediate future or first born, but if it was allowed or made legal, it wouldn't stop with just the first generation, which kinda has a gathering snowball or domino effect.     

Pure, simple and this was learned centuries or more ago (mostly by farmers and/or animal breeders) as well as very proven today with studies along with modern research, that inbreeding IS bad, being a direct path to the extinction of the breed or species. Sure it won't happen in the beginning, but it is proven fact that if a species is allowed to breed incestuously, unchecked, eventually the gene pool becomes so damaged that it can no longer maintain or support its species. FUCK love, I'd rather be sure that the future generations of my bloodline have a healthy society to live in. (YES "healthy society" is a VERY relative and mostly inapplicable term , but I am only referring to incest not being allowed and staying that way in society.)

Even "wild" animals don't inbreed or avoid inbreeding unless they are in closed captivity or in some type of isolated environment, that alone should be kind of a big hint. LOL! 

[JoonasTo]

Intelligence is very much gene based.

Hitting women is just as (un)acceptable as hitting men. Stop with the bullshit about it already.

How I would love to do this but my parents are really overprotective of her because she has some chronic ear disease. I avoid her as much as I can now.... Sad that it has to be this way.

And that's probably why she acts that way. It's obvious she's sick because no normal adult person acts like that.


And for the rest I pretty much agree with x5ga.

[Sebur]

It makes you wonder what will be done in the future.
In the movie code 46 they've gone so far that it's illegal to marry anyone who has a genetic similarity to yourself.

[Kavid]

Hmmm this discussion is pretty interesting. I feel like I may be able to assist, seeing as, for reasons unknown even to me, my minor is in the field of human reproduction (try explaining that to people in general conversation). 

So looking at incidence of genetic disorder in first generation offspring of incestuous relations we actually see little difference from the general population, however there is an increased chance of manifesting heritable disorders already noted in your family lineage, eg heart disorder or diabetes. The reason inbreeding is linked to genetic disorders is because diversity in the genome is a protective factor against illnesses/disorders/ malformations and such; as the population tends to carry on strengths of its genetic constituents (natural selection type of deal). Meanwhile if you consistently inbreed recessive traits eventually become reinforced and expressed more often, which leads to increased susceptibility to disorder.

The idea of inbreeding causing lower intelligence isn't supported scientifically, it is more of a stereotype people apply to country folk, incorrectly identifying lower level of education and different concepts of intellectual pursuits as a genetic predisposition for learning disorders or pervasive developmental disorders.

From an evolutionary perspective incest is selected against for a couple of reasons: 1. Keeping genetic material within close proximity (such as in family) make it more susceptible to being wiped out in one go (like by disease, slaughter etc). 2. Inbreeding has a negative effect on building diverse social ties and large societies, hence increasing the risk of being killed by competitors.

Now some psychological points of interest. The most commonly occurring incestuous behaviour involves older sisters molesting their younger brothers, which is strange considering most sex crimes are perpetuated by men (or at least this is most common type of case presented to psychologists). Such incidents, although rarely being reported as violent, have noted negative effects on the males developing sexually, with feelings of confusion, guilt and mistrust/fear of women often presenting.

In real life i think incestuous relationships would rarely be able to function healthily, although I suppose it's not impossible. I think for the most part it represents are failure to differentiate sexual/romantic love from companionable love, or an inability to develop socially to an extent outside of familial situations. That being said I am somewhat of a libertine so I wouldn't presume to judge two individuals engaging in consensual incest, especially seeing as it is of no harm to me.

 In art however I think the idea can have quite romantic connotations, and art is supposed to present characters in unusual intense or symbolic relationships, so it's all good. The one problem I have though is that I can't really enjoy all the incest themed animes that seem to be coming out lately. They just fail to address the consequences and repercussions in a believable way, which really detracts from the story. Plus having a sister myself really tarnishes my enjoyment of the fetish...... its hard not to consider how you would react to the situation of the protagonists in the story... and nothing is more of a turnoff than having family members intrude on fantasies (for me at least). Probably a more popular fetish for single children.

[Gigi1017]

 I honestly see nothing wrong with it at all. Why must people be tied down by blood when they did not choose to fall in love with a relative. It's not like they went looking for 'trouble'. If you live by following all 'rules', 'morals', or by what is considered 'right' or 'wrong' in society one cannot be happy. If I were to follow them, life would be 'awesome' ne?
In Biblical times, it was encouraged to marry your brother, sister, cousin etc.. to increase population that was very small at the time, or to keep the power of a country/thrown within the family without including anyone else. Supposedly 'God' encouraged it as well. (IF you want to add religion to the mix) So this way of society looking on incest is a modern new "moral". Morals depends on person in question AND times we live on.

I stand by Shakespeare's little statement on this one... "Nothing is either good nor bad, but thinking makes it so." Of course it has its limits but it just pushes the idea of acceptance to me.

I stand by that as well.

Are you an animal... no

Yes, we are. Humans (as much as they hate to admit it) by the laws of this world, biology and nature are animals. So the only way you are any better than the rest of the animals is because we theoreticaly conquered them and their territories. I personally think of us, humans as the worst, lowest kinds of monsters and that we should go extinct in some horrible way. You may think that we are some greater beings than some stupid animals. But the fact remains, we are animals.

We have something in common. I also "think of us, humans as the worst, lowest kinds of monsters and that we should go extinct in some horrible way.