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JoonasTo:
Intelligence is very much gene based.
Hitting women is just as (un)acceptable as hitting men. Stop with the bullshit about it already.
--- Quote ---How I would love to do this but my parents are really overprotective of her because she has some chronic ear disease. I avoid her as much as I can now.... Sad that it has to be this way.
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And that's probably why she acts that way. It's obvious she's sick because no normal adult person acts like that.
And for the rest I pretty much agree with x5ga.
Sebur:
It makes you wonder what will be done in the future.
In the movie code 46 they've gone so far that it's illegal to marry anyone who has a genetic similarity to yourself.
Kavid:
Hmmm this discussion is pretty interesting. I feel like I may be able to assist, seeing as, for reasons unknown even to me, my minor is in the field of human reproduction (try explaining that to people in general conversation).
So looking at incidence of genetic disorder in first generation offspring of incestuous relations we actually see little difference from the general population, however there is an increased chance of manifesting heritable disorders already noted in your family lineage, eg heart disorder or diabetes. The reason inbreeding is linked to genetic disorders is because diversity in the genome is a protective factor against illnesses/disorders/ malformations and such; as the population tends to carry on strengths of its genetic constituents (natural selection type of deal). Meanwhile if you consistently inbreed recessive traits eventually become reinforced and expressed more often, which leads to increased susceptibility to disorder.
The idea of inbreeding causing lower intelligence isn't supported scientifically, it is more of a stereotype people apply to country folk, incorrectly identifying lower level of education and different concepts of intellectual pursuits as a genetic predisposition for learning disorders or pervasive developmental disorders.
From an evolutionary perspective incest is selected against for a couple of reasons: 1. Keeping genetic material within close proximity (such as in family) make it more susceptible to being wiped out in one go (like by disease, slaughter etc). 2. Inbreeding has a negative effect on building diverse social ties and large societies, hence increasing the risk of being killed by competitors.
Now some psychological points of interest. The most commonly occurring incestuous behaviour involves older sisters molesting their younger brothers, which is strange considering most sex crimes are perpetuated by men (or at least this is most common type of case presented to psychologists). Such incidents, although rarely being reported as violent, have noted negative effects on the males developing sexually, with feelings of confusion, guilt and mistrust/fear of women often presenting.
In real life i think incestuous relationships would rarely be able to function healthily, although I suppose it's not impossible. I think for the most part it represents are failure to differentiate sexual/romantic love from companionable love, or an inability to develop socially to an extent outside of familial situations. That being said I am somewhat of a libertine so I wouldn't presume to judge two individuals engaging in consensual incest, especially seeing as it is of no harm to me.
In art however I think the idea can have quite romantic connotations, and art is supposed to present characters in unusual intense or symbolic relationships, so it's all good. The one problem I have though is that I can't really enjoy all the incest themed animes that seem to be coming out lately. They just fail to address the consequences and repercussions in a believable way, which really detracts from the story. Plus having a sister myself really tarnishes my enjoyment of the fetish...... its hard not to consider how you would react to the situation of the protagonists in the story... and nothing is more of a turnoff than having family members intrude on fantasies (for me at least). Probably a more popular fetish for single children.
Gigi1017:
I honestly see nothing wrong with it at all. Why must people be tied down by blood when they did not choose to fall in love with a relative. It's not like they went looking for 'trouble'. If you live by following all 'rules', 'morals', or by what is considered 'right' or 'wrong' in society one cannot be happy. If I were to follow them, life would be 'awesome' ne?
In Biblical times, it was encouraged to marry your brother, sister, cousin etc.. to increase population that was very small at the time, or to keep the power of a country/thrown within the family without including anyone else. Supposedly 'God' encouraged it as well. (IF you want to add religion to the mix) So this way of society looking on incest is a modern new "moral". Morals depends on person in question AND times we live on.
--- Quote from: Enzedder on October 08, 2010, 12:51:00 PM ---I stand by Shakespeare's little statement on this one... "Nothing is either good nor bad, but thinking makes it so." Of course it has its limits but it just pushes the idea of acceptance to me.
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I stand by that as well.
--- Quote from: Garret02 on October 08, 2010, 02:27:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: flyawave on October 08, 2010, 02:10:32 PM ---Are you an animal... no
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Yes, we are. Humans (as much as they hate to admit it) by the laws of this world, biology and nature are animals. So the only way you are any better than the rest of the animals is because we theoreticaly conquered them and their territories. I personally think of us, humans as the worst, lowest kinds of monsters and that we should go extinct in some horrible way. You may think that we are some greater beings than some stupid animals. But the fact remains, we are animals.
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We have something in common. I also "think of us, humans as the worst, lowest kinds of monsters and that we should go extinct in some horrible way.
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