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Incest
JoonasTo:
One link doesn't mean anything, it's the series of links over many generations that do. Like Europe's rulers' history.
The actual risk differs with populations. I think second cousins in Finnland are already at the same level as any other couple of two Finns. I imagine that in the big cities of U.S.A. there is a lot more variation so to say even fifth cousins will still have bigger risk of transmitting genetic diseases than some random couple.
You know it mostly doesn't happen because normally people don't feel sexually interested in a person whom they've grown up with.
So the cases where it does happen are in some way special. Father/daughter who hadn't even met each other. Siblings who've lived away from each other, etc.
Or the darker side that is in the news at times. A snapped father, sick mother, frustrated brother, etc. That's why the laws are there at all I believe.
I don't count cousins, cousins are legal in most of the countries anyways.
Just a random fact, Belgium has no laws regarding incest. Make out of that what you will.
Kiss X Sis isn't incest in the real sense of the word. They aren't related outside of paper.
I think why it's so usual in anime and manga is just because the writers are all only childs playing out their fantasies.
Plus it's forbidden, everything forbidden makes people take notice.
If both are in full sense and health I don't see any reason to bother them. They shouldn't care about what others think, if it's what makes them happy. Fuck society!
Society allows two men to go hanky panky what basis does it have to not allowing two people related by blood to do that?
erious:
Incest is pretty cool in fiction.
Especially in romantic stories.
I have an older sister that I'm completely not attracted to. Other then social stigma and her not being my type in the slightest, there's one more thing that makes it impossible - I know her too well. All the good things, all the bad things, all the ugly things. And she knows me just as well. We get along pretty good(as much as is possible in a family as dysfunctional as ours), but when you know someone that good, and knew them most of their life, it's very hard to get past all the accumulated little flaws and grudges.
So if there are siblings who know each other that well, and still fall in love romantically, it signifies that their love is really strong. It's not going to one day just vanish because they learned the other isn't as perfect as they thought, as is possible with normal couples.
It's also interesting in porn, taboo's always are - and the romance bit can be applied here as well.
In real life... I agree that the social stigma is somewhat necessary, however as long as you don't produce offspring, I don't personally see anything wrong with it. Of course, there are many things that can possibly go wrong with such a relationship - but they aren't by any means exclusive or inherent to incestuous relationships. I have a bit of a problem with parent-child incest, though - other than some very specific situations(well, I guess situations in which incestuous relationships might develop are already specific, but even more than that), I can't see the parent entering such a relationship as anything but selfish and unconcerned about his child's happiness.
And of course, there's nothing wrong with homosexual incest - it's easy to tell whether someone is homophobic and prejudiced without thinking things trough on his own, just ask him whether he considers incest between two sisters or two brothers as bad as between brother and sister.
ludwigrm:
I think that incest in real world is something we shoudn't morally accept, first and foremost to protect the people who make incest. it's not only a social matter, it has do with istinct.
everyone feels instinctively repulsion toward parents/sibling under that point of view and when that does not happen and there is a sexual intercourse between very close relatives, then istinct makes other people say: "no. stay in line".
I also think that when someone feels attracted to, for istance, his sister, it does not mean that he his different from "normal" people, it only means that he is child-like, immature: those kind of people are probably afraid of the world and subconsciously think to the their sister as the woman they can have without going outside of the house. I think they like their sister because she is the only woman they think they can have. it happens to most children with siblings but it is something subconscious and usually disappears when they grow up. I heard of teenegers feeling attracted to sisters/brothers, they are probably just a bit immature.
Maybe there are exeptions, siblings who really really love each other without being mentally disturbed or just immature, but I don't know.
that being said, I'm for absolute freedom.... if two adults feel that need, although they're close relatives, then... well, do as you want, but it is morally wrong, it goes against nature.
Enzedder:
I stand by Shakespeare's little statement on this one... "Nothing is either good nor bad, but thinking makes it so." Of course it has its limits but it just pushes the idea of acceptance to me.
I understand why its frowned upon and I am not a great supporter of it but I am not going to shove it down someone's throat or tell them that they can't do it just because of that. If someone feels that way then let them. If its a mutual acceptance of each others feelings/desires then fine. If its a one-sided though... then no.
DLTE:
Parents = no
siblings = no
cousins = a little? one of my cousin is really hot. only chance to see her is once a year and haven't saw her for 5years already
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