DOTA 2

[EmptyMemory]

I'm willing to sell one for $7 or you can head over to steamtrades and get one for the same price if you dont trust me.

EDIT: Anyone who can have a laugh and is good at the game, wana play a few pubs (and possibly scrims if you have competitive experience) with me and some other lads from the UK? Also we play DayZ when we get bored of Dota, and you're welcome to join us on that (we have NVGs and high tier gear).

I would, but UK is sooo far from me. :[

[BronBron06]

DOTA2 will be officially free,

It's been like 3 years I kept my hands off this drug

Oh man so tempting with new graphics 

[Roven]

Well, it's about fucking time I get my invite.
Getting used to the interface and controls is a bit hard but I think I'm getting the hang of it.

[xShadow]

I got in a week or two (or three) ago, but I haven't done anything on it yet. From what I remember the DoTA community is utter shit, and I'm not terribly confident in my abilities. I don't think I was ever that good at the game when I did play.

I might give it a try now that I'm utterly disgustedly sick of LoL though.

[EmptyMemory]

I got in a week or two (or three) ago, but I haven't done anything on it yet. From what I remember the DoTA community is utter shit, and I'm not terribly confident in my abilities. I don't think I was ever that good at the game when I did play.

I might give it a try now that I'm utterly disgustedly sick of LoL though.

Haha. The problem is that DotA is a team game, so it's only natural for people to get pissed off when the random allies they get paired with suck. I'm sure you've experienced the same thing in LoL.

Solution: play with friends.

[xShadow]

Solution: play with friends.

I don't really have any friends that play DOTA. All of them have moved to LoL. On the default chat channel it put me on, I was like

"Hey dudes, any tips for a newbie?"
"Yeah, uninstall."

At this point I'm like thinking "I see the community is still amazing. I'm already wondering if I wanna do this."

I also went. "Well, anyone wanna help coach me through a game or something?"

No response. I just said screw it, because I didn't feel like having to deal with a potential shoutfest.

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Yeah, I'm kind of wondering how this is going to take down LoL. LoL is already hard enough to get into without some friends to help out, and it's much easier than DoTA is. If a person that has played a decent amount of LoL and (at some point in the past) DoTA is hesitant to pick it up again out without any assistance (which there isn't any available, judging from the general community response), I don't know how this is gonna take off.

DoTA was fine when there was no competition available, but now you have a bunch of games taking off that do roughly the same thing it did, but with a slicker interface and more easy-to-get-into gameplay. None of the friends I used to play DoTA with are showing any signs of switching back, either. And mind you, many of them were pretty decent players at DoTA, so it's not a skills issue.

Also, I tried out a little private game with no one else in it, and I think the interface feels clunky, even when compared to the original DoTA (that's saying something. That's saying a lot.). Something's up with the camera on my 1920x1200 monitor, too. View size feels too small.

Haha. The problem is that DotA is a team game, so it's only natural for people to get pissed off when the random allies they get paired with suck. I'm sure you've experienced the same thing in LoL.

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I guess it is natural for some people. I actually don't really rage much at all. I do some counter-raging (recently I've started up George Carlin's famous "Blow it out your ass" as a response), but I generally never just start raging at someone for doing bad, unless I'm just in a really bad mood (that's not terribly often).

I absolutely hate ragers. If there's anyone I get pissed at in a game, it's them. They don't accomplish jack shit, except ruining team morale and pissing everyone else off, too! They're behaving like little kids throwing a tantrum. They're also usually the first to leave when they start doing bad, too. I really wish there was a way to get rid of them from all games permanently.

I don't care if a teammate does badly, as long as it looks like he's trying and he's not blaming others for his mistakes. Sure, losing's not fun, but too many people are way too damn focused on the end result.

Where's just having fun playing?

[GoGeTa006]

I moved from DotA to HoN when it came out, and I really liked the change, it felt a lot more "competitive" to some extent, the entire gameplay was faster, somehow, even though the timings for pulls/stacks were exactly the same.

I tried LoL, and I just hated it, starting with the animation, then the in-game-pay-and-get-perks thing, just killed the competitiveness, then no denies?. . .I mean how simple can this get? . . .so I played once or twice and then just uninstalled. . . and sticked to HoN.

Then HoN started to fuck up by releasing S2-based heros every other week, super broken, super OP, and they all had the same basics:
- Spam all your skills = kill oponent, there was no real gimmick to each hero. . .they were just the same thing. . .and then the spells that do 5 things or shit like that. . .

then I finally got my DotA 2 account and I was skeptical at first, as you mentioned the GUI seems very different, the camera seems odd, everything seems weird (but I had the same opinion when I switched to HoN and when I played LoL)

so, bottom line:
- you have to get used to it.

[Roven]

Lately HoN feels like the Mortal Kombat version of Dota. Unoriginal and doesn't take it self seriously. (seriously? a mecha?)

[xShadow]

@Gogeta
I wouldn't say it's "different". More like just worse. Few improvements here and there but... I don't think shiny=better.

That being said, you're not really addressing a majority of what I said. I can deal with the camera and whatnot. >_>

I tried LoL, and I just hated it, starting with the animation, then the in-game-pay-and-get-perks thing, just killed the competitiveness, then no denies?. . .I mean how simple can this get? . . .so I played once or twice and then just uninstalled. . . and sticked to HoN.

Also, I'm not really trying to argue for LoL here (sick of it myself), but I want to get your facts straight:
LoL doesn't have any real pay to win. There's just things to save time. There is literally nothing in the shop that just outright gives you an advantage in the game. If there is something like that, it would be runes. You can't buy those with RP, either. You can buy extra pages to hold more sets of runes with RP though (you can buy them with IP too). Also, in place of denies is the more simple goal of zoning your opponent or beating him in lane. It's different.

What I'm getting sick of are the limitations of the way the game is set up. Not denying or anything. I'm fine with that not being there. More like at some point I just kind of realized every hero is basically a combination of old heroes, and that there really wasn't much variety in item builds. You use the same goddamned things, and maybe add in a few to counter specific heroes on the enemy team. The champs are even worse. You have many that aren't useful as anything but counterpicks (very specific ones). Realistically, a lot of champs are just worse than others; somewhere around 25-50% (max) of the cast is actually used with any frequency. The problem is exacerbated by Riot's balance handling, which tries to just make everyone about equal in terms of what they can do in any given game.

In DoTA it felt like there was just some really crazy insane stuff that each hero could do, which made it a pretty varied experience. Perhaps I may just be overstating the difference though. Compared to LoL, I haven't played nearly as much DoTA, so who knows? Maybe if I was competent at DoTA I would realize it devolves to the same thing at some level. I wouldn't know.

[Myrmidon]

Maybe if I was competent at DoTA I would realize it devolves to the same thing at some level. I wouldn't know.

In all my scrims, only the same ~20 heroes are considered viable and will be picked or banned. Pretty sure this happens in nearly every MOBA too.

Also there will be ingame coaching like in TF2 to help newbies and the inexperienced.

[douglife]

http://www.playdota.com/guides/welcome-to-dota-you-suck/

[metro.]

http://www.playdota.com/guides/welcome-to-dota-you-suck/

DoTA 2 has probably the worst community in the gaming world.

[Havoc10K]

It always had, the high and mighty asshats. Very similar to WoW elitists. Same asshats.

[EmptyMemory]

Haha. The problem is that DotA is a team game, so it's only natural for people to get pissed off when the random allies they get paired with suck. I'm sure you've experienced the same thing in LoL.

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I guess it is natural for some people. I actually don't really rage much at all. I do some counter-raging (recently I've started up George Carlin's famous "Blow it out your ass" as a response), but I generally never just start raging at someone for doing bad, unless I'm just in a really bad mood (that's not terribly often).

I absolutely hate ragers. If there's anyone I get pissed at in a game, it's them. They don't accomplish jack shit, except ruining team morale and pissing everyone else off, too! They're behaving like little kids throwing a tantrum. They're also usually the first to leave when they start doing bad, too. I really wish there was a way to get rid of them from all games permanently.

I don't care if a teammate does badly, as long as it looks like he's trying and he's not blaming others for his mistakes. Sure, losing's not fun, but too many people are way too damn focused on the end result.

Where's just having fun playing?

Eh. I know where you're coming from. To be honest, I'm not one of the ragers, nor do I put people down when they suck. I mean,  yeah, I do get irritated when I get placed with a crummy teammate, because I'm spending ~30min on a game that I'm destined to lose because of the teammate I'm with. But yeah, Dota's community is kind of shitty when it comes to dealing with new people. IceFrog needs to throw add in lobbies that support people who are completely new to Dota, so that new people can try the game out without being made to feel like an ass.

If you haven't given up on Dota yet, msg me on rizon @ #bbtgenchicha. I can coach you through the basics if you want.

Maybe if I was competent at DoTA I would realize it devolves to the same thing at some level. I wouldn't know.

In all my scrims, only the same ~20 heroes are considered viable and will be picked or banned. Pretty sure this happens in nearly every MOBA too.

Yeah, but the trends change as heroes/items get nerfed, buffed, and as heroes and items get released. It's not like those same ~20 will be there forever.

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Although, Windrunner really needs a nerf.

Also, there's still an extreme advantage to be had when a team can play heroes that are outside those ~20. If they're good enough, it will earn them a respect ban for that hero.

[GoGeTa006]

Also, there's still an extreme advantage to be had when a team can play heroes that are outside those ~20. If they're good enough, it will earn them a respect ban for that hero.

cant remember team/player but in HoN, there was this one guy that if he had Valkyrie (Mirana) . . .it was GG. regardless of regularly banned heros, if that player was there (competitive HoN), Valkyrie had to be banned .


but yeah, TBH I wouldnt really lock it on ~20 heros, thats the beauty of DOTA2, as you mentioned it changes with time, I remember there was a time when Enigma was rarely used, then it became so popular, game changing, then it passed then it came back again. . .

I mean its about the team Synergy more than the actual heros. . .

[xShadow]

If you haven't given up on Dota yet, msg me on rizon @ #bbtgenchicha. I can coach you through the basics if you want.

Sorry I've been busy lately.

Well, the thing is, I'm slowly realizing that I'm not really needing the "basics" (at least the very basic ones). Like I said, I did play DoTA for a while... it's just that that was 3-4 years ago. When I stopped, I was playing LoL for a long time instead. The simple basics, I mostly already know. The biggest problem I have is with last hitting I'm really bad with how much tighter the timing is in this one. And also, I don't know how to deny my own minions in this. I tried doing A+click, but that didn't work. Also, I totally don't know how much damage some of the skills do, and what skills some of the lane opponents have. So I'm caught off guard sometimes.

I decided to bite the bullet and try out two games.

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The first one I played with my friend, I was using Drow Ranger. We were actually doing alright in the laning phase and managed to kill them a few times (despite the fact that I couldn't figure out how to toggle my Q so I had to just press Q and shoot every time I wanted to use it...), but then we started getting ganked by other lanes, where our teammates were getting owned. Getting turret dived by a fed Ax is not fun. Then I also slowly figured out that our entire team was ranged AD carries. We literally had no tank or utility (aside from Dazzle, who couldn't use his skills right... at least imo; I remember playing him well a long time ago), and all of us exploded nearly instantly. I came out of that with a shoddy score of 2/12/13. Most people on the team really didn't do much better. Our Luna (or whatever) complained about how I shouldn't use a hard carry when I'm learning the game, but she honestly did worse than me in gold/min anyway, so I thought that was silly.

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Next game I played by myself with Dark Seer (I think it was random draft). To be honest, I like Dark Seer. I also wasn't playing a carry role, so no one could complain. I had 4/4/20 at the end. I love the way he can just gtfo using his E (or get anyone out using that). That speed boost is just so ridiculous. Sucking enemies towards our Naix when they tried to get away from him was also a lot of fun, was was speeding him up. Last hitting was also unnecessary, because I could just put W on a creep. Wham, whole lane pushed, and I get tons of gold.

So I'm at 1 win, 1 loss so far. Might play a bit more today.

[Chiyachan]

If people want to play for FUN, then feel free to add me. I play quite often against bots with my girlfriend. But always willing to have others join us.

[Havoc10K]

Chiya, you can add me and invite me on weekends for fun.
I don't like being competitive, but as long as it's just for fun, I'm willing to spare my time from Recettear or Warhammer for some friendly funny DOTA2

[GoGeTa006]

Hilarious! some guy's first game of DOTA2

[shabutie]

If people want to play for FUN, then feel free to add me. I play quite often against bots with my girlfriend. But always willing to have others join us.

But how do I add you!