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Offline datora

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science fiction stories that would ROCK as an anime
« on: October 21, 2010, 05:52:35 AM »
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One recent topic I posted in:

> Recommendations, Suggestions & Identification > Looking for Anime dealing with far future galactic civilizations

And another from a few months back:

> General Discussions > What is the first book that you read?

got me to revisiting an old fantasy of mine that I've entertained for many, many years now.

Imagine that you had enough money to fund your own anime project(s).  Millions in your budget, you can pitch your project to any anime house you wish, the best artists from all over the world, try to hire the best soundtrack artists, licensing from the original author not an issue, you don't care if the anime is successful so long as it turns out the way you like it, can be done as a movie or series, etc.

What are your favorite hard science fiction stories that you would love to see turned into an anime ..?  Not interested in zombies or horror (although Alien or Predator might be fair game).  But, maybe focus on stuff with really unique story elements that are pretty uncommon in anime, or even Hollywood movies.

The story does not have to be a novel.  It can be a short, or a graphic novel/comic/webcomic, or a movie version you prefer over a written version, etc.  Even a video game (Halo comes to mind).


I could list 100 or more.  I'll skip over some obvious big titles (Dune, Brave New World, 1984, Blade Runner, The 5th Element, etc.) in favor of lessor known works that haven't been brought to the screen yet.

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Soundtrack:

I'd want to start with the artists that created the soundtracks for NOIR, Vexille, Fairy Tail, Cowboy Bebop, Earth Girl Arjuna.  In particular I'd want Yoko Kanno and the Seatbelts.  All incredible soundtracks, and I'd certainly add to the list .. but this would be a Good Start.

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Animation style:

I'd want to go with a more serious and semi-realistic style like in Ghost in the Shell, Wings of Honneamise, Wonderful Days, Paprika, Time of Eve, Pale Cocoon, Technotise, Mushishi, Texhnolyze etc.

The extra CGI in Ghost in the Shell 2.0 left me slightly cold, although it has potential if used properly.  Time of Eve & Technotise actually go a bit too far in some ways, but are still excellent possibilities.  Appleseed and Oblivion Island, for examples, just come off as a bit creepy, at least for what I want to do here.  Something that definitely has a cell animation feel, but with deep, rich detail.

I love the classic anime features, but want them toned down a bit ... eyes should come closer to normal size rather than giant dinner plates, breasts should be realistic, faces have a bit more detail than less, and fuck the insane hair styles that never change no matter how wet or sweaty a character gets.  Definitely want a solid touch of realism, including a ban on superdeformed and slapstick comedy.

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The stories:

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My top three start with David Brin's Uplift Universe.  If you've not read them, I suggest starting with either The Uplift War or Startide Rising.  They're the most digestible and, if you like them, there are half a dozen more titles to fill it out, some better than others (the Heaven's Reach trilogy in particular).

What I'd want to accomplish with these is to create a universe of characters that are, in large part, aliens with in-depth insight into alien culture & thinking.  I think that most sci fi anime does not do a very good job of depicting a wide variety of alien designs (bodies & technology) and cultures.  Ideally, I'd want to create an anime of at least 52 episodes plus half a dozen or so OVAs that tell the combined stories of The Uplift War and Startide Rising in parallel.

It's a big project, so it might even have to be expanded to 78 episodes to really take the time and tell it in full.  Each episode would focus on one of the stories, but switch over to the other for the last five minutes as a lead-in to the next episode and keep alternating.

As a bonus, there is an entire unwritten story that is implied in these books.  One of the human-colonized worlds being assaulted & held hostage is a water/ocean world where dolphins are being uplifted into sentience.  The majority culture on that planet is supposed to be Asian, and Japanese in particular.  I'd love to get part of that story included since some really juicy ideas are hinted at but never really discussed in these other two books.


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The next I'd like to take on would be at least one Frank Herbert story, and there are several to choose from that I think would be even better than the Dune universe.  The two that would be at the top of my cut are The Jesus Incident (written with Bill Ransom) and The Dosadi Experiment.  Both are heavily weird, hard-hitting and highly cerebral works.  Either of these could be a stand-alone series of maybe 26 or 48 episodes, but each is also the second book in their respective universes.  The others are not as good, but do have some critical points to make, so there's room to expand.

Beyond those, Herbert had a half-dozen more that would be mind-blowing anime.  The Dragon in the Sea (alt title Under Pressure), Soul Catcher, and The God makers would all be on my "to do" list.  Soul Catcher in particular would be really amazing, maybe a short 26 or 36 episode story, much more mystical and non-science fiction than any other title I've listed, mainly because I'm sneaking a plug in for one amazing story by an amazing author that doesn't fit into most categories easily.


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Then another author with an incredible list of top-level sci fi: C. J. CherryhHer bibliography is overwhelming with potential titles.

For a huge, epic series that would also go about 52 or 78 episodes, the entire House Chanur series of five novels.  The first book is fairly short and might be done in 3 OVAs (or so).  It's followed by three books originally intended to be one long story, and it would be maybe a 48 or 52 episode series.  Following that is a longish, separate story that revisits some well-loved friends from the previous stories while adding some fantastic insight into the several alien cultures of this universe.

Fundamentally, these are action-packed, humorous and have great aliens, including a take on cat women that are anything but neko-chan fluffies.  You'd lose your ears to one of them in a heartbeat if you even had the thought ... they are some bad-ass, tough-chick spacer girls.  ;)

Beyond those, C. J. Cherryh has quite a number of obscure titles that really just need to see the light of day.  For anime adaptations, I think that Voyager in Night would make a stunning movie, something ground-breaking on the level of Ghost in the Shell.

But, her Era of Rapprochement novels (which are all great) include two gems in particular: Serpent's Reach and Cyteen.  This entire series would be nearly impossible to adapt to any movie format, anime included.  But, the sheer challenge of trying would yield some pretty amazing stuff.


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I give honorable mention to Larry Niven, whose entire Known Space universe is a rollicking joyride of fun and brain candy.  There is, of course, the Ringworld, which would be really amazing, especially if The Ringworld Engineers was included.  But, to go a bit non-mainstream, I have a particular love for Protector, several of his related short stories on Protectors and the Ringworld (especially Pierson's Puppeteers, FTW), and The Mote in God's Eye (written with Jerry Pournelle).

The Flying Sorcerers (written with David Gerrold) is a pretty hysterical novel filled with inside sci fi community jokes & bad puns.  There's a whole series of stories in his The Magic Goes Away universe, which would make an amazing series of (10 or 12?) OVAs on a sort of alternate / deep pre-history of our world.  Also humorous, but filled with cautionary tales on resource depletion.



OKay, so I could go on for about another 100 pages on this topic, but these are my offerings.  It's actually a bit of a sleazy way to see what recommendations anyone else might put forward for some exciting, hard core science fiction.

All of these stories are pretty essential reading to a serious science fiction fan, but these are the ones I'd love to be able to turn into top-quality anime.

Y'know ... if I should win the $200,000,000 lottery in my lifetime or something like.
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Re: science fiction stories that would ROCK as an anime
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2010, 12:46:43 PM »
I've read all of those except for Frank Herbert's stuff.  I've just got way too much other good stuff on my reading shelf.

I kinda preferred Niven's "Integral Trees" and "The Smoke Ring" over Ringworld, at least for fun action and adventure.

C.J.Cherryh's Faded Sun trilogy would be awesome as an anime.  The Mri would be very interesting.

Alan Dean Foster's works, mainly the Pip & Flinx novels and The Commonwealth stories would work very well, being very action oriented and not so cerebral.

Roger Zelazny's Amber Chronicals could be awesome as anime, depending on how imaginative the animators were to depict hell-riding and the infinite series of parallel realms.

Leo Saker's "The Leaves of October" could be an emotional rollercoaster kind of anime, very suspenseful at times.

C.J.Cherryh's Rusulka series would also be pretty cool, and very weird, as a moody, mystical anime.

Janet Kagan's Hellspark would be interesting and hilarious is treated well as an anime.

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Re: science fiction stories that would ROCK as an anime
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2010, 02:08:04 PM »
Uhhh, this is shocking... neither of you mentioned two of the greatest sci-fi novels to date?



Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow. Nuff said.

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Re: science fiction stories that would ROCK as an anime
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2010, 02:18:07 PM »
Omg, ender's game was sooooooooooo depressing. it was a bunch of smartass kids being all emo,and somehow it's the greatest sci-fi novel evar :-\

personally "24 views of Mt Fuji By Hokusai" by Roger Zelazny (book i satrted reading yesterday) would kill it as an anime...
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Re: science fiction stories that would ROCK as an anime
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2010, 02:34:39 PM »
1. Character Design - Yoshitoshi ABe (Welcome to the NHK, Lain, Texhnolyze)  I agree with datora in the animation style.
2. Background and Scene Art - Tsutomu Nihei (Blame!, Biomega, NOiSE)
3. Cover Art - Yoshitaka Amano (Final Fantasy, Vampire Hunter D)
4. Soundtrack - Yasunori Mitsuda (Chrono Cross)
5. Original Story - The Assassination Bureau Ltd. by Jack London. (The plot follows Ivan Dragomiloff, who, in a twist of fate, finds himself pitted against the secret assassination agency he founded.)
6. I would like Masamune Shirow of Ghost in the Shell to write it.
 



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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2010, 02:42:25 PM »
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Re: science fiction stories that would ROCK as an anime
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2010, 05:14:29 PM »
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Uhhh, this is shocking... neither of you mentioned two of the greatest sci-fi novels to date?



Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow. Nuff said.

Awe ... c'mon, man.  I already wrote the post that killed Kenny!  I'll jump in with some more .. just wanted to see if other folks found this a cool topic to comment in.

Love me lots of Alan Dean Foster.  The Unreasoning Mask would make a mind blowing movie, the entire World of Tiers and Riverworld sets of novels are chock-full of action and other fun.  I started out reaching for some real cerebral and obscure stuff.  Had anime like Technotise and Ghost in the Shell, or the original Russian movie version of Solyaris by Tarkovsky (sort of makes 2001: A Space Odyssey look like an action flick) in mind.

+1 on Zelazny, Integral Trees, and Faded Sun (also add Wave Without a Shore).

Orson Scott Card is a very worthy author for potential anime.  Of course Ender's Game would be amazing; I felt the second novel was a poor follow-up, but the third (Xenophobia, I think ..?) was quite worthy.  I stopped reading a lot of books about the time that was published, so never followed up on the ones after that.

Also note that my lists will, therefore, be heavily weighted toward older sci fi from that era and before.  Just don't have much time for it these days, and my eyes are so shit now that reading paperback novels has become a chore.

Cool mention of Jack London (like, THE Jack London of the turn of the century?).  Because, it makes me wanna make a steampunkish thread like this and talk all about Jules Verne and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle ...  :D ;)

But, staying with more obscure sci fi, one of my favs is The Overman Culture by Edmund Cooper.  Sort of a Logan's Run style story.  And, Logan's Run, of course, could be a stunning anime ...
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2010, 07:31:21 PM »
Uhhh, this is shocking... neither of you mentioned two of the greatest sci-fi novels to date?

Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow. Nuff said.

Actually, I can see the other three in both series' making better anime, particularly the "Shadow" series. Sort of an "Epic Sci-Fi Black Lagoon." I know they were once intending to make an Ender's Game film, and I was outraged at the idea. The dude from "Poseiden Adventure" was set to direct. It was gonna be turned into an Action film, until Card stepped in and told them where they could shove it. \o/

I'm actually reading "A Mote in God's Eye" and was thinking, this would make for a great mini-series. It's a story chronicling the first contact with an alien race, but I guess I envisage it as more of a "Guillermo Del Toro" type project, with a touch of Star Trek:TOS thrown in.
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2010, 08:25:02 PM »
all you need is KILL would be great, that is one of my favourite books of all time. 


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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2010, 07:01:13 PM »


Cool mention of Jack London (like, THE Jack London of the turn of the century?).  Because, it makes me wanna make a steampunkish thread like this and talk all about Jules Verne and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle ...  :D ;)

Yes that Jack London.  One of my favorite authors.  He didn't write much hard sci-fi but his book 'the iron heel' was later ripped off by '1984'.


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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2010, 08:19:50 PM »
Hard sci fi is the sci fi I dislike the most. ^^ Btw, how is Dune that?

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Hard science fiction is a category of science fiction characterized by an emphasis on scientific or technical detail,

So I would probably suggest other things:

Darkover series by Marion Zimmer Bradley. Science fiction with a magic system. A lot of great stories there since all books I've read are free standing.

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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2010, 06:58:15 AM »
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Hard sci fi is the sci fi I dislike the most. ^^ Btw, how is Dune that?

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Hard science fiction is a category of science fiction characterized by an emphasis on scientific or technical detail,

OKay ... I'll admit, given that particular definition, that I've probably misused the term ... slightly.  My intention was that the sci fi of greatest interest to me has usually been that which makes logical, scientific sense and is generally consistent with 1) our known science knowledge and 2) follows reasonable and logical paths of speculation based upon a "reality" oriented physical universe.  Queue up Time of Eve and Ghost in the Shell and Pale Cocoon for anime examples of what I had in mind.

The entire Dune cycle (original six novels) actually follows that nicely in nearly every way ... but also note that I bypassed Dune in favor of other stories.  But, the ability of human mind to see and affect space and time is still well within the realms of hard sci fi.  The Golden Path was merely the ability to expand the mind & spirit enough to grasp very complex chains of logic and cause & reaction and set them in motion to reach a specific target, including setting all of humanity on a path through extreme Chaos Theory that transcended the ability to trap itself within the limitations of such visions.

Herbert played a lot with the fragile and obscure line between human mind and being a god in quite a few of his stories, a couple of which I mentioned in my first post.  Becoming a god - in comparison to our current state of evolution and mind - is NOT a disqualification from hard sci fi.

Anyway, by "hard sci fi," I merely intended to focus (for myself) on novels that didn't just rely on numerous plot points of "then a miracle happened."

Anyone who wants to jump into this topic, by no means feel limited by preferences I stated for myself.  Recommend anything you think is a solid sci fi story and would make a great anime.  The more obscure the better.


Darkover series by Marion Zimmer Bradley. Science fiction with a magic system. A lot of great stories there since all books I've read are free standing.

I'm totally down with science fiction that uses some sort of a "reality-based" magic system in its universe.  Note my mention of the Niven Magic Goes Away stories ... a great example of that.

Barbara Hambly wrote two trilogies that I would be extremely excited to see turned into quality anime.  The Darwath Trilogy (and I would include the 4th book after that: Mother of Winter as a follow-up after-series) would make people shit themselves in fear if done right.  Heavily tech-combined-with-magic world, and an invincible, magic-using alien entity that dregs up some of the darkest primordial terrors out of the most frightening corners of the psyche.  I would be afraid to watch that anime alone in a dark room, and would probably have to keep the lights on for a month afterward.

I was really "meh!" on that 5th book, though.  It added in some interesting details on the world, especially its past history and likely immediate future, but I felt the story itself really fell short and rather abused a couple of my favorite characters from the previous books.

The Sun Wolf and Starhawk stories are also just as "hard" sci fi mixed with a universe where magic is just another field of scholarly & scientific study.  These would make a fantastic set of series' that are related only in that they use the same world & characters, but what a fantastic world she builds with them.  It's even consistent enough with the Darwath books that there could be a crossover between their universes (as well as Earth).

I've read most of her other books and don't feel they really match up to a movie/anime treatment, but the above stories are highly recommended as some action-packed entertainment.

Given all that, there are still numerous other projects I'd want to take on first ... but I'd certainly take on the Darwath books if I wanted to produce a horror-based series that still follows science & logic and includes magic that would give people nightmares.

I'm reserving the post for later, if this topic stays alive for a while ... but I will suggest some Andre Norton novels that would make the hard sci fi cut.  But, she also wrote some great stuff that crossed lines into mystical-ish themes, as well as quite a few outright magic & fantasy stories ... the Witchworld novels, for example, which I won't recommend here, but others may well prefer of her writings.
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Re: science fiction stories that would ROCK as an anime
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2010, 12:45:37 AM »
Larry Niven is one of my favorite SF authors, my dad had a large collection of his books and I grew up reading Ringworld and the Man-Kzin Wars books. Most of the books of his that I'd like to see made into a series have been mentioned, except for two. A World out of Time would be interesting as an OVA, and I'll always have a special spot in my heart for the stories of Gil the ARM and would love to see his "imaginary" arm depicted. He can't chop off limbs like Lucy, but he does kill a man by reaching into the guy's chest and squeezing his heart until it stops(HA!).

I know The Mote in God's Eye has already been mentioned, but Jerry Pournelle's larger Empire of Man universe that Mote and its sequel The Gripping Hand are set in would be just as fascinating. The rise of the CoDominium as man starts colonizing other planets, the collapse of the CoDominium and the formation of the First Empire of Man, then the rebellion of the Sauron Supermen(a genetically and cybernetically enhanced race) and the war that pulls the First Empire down. The discovery of aliens in The Mote in God's Eye happens amidst the rise of the Second Empire of Man and the consolidation of planets into it.

Let's see, what else...

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Isaac Asimov's Foundation series yet since it is something of a mainstay of the genre. The imminent collapse of a galaxy spanning human civilization and the titular foundation set up to safeguard knowledge and shorten the "dark ages" before the rise of another advanced civilization. It really is an epic series of books, and thinking about it like this makes me want to read it again.

And, just for the hell of it, I'd like to see some OVAs based on the Berserker stories by Fred Saberhagen. Massive killbots programmed to exterminate life. They were developed in a war between advanced races millennia ago as doomsday weapons and ended the war by killing both sides, then they went on to kill any living creature they came in contact with.