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Offline SilverDash

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Re: Diablo III [10.30.2011]
« Reply #260 on: February 22, 2012, 09:16:40 AM »
Lol yes this is getting more serious than a political debate  ???


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Re: Diablo III [10.30.2011]
« Reply #261 on: February 22, 2012, 09:35:20 AM »
Fanboys tend to get really worked up rather easily.  ::)
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Re: Diablo III [10.30.2011]
« Reply #262 on: February 22, 2012, 04:05:26 PM »
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In the name of God. I order you to stop talking about that shitty game.
What was wrong with Torchlight? It was a very fun game that ran on practically everything.

BTW. you might want to get out and breathe some fresh air, you're getting incredibly worked up over nothing.
I think you are right, which I just did a moment ago.
i don't need to prove anything because you just said it. choices are very limited and everyone will just use the best skills making online game with the same character classes pretty much identical and that is typical for games that receive very limited set of choices.
 
what is so bad about torchlight? its not perfect and its not hiding it but its made by exblizzard so maybe you overreact a little
Okay, to my understanding, your saying that, for example - a Barbarian player will more than likely have the same abilities as that other Barbarian player. Is that correct?

Did you think about situations your going to end up using a certain ability over the other? Did you think about how to manage your energy income vs. energy spending with runestones? I'm just talking literal theorycrafting, not mash-n-bash abilities together and -oh- this ability with this RS does a shit ton of damage. Sure there will be people like that, but that ability is definitely not the best when it comes down to playing tactics. Have you sat down and thought about these things, yet? Your post doesn't relate to this, dude. So your the smart one. Make me understand. This is how I think and how I plan to play. This is based on normal characters and hardcore characters.

Also, having few limited set abilities is based on how Blizzard designed the game.

Fanboys tend to get really worked up rather easily.  ::)
If that's the case, then I'm proud to be one ::)


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Re: Diablo III [10.30.2011]
« Reply #263 on: February 22, 2012, 05:09:58 PM »
Slapped my preorder down for Diablo III yesterday. If feasible, I will try to play the game as a gear grinder and sell all the best loot on the cash shop. If I can actually make MONEY off D3, even like $5-$10 a week... that would be cool. It's a game I hopefully will like to play!

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Re: Diablo III [10.30.2011]
« Reply #264 on: February 22, 2012, 05:38:05 PM »
i don't need to prove anything because you just said it. choices are very limited and everyone will just use the best skills making online game with the same character classes pretty much identical and that is typical for games that receive very limited set of choices.
Okay, to my understanding, your saying that, for example - a Barbarian player will more than likely have the same abilities as that other Barbarian player. Is that correct?

Did you think about situations your going to end up using a certain ability over the other? Did you think about how to manage your energy income vs. energy spending with runestones? I'm just talking literal theorycrafting, not mash-n-bash abilities together and -oh- this ability with this RS does a shit ton of damage. Sure there will be people like that, but that ability is definitely not the best when it comes down to playing tactics. Have you sat down and thought about these things, yet? Your post doesn't relate to this, dude. So your the smart one. Make me understand. This is how I think and how I plan to play. This is based on normal characters and hardcore characters.

Also, having few limited set abilities is based on how Blizzard designed the game.

So... you concede that every barbarian is going to be pretty much identical to every other barbarian, and every wizard to every other wizard, and so on for each class. Only what gear they've found will differ.

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Re: Diablo III [10.30.2011]
« Reply #265 on: February 22, 2012, 08:24:04 PM »
i don't need to prove anything because you just said it. choices are very limited and everyone will just use the best skills making online game with the same character classes pretty much identical and that is typical for games that receive very limited set of choices.
Okay, to my understanding, your saying that, for example - a Barbarian player will more than likely have the same abilities as that other Barbarian player. Is that correct?

Did you think about situations your going to end up using a certain ability over the other? Did you think about how to manage your energy income vs. energy spending with runestones? I'm just talking literal theorycrafting, not mash-n-bash abilities together and -oh- this ability with this RS does a shit ton of damage. Sure there will be people like that, but that ability is definitely not the best when it comes down to playing tactics. Have you sat down and thought about these things, yet? Your post doesn't relate to this, dude. So your the smart one. Make me understand. This is how I think and how I plan to play. This is based on normal characters and hardcore characters.

Also, having few limited set abilities is based on how Blizzard designed the game.

So... you concede that every barbarian is going to be pretty much identical to every other barbarian, and every wizard to every other wizard, and so on for each class. Only what gear they've found will differ.
That's my big worry.  Diablo 2 had so much playability because no character was the same as another, so if you REALLY love necros (like I did) you had your summon Necro, your Bone Necro, and your Poison necro. 

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Re: Diablo III [10.30.2011]
« Reply #266 on: February 23, 2012, 01:15:29 AM »
Did anyone see this on the Blizz forums?

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On a more serious note, I too worry that we won't be able to meet the expectations people have built up for themselves. Part of my job is managing people's expectations, so... eh... stop it. Stop thinking about how awesome this game could be. Just imagine it's a new M. Night Shyamalan movie. Sure Sixth Sense was amazing and Unbreakable had it's moments, but this right here is the sequel to The Village ... or The Happening ... or Signs ... or any of the movies besides the two I first mentioned. So just like, lower those expectations, but still definitely buy the game please, and everything will be just fine. K?

AKA... "Uhh, guys... don't expect this game to be as amazing as you though... kthxbye..."

That's some confidence that that community manager instilled in us about D3. That isn't the best thing to say... I thought SCII was amazing, but I know SC:BW will always be viewed through rosey colored eyes. The same will goes for Diablo II and LoD.... but that won't stop me from thinking D3 is a great game (only if it is though... and I actually have FUN playing it. Cause you know, I don't want to WORK when playing video games XD).

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Re: Diablo III [10.30.2011]
« Reply #267 on: February 23, 2012, 02:18:05 AM »
Or the community manager knows that unless their team literally made Diablo II with better graphics, they're going to disappoint the SOME of the community.

By doing anything new (and they're doing a LOT of new things), there will be people bitching that D3 is worse than D2.

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Re: Diablo III [10.30.2011]
« Reply #268 on: February 23, 2012, 02:34:44 AM »
Well, the game will be a big letdown, that much is clear. All the fans are SO tense and worked up, that no matter what will they make, it just won't be "it".
Much like Skyrim, except for people seem to be much more "dead serious" about DIII, for whatever reason.
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Re: Diablo III [10.30.2011]
« Reply #269 on: February 23, 2012, 02:37:46 AM »
Basically everything I've seen from D3 has been "Oh...so they changed that...well I guess Blizzard has never made a bad game before..."

If this were any other company I'd be pretty pessimistic about it.

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Re: Diablo III [10.30.2011]
« Reply #270 on: February 23, 2012, 02:42:00 AM »
Or the community manager knows that unless their team literally made Diablo II with better graphics, they're going to disappoint the SOME of the community.

By doing anything new (and they're doing a LOT of new things), there will be people bitching that D3 is worse than D2.

Doing the same thing over and over again is what CoD is... even as a Diablo II fan... I don't want to pay $50-$60 just for an updated graphics engine for D2. I want new things and that's why I think D3 will be promising. Will it be the be-all-end-all Diablo game? Is there even such a thing in a sequel?

I mean, he's the community manager. Supporting his game is his job and telling the fans that "this isn't what you are all expecting" isn't the best idea in the world. Then again, Community Managers at Bioware probably had to do the same thing with TOR. XD

As for the game being a complete letdown, that will all depend on how well it is received. If the majority of players STOP playing before level 20 or so, then maybe there is a problem (aka, it's boring/not entertaining enough to even finish 1/4th of the game).

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Re: Diablo III [10.30.2011]
« Reply #271 on: February 23, 2012, 02:42:45 AM »
i don't need to prove anything because you just said it. choices are very limited and everyone will just use the best skills making online game with the same character classes pretty much identical and that is typical for games that receive very limited set of choices.
Okay, to my understanding, your saying that, for example - a Barbarian player will more than likely have the same abilities as that other Barbarian player. Is that correct?

Did you think about situations your going to end up using a certain ability over the other? Did you think about how to manage your energy income vs. energy spending with runestones? I'm just talking literal theorycrafting, not mash-n-bash abilities together and -oh- this ability with this RS does a shit ton of damage. Sure there will be people like that, but that ability is definitely not the best when it comes down to playing tactics. Have you sat down and thought about these things, yet? Your post doesn't relate to this, dude. So your the smart one. Make me understand. This is how I think and how I plan to play. This is based on normal characters and hardcore characters.

Also, having few limited set abilities is based on how Blizzard designed the game.

So... you concede that every barbarian is going to be pretty much identical to every other barbarian, and every wizard to every other wizard, and so on for each class. Only what gear they've found will differ.
Because there is no Skill Tree? I doubt you and others are thinking the way we're thinking. I'll stand still on the fact that "no", players will choose different skills and RS to be a bit more unique than what you think. Gear is going to support your character's abilities/RS's. I'd like to see the Skill Trees back, but well ...

Did anyone see this on the Blizz forums?

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On a more serious note, I too worry that we won't be able to meet the expectations people have built up for themselves. Part of my job is managing people's expectations, so... eh... stop it. Stop thinking about how awesome this game could be. Just imagine it's a new M. Night Shyamalan movie. Sure Sixth Sense was amazing and Unbreakable had it's moments, but this right here is the sequel to The Village ... or The Happening ... or Signs ... or any of the movies besides the two I first mentioned. So just like, lower those expectations, but still definitely buy the game please, and everything will be just fine. K?

AKA... "Uhh, guys... don't expect this game to be as amazing as you though... kthxbye..."

That's some confidence that that community manager instilled in us about D3. That isn't the best thing to say... I thought SCII was amazing, but I know SC:BW will always be viewed through rosey colored eyes. The same will goes for Diablo II and LoD.... but that won't stop me from thinking D3 is a great game (only if it is though... and I actually have FUN playing it. Cause you know, I don't want to WORK when playing video games XD).
Diablo Forum CMs are stupid. I've seen one trying to answer questions, and he ended up saying at least "I don't know" about 1/3rd as his answers. You don't answer "I don't know" to customers. You skip the question, or you go get the answer. He had all the time to go ask those questions to the developers and post the answers, which he didn't do.

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Re: Diablo III [10.30.2011]
« Reply #272 on: February 23, 2012, 02:47:39 AM »
Basically everything I've seen from D3 has been "Oh...so they changed that...well I guess Blizzard has never made a bad game before..."

If this were any other company I'd be pretty pessimistic about it.

Well, I'm m very glad and sorry for you if you really like and trust Blizzard. "Blizzard has never made a bad game before..." Well... Like I said, I'm very glad for you... hehe...ehe...ehehe.

It's just many people forget that many of their games "owned" just because they appeared in time and place where they had almost no competition. Which is good, their marketing honestly rocks.
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Re: Diablo III [10.30.2011]
« Reply #273 on: February 23, 2012, 02:55:15 AM »
Basically everything I've seen from D3 has been "Oh...so they changed that...well I guess Blizzard has never made a bad game before..."

If this were any other company I'd be pretty pessimistic about it.

Well, I'm m very glad and sorry for you if you really like and trust Blizzard. "Blizzard has never made a bad game before..." Well... Like I said, I'm very glad for you... hehe...ehe...ehehe.

It's just many people forget that many of their games "owned" just because they appeared in time and place where they had almost no competition. Which is good, their marketing honestly rocks.
PC games don't need marketing.   8)

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Re: Diablo III [10.30.2011]
« Reply #274 on: February 23, 2012, 02:59:20 AM »
Basically everything I've seen from D3 has been "Oh...so they changed that...well I guess Blizzard has never made a bad game before..."

If this were any other company I'd be pretty pessimistic about it.

Well, I'm m very glad and sorry for you if you really like and trust Blizzard. "Blizzard has never made a bad game before..." Well... Like I said, I'm very glad for you... hehe...ehe...ehehe.

It's just many people forget that many of their games "owned" just because they appeared in time and place where they had almost no competition. Which is good, their marketing honestly rocks.
PC games don't need marketing.   8)
Were that true, Blizzard would be only independet developer of 2D RTS games and EA would be the top producer of hockey simulators today.
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Re: Diablo III [10.30.2011]
« Reply #275 on: February 23, 2012, 10:37:23 AM »
Did anyone see this on the Blizz forums?

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On a more serious note, I too worry that we won't be able to meet the expectations people have built up for themselves. Part of my job is managing people's expectations, so... eh... stop it. Stop thinking about how awesome this game could be. Just imagine it's a new M. Night Shyamalan movie. Sure Sixth Sense was amazing and Unbreakable had it's moments, but this right here is the sequel to The Village ... or The Happening ... or Signs ... or any of the movies besides the two I first mentioned. So just like, lower those expectations, but still definitely buy the game please, and everything will be just fine. K?

AKA... "Uhh, guys... don't expect this game to be as amazing as you though... kthxbye..."

That's some confidence that that community manager instilled in us about D3. That isn't the best thing to say... I thought SCII was amazing, but I know SC:BW will always be viewed through rosey colored eyes. The same will goes for Diablo II and LoD.... but that won't stop me from thinking D3 is a great game (only if it is though... and I actually have FUN playing it. Cause you know, I don't want to WORK when playing video games XD).
Actually, that's some guts if you ask me.

Confirming everything I said about it, 40 minutes of content in 7 hours, just how much of a grinder is this game going to be anyways ?

I'm not going to hold my breath because it's blatantly shown that Diablo 2 was far superior to what Diablo 3 will ever be.

I'm pretty amazed they even started the game development to be honest, I actually would have preferred if they simply made a few patches for Diablo 2 and make it work smoother on higher end computers (seriously I can barely play the old game, dunno why but it simply lags after a short while) and that would have made fans of the game so much more happy. Fix the Battlenet system in Diablo 2 so it would work with the "new" battle.net, and you would have been fairly successful anyways.

I still don't know why tatsu hates Torchlight so much, a game done before Diablo 3 developers shown anything, by people who left Blizzard because they didn't agree with their current policy. No matter how you look at Diablo 3, it looks like somewhat polished Torchlight. First videos I saw from Diablo 3 were kind of different, I seen that it would look different and more Diablo style, and new videos show that Blizzard is completing their "easy to click and play" policy from World of Warcraft, which is pretty annoying.

Starcraft 2 was hard to break and from the latest products that Blizzard made in the last few years (Blizzard abandoned Starcraft: Ghost for PS2 because they were too absorbed with Warcraft, and completely abandoning other projects and now they feel like doing something about it) Blizzard actually only learned :
-Make it easy cuz noobs will whine
-Make it hard by choice so noobs won't whine
-Simplify everything cuz noobs will whine
-remove any customization, or limit it to minimum cuz noobs will whine.

Basically, the only thing left to do in game to make it ANY simpler to menage your character is to remove all gear and just add generic weapons characters unlock as they progress.

Seriously, I loved Diablo, I had a lot of fun there, learning a lot of spells, killing a lot of mobs, having a complete freedom in what my character will be like. There were no character skills, there were spell books and class skills that were very few.

In Diablo 2 we were given a lot of freedom into how our class character becomes, Sorceress will have a chance to go all elements, or select various elements mastery like Lightning, Ice or Fire, a lot of awesome players with the same masteries and everyone was stronger than the other on the same level because all depended on a single skill point elsewhere making you stronger here but weaker there.

Every class was given SEVERAL gameplay styles, even in the same tree, you could be a fireball master and blast everything or anything else, there was so much to do there.

Diablo 3 ... I can do what ? I learn new spells as I grow higher level, add a rune to it, and that's it :/
Everything else depends on what weapon I hold, and how I manage mana so I can either fight quickly and kil lfast of take longer time to kill the same enemy but deal less damage and in so doing I spend less mana. Same outcome, everyone will go for fast kill and buy mana potions, unless the developers will completely remove that as well.

Whatever tatsu, defend your precious games all you want, it doesn't change the fact that Diablo 3 is no longer a Diablo game, just another generic game that will probably allow Blizzard to put a third title on consoles.

Cuz their earlier attempt failed, and they didn't even give an explanation to why they dropped Starcraft: Ghost.

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Re: Diablo III [10.30.2011]
« Reply #276 on: February 23, 2012, 02:04:33 PM »
Whoa, you pretty much said said what I though Havoc, I just didn't want to say it, after having similar rant aimed to GW2, hehe. This kind of thing usually evokes a bad response tho. People tend to defend the games which haven't been released.

Ah, brings back memories, when I said that Skyrim will be badly ported console action game with tons of bugs and epic world in the first half of last year, it almost caused armed conflict... But 12.11.11 ... So many people said the same thing and it was so "cool"  ;D
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Re: Diablo III [10.30.2011]
« Reply #277 on: February 24, 2012, 03:23:19 AM »
Whoa, you pretty much said said what I though Havoc, I just didn't want to say it, after having similar rant aimed to GW2, hehe. This kind of thing usually evokes a bad response tho. People tend to defend the games which haven't been released.

Ah, brings back memories, when I said that Skyrim will be badly ported console action game with tons of bugs and epic world in the first half of last year, it almost caused armed conflict... But 12.11.11 ... So many people said the same thing and it was so "cool"  ;D
ive had extremely high hopes for D3 as most of us have but those hopes have gradually been trampled upon as each large update blizzard made slowly shat down our throats. From making the game less dark and evil looking and more colorful to no more stats and skills to fiddle with.
Lets make it a grind fest and pain in the balls to play since we all know diablo 2 was all about playing through the game and not about pvp

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Re: Diablo III [10.30.2011]
« Reply #278 on: February 24, 2012, 03:50:14 AM »
Hey, if you think the game has been bastardized.... ummm... what game hasn't been just a little bit? I will say one of the best games (IMO, Civ V) was bastardized when they thought it would be a good idea to take religion out.

If you think Diablo 3 is being bastardized to the point of unbuyablity (I know it's not a word)... then don't buy it? I mean, I'm not all too sure Diablo 3 will even be good when not compared to D2, but it still looks like a fun action game! Will I lose days of sleep over the lack of customization or lack of tinkering? Probably not. Once again, if you think the game is too easy... then you are probably right! Turning up the difficulty isn't THAT hard (hint: you do it right at the beginning of each game character you select). If you think the streamlining aspects is what's ultimately ruining the game for you (aka: it's made for n00bs!), then you are probably right! Blizzard is smart as a company and they aren't going to cater to us hardcore fans of D2. That would be the most stupid business idea for them! Why? Because there are bigger populations of casual gamers that Blizzard is going to try to appeal to with D3.

So if you are going to be grumpy or spiteful about the release of the game that isn't how you intended... *world's smallest violin is playing* Guess what? It's happened to a lot of fans of a lot of games this day in age. I won't go on about how we got here, but just know that sequels are no longer about the hardcore fans and more about the maximizing profits. Will I still buy D3? I put a reserve down and if I'm still not liking it when it's about to be released, I'm not obligated to buy anything!

Anyways, I'm really sorry you feel that way about D3, Havoc. If it makes you feel any better... the people who will be playing it will be annoyed constantly by gold farmers. ;)

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Re: Diablo III [10.30.2011]
« Reply #279 on: February 24, 2012, 06:16:36 AM »
The gold farming is going to be real pest.

I don't know if that idea is actually positive, not to mention good.
The game could very well be free if they push that idea a little bit further.