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GOP Is In the House (Again)
« on: November 05, 2010, 01:32:26 PM »
So I wrote this up once and we had a couple comments in before the crash. GOP takes the house, has the most governors, and is closer in the Senate. What do you think will happen? I'll post after some comments to keep this OP as unbiased as possible. Blah blah blah.


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Re: GOP Is In the House (Again)
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2010, 11:41:44 AM »
and what is GOP?
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Re: GOP Is In the House (Again)
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2010, 12:17:53 PM »
and what is GOP?
GOP=Grand ole Party=Republicans

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Re: GOP Is In the House (Again)
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2010, 12:47:34 PM »
More bipartisanship.

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Re: GOP Is In the House (Again)
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2010, 01:02:46 AM »
They were slowing things down before, now what will they do. With the Senate in the hands of the Democrats and the House in the Republican's, and both are needed for a bill to pass, they won't get anything done.

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Re: GOP Is In the House (Again)
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2010, 01:39:21 AM »
They were slowing things down before, now what will they do. With the Senate in the hands of the Democrats and the House in the Republican's, and both are needed for a bill to pass, they won't get anything done.

That's pretty much it.

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Re: GOP Is In the House (Again)
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2010, 10:17:17 AM »
They were slowing things down before, now what will they do. With the Senate in the hands of the Democrats and the House in the Republican's, and both are needed for a bill to pass, they won't get anything done.

That's pretty much it.

Yeah, but the reps will no longer be able to blame it all on the dems and say that if they had a majority things would get done.

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Re: GOP Is In the House (Again)
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2010, 12:26:12 PM »
Yeah, but the reps will no longer be able to blame it all on the dems and say that if they had a majority things would get done.

Instead, the GOP will try to blame the upcoming 2 years of Congressional inactivity on the Obama administration, as part of their effort to recapture the Presidency in 2012.
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Re: GOP Is In the House (Again)
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2010, 09:32:00 PM »
Yeah, but the reps will no longer be able to blame it all on the dems and say that if they had a majority things would get done.

Instead, the GOP will try to blame the upcoming 2 years of Congressional inactivity on the Obama administration, as part of their effort to recapture the Presidency in 2012.

This.

And chances are that they'll succeed as well, considering that many people either only see the short-term results of Obama's efforts (regardless of whether or not he did the right thing) or have been brainwashed by Republican propaganda into hating Obama (if they didn't already do so). It worked for the Congress elections, after all.

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Re: GOP Is In the House (Again)
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2010, 10:27:22 PM »
Yeah, but the reps will no longer be able to blame it all on the dems and say that if they had a majority things would get done.

Instead, the GOP will try to blame the upcoming 2 years of Congressional inactivity on the Obama administration, as part of their effort to recapture the Presidency in 2012.

This.

And chances are that they'll succeed as well, considering that many people either only see the short-term results of Obama's efforts (regardless of whether or not he did the right thing) or have been brainwashed by Republican propaganda into hating Obama (if they didn't already do so). It worked for the Congress elections, after all.
i feel you dont gotta be a republican supporter to fucking hate obama. And you have to be at least somewhat blind to ignore the fact that he made very large blunders that have left this country in debt more so then it has ever been. Additionally while dragging us there he didnt accomplish very much "change" and didnt do all that much that will help people just burden everyone in the years to come

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Re: GOP Is In the House (Again)
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2010, 12:13:57 AM »
While it may be political gridlock, I think that may be cause for business to get off their collective asses and do something, like grow the economy stupid.

I think a lot depends upon if the lame duck congress, from now until January, either extends the tax cuts or allows them to expire. Should they lapse, I doubt business is going to do any hiring until it is absolutely necessary, and not a moment before.
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Re: GOP Is In the House (Again)
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2010, 04:14:02 AM »
You guys seem to think that the Republicans can now blame the Democrats successfully for congressional inactivity, but the reverse is true.

Now that the Republicans own one chamber of congress, they CANNOT make this claim.

The president can't pass legislation.  The only possible way for the Republicans to pull off what you guys seem to think they'll do is for the house to pass something and Obama to threaten to veto it.

Not likely.

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Re: GOP Is In the House (Again)
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2010, 09:49:42 AM »
Yeah, but the reps will no longer be able to blame it all on the dems and say that if they had a majority things would get done.

Instead, the GOP will try to blame the upcoming 2 years of Congressional inactivity on the Obama administration, as part of their effort to recapture the Presidency in 2012.

This.

And chances are that they'll succeed as well, considering that many people either only see the short-term results of Obama's efforts (regardless of whether or not he did the right thing) or have been brainwashed by Republican propaganda into hating Obama (if they didn't already do so). It worked for the Congress elections, after all.
i feel you dont gotta be a republican supporter to fucking hate obama. And you have to be at least somewhat blind to ignore the fact that he made very large blunders that have left this country in debt more so then it has ever been. Additionally while dragging us there he didnt accomplish very much "change" and didnt do all that much that will help people just burden everyone in the years to come

This proves that you don't know anything you're talking about.

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

Obama may have many desires he wish the country to take, but he's not the one who ultimately decides whether it happens or not, but Congress, and as long as the Republicans keep blocking his stuff, don't expect anything to change between now and 2012 – or anytime where the Republicans have a huge influence on presidential decisions.

And like I said, some things take very long to show effect. The economy has to climb out of a VERY deep pit. It's getting better, but for a lot of people, it's not fast enough and that is the whole problem why the Republicans came back from pretty much being outlawed two years prior.
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Re: GOP Is In the House (Again)
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2010, 10:35:31 AM »

You guys seem to think that the Republicans can now blame the Democrats successfully for congressional inactivity, but the reverse is true.

Now that the Republicans own one chamber of congress, they CANNOT make this claim.

The president can't pass legislation.  The only possible way for the Republicans to pull off what you guys seem to think they'll do is for the house to pass something and Obama to threaten to veto it.

Not likely.

A reasonable and logical person will believe this.  However, politics is neither reasonable nor logical, and a good portion of the American public is stupid.
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Re: GOP Is In the House (Again)
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2010, 04:31:42 PM »
Yeah, but the reps will no longer be able to blame it all on the dems and say that if they had a majority things would get done.

Instead, the GOP will try to blame the upcoming 2 years of Congressional inactivity on the Obama administration, as part of their effort to recapture the Presidency in 2012.

This.

And chances are that they'll succeed as well, considering that many people either only see the short-term results of Obama's efforts (regardless of whether or not he did the right thing) or have been brainwashed by Republican propaganda into hating Obama (if they didn't already do so). It worked for the Congress elections, after all.
i feel you dont gotta be a republican supporter to fucking hate obama. And you have to be at least somewhat blind to ignore the fact that he made very large blunders that have left this country in debt more so then it has ever been. Additionally while dragging us there he didnt accomplish very much "change" and didnt do all that much that will help people just burden everyone in the years to come

This proves that you don't know anything you're talking about.

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

Obama may have many desires he wish the country to take, but he's not the one who ultimately decides whether it happens or not, but Congress, and as long as the Republicans keep blocking his stuff, don't expect anything to change between now and 2012 – or anytime where the Republicans have a huge influence on presidential decisions.

And like I said, some things take very long to show effect. The economy has to climb out of a VERY deep pit. It's getting better, but for a lot of people, it's not fast enough and that is the whole problem why the Republicans came back from pretty much being outlawed two years prior.

Jesus do we have to do this politifact website again? It's run by one of the more-liberal newspapers in the country for Christ's sake! Have you read the gaping difference between how many of his "promises kept" are near duplicates and how the "promises broken" are combined together with the vast majority of his stuff "in the works" (which might as well say 'never gonna happen')? God, this must be the 13th time someone has brought up that website as though the Buddha was running it and it was fair and balanced.

Will the bailouts be the reason the economic ship is righted? We may never really know - however we do know that the money splurged to create jobs hasn't done that. Why? Because with every new bailout plan and fed printing operation they run in D.C. the stock market pauses for a moment. People are terrified to invest for the first time in nearly 100 years in America - not hesitant, terrified. Companies like mine are leery to hire anyone because we have no idea what the taxes are going to be in a year or two. These are simple things that a party with the Presidential seat and both houses of Congress should've had down pat before the reelections even took place. However, the Democrats were so afraid of losing their seats that they held off on tax votes. They were more concerned with their own well being than that of their constituents.

How typical of the modern era of politics in our nation and sad and pathetic it is. Thank God Pelosi is dwindling away - that woman couldn't lead a pack of ravenous dogs to a pile of meat with her skeletor looking plastic surgery. The bottom line is the Democrats has complete control of the Executive and Legislative branches (and depending on how you view the bias of the newer appointed Judges, the Judicial Branch as well) and did nothing except blame Bush for everything wrong in the world and praise Obama as the next coming of Christ. Meanwhile, the economy got worse and worse and they attempted to throw money at the problem and devalue the dollar. Now they're in a pit, a deeper pit than Bush ever got us to, and are finding that they won't maintain their 150k/year jobs when the cold truth hits their constituents, taxes have to be raised or programs have to be cut.

Programs like the healthcare bill that is a shell - a shell - of what it was meant to be. The highly touted game changer that never was. For 2 years the Democrats ran in place when they could have easily run the table if they understood the bare minimum of compromise on anything. Instead, they felt that the literal -D next to their names would mean they could prevent a fillibuster but failed to recognize the fiscally responsible Democrats in their own Congress that refused to help further the spending spree. Instead of the fantastic bi-partisan reach-across-the-isle Obama we expected, we have the most partisan nation we've seen in 120 years.

A couple years ago someone posted a picture of Abraham Lincoln with the subtitle "Inexperienced Illinois Senator" under it and I laughed. For the second time an inexperienced Illinois Senator has completely divided a nation. Granted, we aren't going to see another civil war out of this one - but the concept is still there. Democrat and Republican are at each other's throats more now than they have been in quite some time right after the screams of bipartisanship assisted in the election of the most polarized government we've seen in decades.

It's amazing how the effects Obama's administration will have on the economy will take a very long time - I've read anywhere from 10-20 years to see if it helped at all - but the critical Bush errors from his final 5 years or so are so gapingly apparent now. Now the lessening of restrictions on mortgage bankers and builders that occured under Clinton - it's entirely at the feet on Bush and his 2 wars and the deficit he created that was just 1/3 of that this administration posts every year with a loaded deck of cards. Nevermind the fact that in the WORST years of the Bush administration our deficit was never even $500b while fully funding 2 wars. Nevermind the fact that the first bill ever signed by Obama - his first real order of financial business - was a bloated Omnibus bill that was nearly as  expensive as any of the Bush deficits. Let's ignore the fact that we jumped - in one year under Obama - from a working deficit of ~$486b to ~$1.4t. Totally on Bush, there. Totally. In 8 years - 8 years - Bush increased the nation debt by ~$4t and Obama has nearly done that in 2.

Let's not let the facts get in the way of your story. Let's keep on with this Democratic Congress that has passed by us being fiscally responsible and single-handedly saving America from itself DESPITE an overbearing GOP that - by the numbers - couldn't even hold a fillibuster without some Democrat support. It's a great story, I'd love to see how it ends.

**EDIT** Fact check'd myself and found an inconsistency. Fix'd.
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Re: GOP Is In the House (Again)
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2010, 07:28:43 PM »
i feel you dont gotta be a republican supporter to fucking hate obama.

Obama is a solid moderate. Any other time in our history, he would have made a great republican. So yeah, I believe in order to hate Obama, you have to be incredibly left, or right wing.

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Jesus do we have to do this politifact website again? It's run by one of the more-liberal newspapers in the country for Christ's sake!
Oh no! A liberal leaning newspaper! I guess that means all of the stuff they post is incorrect and should be ignored!

Find me one wrong claim they say is either fact or lies and prove it wrong. Just a single one. You won't be able to do it. Because politifacts is based on.. well, facts. 


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Programs like the healthcare bill that is a shell - a shell - of what it was meant to be. The highly touted game changer that never was.
You wrongly assume the bill can't be amended or added too in the future. The shell filled, as it were. The health care bill was a first step. We'll take more. The fact the dems got that to even pass is nothing short of a miracle.

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Now the lessening of restrictions on mortgage bankers and builders that occured under Clinton
A bill spearheaded by the GOP, you left that little bit out.

Also leaving out that the obama and the dems passed wallstreet regulation so they can't pull that crap again. Remember, republicans are for deregulation. Not the democrats.

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Re: GOP Is In the House (Again)
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2010, 07:59:38 PM »
i feel you dont gotta be a republican supporter to fucking hate obama.

Obama is a solid moderate. Any other time in our history, he would have made a great republican. So yeah, I believe in order to hate Obama, you have to be incredibly left, or right wing.

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Jesus do we have to do this politifact website again? It's run by one of the more-liberal newspapers in the country for Christ's sake!
Oh no! A liberal leaning newspaper! I guess that means all of the stuff they post is incorrect and should be ignored!

Find me one wrong claim they say is either fact or lies and prove it wrong. Just a single one. You won't be able to do it. Because politifacts is based on.. well, facts. 


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Programs like the healthcare bill that is a shell - a shell - of what it was meant to be. The highly touted game changer that never was.
You wrongly assume the bill can't be amended or added too in the future. The shell filled, as it were. The health care bill was a first step. We'll take more. The fact the dems got that to even pass is nothing short of a miracle.

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Now the lessening of restrictions on mortgage bankers and builders that occured under Clinton
A bill spearheaded by the GOP, you left that little bit out.

Also leaving out that the obama and the dems passed wallstreet regulation so they can't pull that crap again. Remember, republicans are for deregulation. Not the democrats.

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For whatever reason, your spoilers always turn up blank for me. I see, now, that it's an image link and a stupid one.

I left what out? The fact that none of that legislation that happened under Clinton was veto'd? I don't think I left that out... didn't have a super majority to overturn a veto? I guess I did, actually. Clinton had the power of the red pen and didn't use it. You can set up regulatory guidelines without it costing 2.698t dollars or whatever ridiculous amount the Dems would have it be. The mortgage crisis isn't at the hands of deregulated banks - it's at the hands of idiot Americans and idiot banks. The recovery ended up being at the hands of the government and there were regulations and regulatory bodies that, simply, didn't do their job to create the mess.

Same with BP, we learned later that they knew about the impending doom as they went through their regular checks, but did nothing. A bigger government with more people that are lazy and don't do their jobs solves nothing - except wasted money.

If you're going to quote me, quote all of me. I never said their facts were incorrect - I said they're inconsistent and they break up one thing into 3 creating more promises he's "kept" and combine broken to make less "broken". There's a major difference between being wrong and deliberately masking the truth.


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Re: GOP Is In the House (Again)
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2010, 12:04:48 AM »
i feel you dont gotta be a republican supporter to fucking hate obama.

Obama is a solid moderate. Any other time in our history, he would have made a great republican. So yeah, I believe in order to hate Obama, you have to be incredibly left, or right wing.

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Jesus do we have to do this politifact website again? It's run by one of the more-liberal newspapers in the country for Christ's sake!
Oh no! A liberal leaning newspaper! I guess that means all of the stuff they post is incorrect and should be ignored!

Find me one wrong claim they say is either fact or lies and prove it wrong. Just a single one. You won't be able to do it. Because politifacts is based on.. well, facts. 


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Programs like the healthcare bill that is a shell - a shell - of what it was meant to be. The highly touted game changer that never was.
You wrongly assume the bill can't be amended or added too in the future. The shell filled, as it were. The health care bill was a first step. We'll take more. The fact the dems got that to even pass is nothing short of a miracle.

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Now the lessening of restrictions on mortgage bankers and builders that occured under Clinton
A bill spearheaded by the GOP, you left that little bit out.

Also leaving out that the obama and the dems passed wallstreet regulation so they can't pull that crap again. Remember, republicans are for deregulation. Not the democrats.

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im not extremely left nor am i republican i am just not a big fan of large social programs im for fixing things the way they need to be fixed not throwing a multi billion dollar band aid on them.

So purely because of the amount of money obama has wasted im not a fan of him.

I dont give a shit about his views on most other bullshit we are still nearly a trillion dollars more in the hole then when he started. And im getting charged more money then before he was president for my benefits.

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Re: GOP Is In the House (Again)
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2010, 03:01:25 AM »
I can't wait to see my tax bill for this year in a couple of months. I know I am just going to love Obama's payroll tax cut, that I will then be paying for. Oh and better, I have heard nothing from the still Democrat lead congress (until January), about extending the (Bush)tax cuts. So yeah, I have tons to look forward to next year.
1. Tax hikes, unless congress acts now, the GOP will not override any Obama vetoes (sic?) next year. The economy goes into a tailspin, and Obama blames Bush er I mean the GOP, for proposing silly ideas. Hoping the economy stays bad until the next general election, when he's running to keep his job.
2. Paying a big chunk of my health insurance premiums, and since they are cadillac, that comes to about $400 per month, as a guess (@25%)
3. No pay raise to afford numbers 1&2.

How the hell I am going to make it, even with my job, I have no clue. I just assume I will. I also assume life is more or less going to suck, unless I win the lottery, yeah right I will.
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Re: GOP Is In the House (Again)
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2010, 12:41:37 PM »
Unless you're married and have kids that number is really high on a monthly premium even for the most premium of premium - especially if you work for a public university.

I fully expect the tax cuts to be extended - the question is for how many. Obama did what all politicians do, essentially called for cooperation with the people he just called the devil 2 weeks prior. He knows, now, that he has to be flexible and display the bipartisanship he called for when running for office. The biggest thing on the plate right now is the economy which is directly related to taxes which is directly related to all the big spending bills we've seen over the last couple of years. So, basically, you have the Republicans (newly elected and incumbent) wanting (publicly) to maintain tax levels and make budget cuts and the Democrats wanting to raise taxes on individuals over 100k and families over 200k (or so) and maintain their new budget programs. The Republicans don't have a super majority in the house or even a majority in the Senate and the Democrats hold the red pen, still.

What we have is a true standoff with everyone having at least a moment of hesitation. The Republicans won't want to pork up any bills over the next 2 years for fear of losing voters. Obama has to be cautious of what he vetoes as all eyes will be on him and how much he plays the party line. All of this results in either inaction or the best actions. I'm hoping the Democrats budge to Republican bills and maintain taxes at their current state while slashing excess in the budget. Run on the fact that you helped in the bipartisan movement and bettered the nation - not that you because the next party of no that you so heavily criticized.


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