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Offline tomoya-kun

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Re: near 1To downloaded in 2 months ?
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2010, 04:42:02 AM »
ahhh, apparently (at least according to the magnificent wikipedia): In France, French Canada and Romania, the word octet is used in common language instead of byte (in the 8-bit sense); a megabyte (MB) is called a megaoctet (Mo).

go figure...

As a Canadian, I can attest to that.  But it's uncommon, not like it's writen on boxes or anything. 


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Re: near 1To downloaded in 2 months ?
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2010, 05:01:42 AM »
Probably differs by region too, as I'm Canadian and never heard of that term used in the computing field. Or it's just more rare than "uncommon."

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Re: near 1To downloaded in 2 months ?
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2010, 10:02:10 AM »
Give KTorrent a try. It's a bit heavier than Deluge but I like the interface.

If you don't like it, take a look at the whitelist for more options.
I was using ktorrent before using deluge.
When ktorrent was trying to always use more than 20% of cpu, all of this only to open tcp/udp connection, do some hash check, timer, and writes on disk, I tried  deluge.

Yesterday, I used the list on the faq to choose a new one (transmission) ;)
Hopes this one is ok (the last tests seems to say so).


what or "Go"s and "To"s?
Giga/Tera oysters?

last time i checked network traffic was still calculated in bits and bytes.

maybe Giga/Tera Octets? But I haven't heard that naming for quite a while.
ahhh, apparently (at least according to the magnificent wikipedia): In France, French Canada and Romania, the word octet is used in common language instead of byte (in the 8-bit sense); a megabyte (MB) is called a megaoctet (Mo).

go figure...
Well, On one hand, an Octet is effectively a group of 8 bits , and is well used in French. As I'm french I used it automatically (I don't even think about using bytes).
On another hand, a byte defines only a group of bits, and some (old?) "bytes" could represent 9 bytes for example.
And the word octet also exists in english \o/.
And I found it's easier to use since when I write 1 Mb or 1mB -> if we respect the captialization of letters, the first would be 1 Mega bits, and the other 1 milli Byte ;). So in certain situation it could be complicated to know what the person is saying.
It seems also to be well used in RFC, to avoid misunderstanding.

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Re: near 1To downloaded in 2 months ?
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2010, 11:53:31 AM »
I was using ktorrent before using deluge.
When ktorrent was trying to always use more than 20% of cpu, all of this only to open tcp/udp connection, do some hash check, timer, and writes on disk, I tried  deluge.

Yesterday, I used the list on the faq to choose a new one (transmission) ;)
Hopes this one is ok (the last tests seems to say so).

There have been a few reports in the past about problems with Transmission. Hasn't happened recently, though, maybe a few months ago. Let's see how you turn out.
How long ago did you use KTorrent? I think updates that came with Ubuntu 10.04 fixed a lot of problems it was having.

Well, On one hand, an Octet is effectively a group of 8 bits , and is well used in French. As I'm french I used it automatically (I don't even think about using bytes).
On another hand, a byte defines only a group of bits, and some (old?) "bytes" could represent 9 [bits] for example.
And the word octet also exists in english \o/.
And I found it's easier to use since when I write 1 Mb or 1mB -> if we respect the captialization of letters, the first would be 1 Mega bits, and the other 1 milli Byte ;). So in certain situation it could be complicated to know what the person is saying.
It seems also to be well used in RFC, to avoid misunderstanding.

Dunno, the convention is b for bits and B for bytes, and it's quite common knowledge that a byte is 8 bits. Never heard of the 9 bit convention, which doesn't even make sense because the computing field uses powers of 2... Is that even a convention that exists or existed, or did you just make that up?
Saying "Mo" will get at least 80% of people wondering, and even if you say "octet" only a few more of them will figure out what you mean.

Also, "millibytes" also doesn't make sense with respect to physical space. You either have a bit or you don't. In other words, storage space in the computing world is technically discrete. This is why people usually associate mB as megabytes, regardless of letter casing of the M. Likewise, mb would be megabits, though some n00bs like to use mb for megabytes (which is probably your main point).
Anyway, main point of that was, most people who see "1mb" or "1mB" would assume megabits or megabytes, not milli, because it simply makes no sense the other way.

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Re: near 1To downloaded in 2 months ?
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2010, 01:12:01 PM »
There have been a few reports in the past about problems with Transmission. Hasn't happened recently, though, maybe a few months ago. Let's see how you turn out.
How long ago did you use KTorrent? I think updates that came with Ubuntu 10.04 fixed a lot of problems it was having.
More than 2 years. But i don't use ubuntu, and i want to stick with kde 3.5. So i must verify that the "new" ktorrent don't use kde4 library.

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Dunno, the convention is b for bits and B for bytes,
The convention ... in U.S.

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 and it's quite common knowledge that a byte is 8 bits. Never heard of the 9 bit convention, which doesn't even make sense because the computing field uses powers of 2... Is that even a convention that exists or existed, or did you just make that up?
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It's not a convention, it's a use.
In the beginning of computeur science There was plenty of type of processor, even some tri state soviets developped long ago.
Byte existed with 7,8,9 and other more exotic number of bits (see wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bytes
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Historically, a byte was the number of bits (typically 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 12, or 16) used to encode a single character of text in a computer[1][2] and it is for this reason the basic addressable element in many computer architectures. The size of a byte is typically hardware dependent, but the modern de facto standard is eight bits, as this is a convenient power of two.
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Saying "Mo" will get at least 80% of people wondering, and even if you say "octet" only a few more of them will figure out what you mean.
Of U.S. people. I'm not sure that other country forcibly use Bytes or doesn't know what an octet is.

And if i wand to be a strict scientific, I would even use Mi/Gi and not M/G ;)

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Also, "millibytes" also doesn't make sense with respect to physical space.
Yes, but I have already see a "mb" or a "mB" to speak about Mb, or MB.

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You either have a bit or you don't.
Well, in a quantical world, it's not so simple ;) So for "today" computer, yes. For "next tommorow", not so sure.
Ok it's really not what we speak here ;)

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In other words, storage space in the computing world is technically discrete. This is why people usually associate mB as megabytes, regardless of letter casing of the M. Likewise, mb would be megabits, though some n00bs like to use mb for megabytes (which is probably your main point).
Anyway, main point of that was, most people who see "1mb" or "1mB" would assume megabits or megabytes, not milli, because it simply makes no sense the other way.
Even if I could understand :
if I see 1 mB : how can i be sure that it must be read 1MB, and not 1Mb ? After all the person who wrote this could have done 2 error of capitalization.
And more important,
1 Mb <=> 1000 bits
1 MB <=> 1024 Bytes. (and should be write 1MiB : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix)
So it's really not the same thing!



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Re: near 1To downloaded in 2 months ?
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2010, 01:45:04 PM »
Well, On one hand, an Octet is effectively a group of 8 bits...
that's unfortunately your interpretation. as far as i'm concerned an octet is a group of 8 something (like a triplet is a group of 3). and if you ask around in the majority of the world i doubt someone will connect the word octet with something computer related (that holds at least true for china, japan, the US, and the rest of western and central europe - aside from france and probably belgium and switzerland)

it's not like i say using octet is "wrong", it's just probably the best to resort to bytes if talking in an international context - otherwise people might think you have bad spelling at best. ;)

but enough of the offtopic-ness:

you should seriously consider fixing whatever issue you have with your torrent client - because as far as we're considered your stats pretty much look like a gone-wrong attempt at stathacking.

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Re: near 1To downloaded in 2 months ?
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2010, 05:04:14 PM »
I would be a pretty lame "stat hacking" since it will penalize me and not help me.

It's like you would say that a man is a cheater in an online fps because most of his deaths are caused by himself.

ps : When organization like IETF use "octet" in their standards, and put in their "Users' glossary" (rfc 1983) and so on
I think that it's ok to use it internationally, unless you think that IETF are just a bunch of comic...

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Re: near 1To downloaded in 2 months ?
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2010, 05:44:39 PM »
how are we supposed to know the upload number on those other torrents that still keep you at a ratio of 0.940 are not result of the same client reporting stats improperly.
it's like you would say it's ok for a player in an online fps to cheat as long as he only wins half the time and the rest of the time his game crashes and he loses as a result.

and you seem to be missing the point. a 15 years old document explaining the term (but using byte in any other context) - because it's apparently needed - whereas neither bit nor byte are explained but used in the definition of other terms, if anything proves the point that it shouldn't be used in general conversation (in regions where it isn't used as a general term in the first place obviously).

for example you probably wouldn't use legal english to discuss a newly introduced bill with your friends, even though the law makers used it. it's not a matter of right or wrong, but a matter of if they understand you or not.

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Re: near 1To downloaded in 2 months ?
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2010, 10:26:13 PM »
Let's stop with the Mb/MB/mB/Mo discussion. MegaOctet is an accept term in some regions, and we accept that. Though for future reference, most of the forum doesn't use Mo but MB instead, so please clarify if you do choose to use Octets in future.

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Re: near 1To downloaded in 2 months ?
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2010, 05:03:08 AM »
Where did you obtain Transmission from?  What version is it?
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Re: near 1To downloaded in 2 months ?
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2010, 09:51:43 AM »
how are we supposed to know the upload number on those other torrents that still keep you at a ratio of 0.940 are not result of the same client reporting stats improperly.
We don't know, but there are coherent with the client, doesn't evolve with reboot/relaunch, and are also coherent with my "full" internet stats, and with the time I am on this site.
In a general manner: nobody can be sure at 100% of a digital data if there aren't crypto signed, and issued with a certified system (something like a EAL-7 system or equivalent).
I don't have the money to certified my system, and bittorrent doesn't manage crypto signed data so...

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it's like you would say it's ok for a player in an online fps to cheat as long as he only wins half the time and the rest of the time his game crashes and he loses as a result.
Only, in this case, when he wins, it was with his bare hands.

For this point, i've already contacted an admin with a problem linked to this one, and point them
to this thread. He doesn't say that i'm doing "stats hacking" etc...

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and you seem to be missing the point. a 15 years old document explaining the term (but using byte in any other context) - because it's apparently needed - whereas neither bit nor byte are explained but used in the definition of other terms, if anything proves the point that it shouldn't be used in general conversation (in regions where it isn't used as a general term in the first place obviously).

for example you probably wouldn't use legal english to discuss a newly introduced bill with your friends, even though the law makers used it. it's not a matter of right or wrong, but a matter of if they understand you or not.
Let's stop with the Mb/MB/mB/Mo discussion. MegaOctet is an accept term in some regions, and we accept that. Though for future reference, most of the forum doesn't use Mo but MB instead, so please clarify if you do choose to use Octets in future.
I agree with your comment.
It's not that I don't hear the will to clarifies my comments.
My answer concerns more someone saying that octet isn't used and can't be used outside France and Belgium and Switzerland etc...
As a computer science professionnal, I use theses terms everyday, so I use them naturally and doesn't see necessarily the difficulty with them.
Next time I will try to provide a better explanation ;)

Where did you obtain Transmission from?  What version is it?
I obtain transmission from debian repository. I'm not sure if it's sid.
The version of Transmission I've got is 2.11-1.



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Re: near 1To downloaded in 2 months ?
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2010, 05:33:47 AM »
Oh, sorry, I meant deluge.  Deluge is the one you were using originally, right?
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Re: near 1To downloaded in 2 months ?
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2010, 08:02:00 AM »
Oh, sorry, I meant deluge.  Deluge is the one you were using originally, right?
I was using the dev version of deluge (with an update of the source code approximately each month), so it was between 1.3-rc1 and 1.3.900-dev (currently the one i have).

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Re: near 1To downloaded in 2 months ?
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2010, 02:12:49 PM »
Oh, sorry, I meant deluge.  Deluge is the one you were using originally, right?
I was using the dev version of deluge (with an update of the source code approximately each month), so it was between 1.3-rc1 and 1.3.900-dev (currently the one i have).
The latest whitelisted Deluge client is v1.21;
Allowed versions: 1.0.x, 1.1.x, 1.2.1 (Windows, Linux, Mac OS X)

There was a bug in earlier versions of Deluge, so v1.21 is actually the only allowed...
...Reading again of the bug, your problems actually resemble that bug, on steroids...

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Re: near 1To downloaded in 2 months ?
« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2010, 10:20:34 AM »
Oh, sorry, I meant deluge.  Deluge is the one you were using originally, right?
I was using the dev version of deluge (with an update of the source code approximately each month), so it was between 1.3-rc1 and 1.3.900-dev (currently the one i have).
The latest whitelisted Deluge client is v1.21;
Allowed versions: 1.0.x, 1.1.x, 1.2.1 (Windows, Linux, Mac OS X)

There was a bug in earlier versions of Deluge, so v1.21 is actually the only allowed...
...Reading again of the bug, your problems actually resemble that bug, on steroids...

I was trying to find this bug on libtorrent, but the changelog isn't really explicit :
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.network.bit-torrent.libtorrent/3293

When we compile deluge, we use also the latest version of libtorrent, so perhaps there was a major regression ?
I don't know if the previous version (before 1.21) download too much data, or jus report the data downloaded as downloaded anew at each restart (which is my problem).


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Re: near 1To downloaded in 2 months ?
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2010, 07:50:05 PM »
Now that Blanchimont mentions it, yes, this does seem vaguely familiar. I believe it was the problem you were having. Re-seeding a torrent did the same thing too - instead of reporting that all files have been downloaded (and therefore 0 download), it reported a download stat equal to the file size.

Actually, I think it was only the re-seeding problem that showed up, not the client restart...

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Re: near 1To downloaded in 2 months ?
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2010, 01:17:02 AM »
The problem with Deluge, iirc, was that it reported as downloaded pieces that failed hash checks (bad data from peers), while other clients just throw that away.  This was changed in Deluge 1.2.1 and libtorrent 0.14.9 (release announcement).

I would breach the question with the Deluge developers, since providing early feedback is one of the primary reasons to use a development version, mm?
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Re: near 1To downloaded in 2 months ?
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2010, 11:30:52 AM »
depends,
I use the development version since
- each time I launch the "old version" it was saying "there are a new version 1.3.rc1 , test it" (I know, we can disable it).
- i wanted to see if we can add label directly when adding a torrent (and this features isn't important enough to fill a wish request).

For the bug report, I have other things to do than more search to know where there a trouble (which part of deluge) or to try to produce a patch. I've lost enough time with this problem, and i've better to do IRL.
I don't even know if it's a trouble with deluge, or with libtorrent, or with the comprehension of the (malformed?) deluge's data by bakabt, or specifically with my libraries and deluge, or ...
And a bug report with "there a trouble somewhere, good luck to find it" isn't useful at all.

So I use another bt client, deluge finally isn't ok for me. Periods.

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Re: near 1To downloaded in 2 months ?
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2010, 08:06:24 PM »
I just want to throw this out there.
I've always used uTorrent and never had any kind of ratio mishaps and/or tech problems on any private site.

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Re: near 1To downloaded in 2 months ?
« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2010, 08:45:23 PM »
I just want to throw this out there.
I've always used uTorrent and never had any kind of ratio mishaps and/or tech problems on any private site.
It isn't a free software, and was ported to Linux only in the last months.
So it's a "no go" for me.

And don't worry, utorrent have bugs too ;) (security problem, management problem, and so on).