iPhone4 vs HTC Evo

[NaRu]

Its all about the OS..not the hardware. If you want more freedom with your phone. Be able to install new roms, themes, and change pretty much anything you want within the phone then the Android is for you. If you don't care about that and want a good phone for media (music and videos) and is fine being trapped in Apple's garden then the iPhone is for you.

[Zirro]

I haven't heard of any other phone that comes close to the "Retina"-display yet. Also, I don't see why you would like to replace your battery? If Android phones come with (crappy) batteries that needs to be replaced after some time, I understand why you would want it, but iPhone batteries seems to last the whole lifetime of a phone. My 3G (which I got when it was it was a completely new model) is still going very strong, battery-wise. Other than that, I must admit that it's less fun having an iPhone now that it feels like half of the people you see is using one. I might get a phone with Android (or MeeGo, perhaps?) next time, since they, as you say, do have some advantages. Anyone making the claim that an iPhone would be a bad phone, though, wouldn't know what they're talking about.

1. The iPhone is a good phone. I agree anybody who says it sucks is just exaggerating. That said, I don't feel it is massively superior.
2. Replacing the battery is more just a preferential thing. Whether you are dealing with the iPhone battery or anything else, depending on its use the life does decrease, though minimally if you are a responsible user. In addition, with Android phones, batteries are upgradeable for popular models in which if you feel that your battery just isn't holding enough charge, you can get one that is higher capacity. Other than that though the battery thing is negligible.
3. The Retina screen wins hands down if you are just talking about resolution, but if you are talking about energy efficiency or colors, I'd argue the AMOLED and Super AMOLED win.

I do like the iPhone, but I have a few complaints:
1. Only on AT&T for now, though I do know that it is in the works for other carriers.
2. No physical keyboard. It can't be the only good phone, if there is no variant of it with the keyboard.
3. Mobile Hotspot technology is only available if you jailbreak.
4. Antenna Issues - we've all heard about this one though, and yes the free covers do help solve the problem.
5. Camera isn't quite as good as it could easily have been, and several android handsets outshine it in this category.
6. Multitasking still isn't good enough.
7. Ambient noise cancellation isn't as good as the competing Android Phones. Especially falls flat compared to Droid X

And the #1 thing I hate about the iPhone which isn't Apple's fault. Too many people act like it is ridiculously better than everything else. Enough of the elitism. Does that logic mean that anyone else who buys a different phone for a similar price is just stupid? The phone has its pros, and it certainly has its cons.

The first point only applies to the US, but I fully understand that it could be a problem if you live there. Also, as far as I've heard, the "antenna issues" only apply to countries with relatively bad networks. That doesn't mean I don't say it's a problem, it should work as good as other phones in all conditions. Good they took the decision to hand out free covers. I'd also like you to develop what you think is lacking in the multitasking department.

On the other points, I agree with you and conclude that no phone can be perfect for everyone.

I believe speak for the educated part of the world when I say this:
Apple sucks

Don't be so silly Their computers are great, the combination of hardware and software that was made for each other really is worth the extra money they cost. I'd even argue that most users would save money by getting one, as most people seem to buy new computers when Windows has slowed down enough. Macs don't get noticeably slower with time.

[Southrop]

I believe speak for the educated part of the world when I say this:
Apple sucks

Don't be so silly Their computers are great, the combination of hardware and software that was made for each other really is worth the extra money they cost. I'd even argue that most users would save money by getting one, as most people seem to buy new computers when Windows has slowed down enough. Macs don't get noticeably slower with time.

A product being good doesn't make the company better.

Apple as a company sucks. Their practices make me rage every time. However, some of their product designs are actually very nice, and even as an Apple-disliker/Google-fanboy, this is something I can't deny. However, I've never really liked the iOS or the Mac OS X. Physically, the products are quite nice tho.

[Zirro]

A product being good doesn't make the company better.

Apple as a company sucks. Their practices make me rage every time. However, some of their product designs are actually very nice, and even as an Apple-disliker/Google-fanboy, this is something I can't deny. However, I've never really liked the iOS or the Mac OS X. Physically, the products are quite nice tho.

Indeed, they do things that piss me off as well. Still, I gave up Windows when I invested heavily (twice as much as my current Mac) in a computer with Vista. This was before it got publicly known that Vista was a failure. I can't believe Microsoft released it the way it worked. After putting up with that computer for two years I decided Microsoft had let me down. When they rewrite their OS from the ground up, removing all junk and bad practices that makes it so slow, I might consider going back. Linux is the closest alternative, but the lack of applications would be a problem for me.

That leaves just Mac OS X, as far as I know. It also has the advantage of having the hardware and software made for each other. After using a Mac for a year now, I've realized what a great advantage this is. If some other company could offer me this, I might consider switching.

One thing that could drive me away from OS X though, is if they start restricting it, like the iOS App Store. They're about to release an App Store for the Mac, but as long as they keep the option to install things through the Internet, normally, I think it's a good addition.

Even though I introduce my post with "Indeed, they do things that piss me off as well.", those things are relatively few. From my perspective, Microsoft has done much worse things. It'd be great if you motivate what pisses you off about Apple, you might make me think twice next time I buy a computer.

P.S. I think many parts of Vista/Windows 7 looks better than OS X (not the computers they're delivered on, though), but a good look doesn't make it a good OS. It's filled with junk that I wouldn't like to come close to again.

[Xtras]

Getting a little off topic here. Not Mac vs. PC but rather iPhone4 vs. Evo and by extension Android vs iPhone.

[Southrop]

Getting a little off topic here. Not Mac vs. PC but rather iPhone4 vs. Evo and by extension Android vs iPhone.

By extension, Google vs Apple.

I'm on Google's side by the way.

[Zirro]

Getting a little off topic here. Not Mac vs. PC but rather iPhone4 vs. Evo and by extension Android vs iPhone.

By extension, Google vs Apple.

I'm on Google's side by the way.

I kind of got sidetracked, sorry. If we go back to the Android vs iPhone subject, I think I've decided that my next phone will be one with Android. After all, you shouldn't say too much about the opposite side before you've tried one yourself. When I bought my iPhone 3G (the one I still use), it was basically the only modern smartphone on the market. Apple was about to revolutionize the market, and no Android was in sight. Had it been today, and I had known all I do know today, I probably would've chosen an Android from start. I'll get an iPod Touch for the things I'll miss from my iPhone. Which Android-phone would you recommend for me if I were to buy one within the next three months?

EDIT: I like phones that I can use for a few years, rather than replace very often. I'm prepared to pay a lot as long as I feel that it's worth it. It feels a bit embarrassing to say (because it makes me sound rich, which I'm not), but to simplify: I basically want the best I can get right now.

[Southrop]

One of the more recent ones, I guess? Samsung Galaxy S, Sony Ericsson X10/X10 Mini, HTC Desire/Desire HD, etc. HTC phones, especially the more recent ones (earliest models had a few issues, but they have since been addressed in later handsets), are generally very good. HTC works very closely with Google (Google's Nexus One is HTC-made) on these handsets, and so they function very smoothly. I haven't actually tried the Galaxy S, but from what I've seen from my friend (she has it), Samsung has not changed the Android system as much as Sony Ericsson did with the X10 Mini.

[Xtras]

Getting a little off topic here. Not Mac vs. PC but rather iPhone4 vs. Evo and by extension Android vs iPhone.

By extension, Google vs Apple.

I'm on Google's side by the way.

I kind of got sidetracked, sorry. If we go back to the Android vs iPhone subject, I think I've decided that my next phone will be one with Android. After all, you shouldn't say too much about the opposite side before you've tried one yourself. When I bought my iPhone 3G (the one I still use), it was basically the only modern smartphone on the market. Apple was about to revolutionize the market, and no Android was in sight. Had it been today, and I had known all I do know today, I probably would've chosen an Android from start. I'll get an iPod Touch for the things I'll miss from my iPhone. Which Android-phone would you recommend for me if I were to buy one within the next three months?

EDIT: I like phones that I can use for a few years, rather than replace very often. I'm prepared to pay a lot as long as I feel that it's worth it. It feels a bit embarrassing to say (because it makes me sound rich, which I'm not), but to simplify: I basically want the best I can get right now.

This is the smart answer. The only time I ardently dislike apple is when I run into a completely elitist fanboy, who believes that only stuff with a shiny fruit on it is worth buying.

In general good products, but like Southrop, I don't like several company policies, and I hate elitism.

If anything but Verizon, find a Galaxy S, if Verizon, go Droid X. I can't really say outside the us though.

[mgz]

Getting a little off topic here. Not Mac vs. PC but rather iPhone4 vs. Evo and by extension Android vs iPhone.

By extension, Google vs Apple.

I'm on Google's side by the way.

I kind of got sidetracked, sorry. If we go back to the Android vs iPhone subject, I think I've decided that my next phone will be one with Android. After all, you shouldn't say too much about the opposite side before you've tried one yourself. When I bought my iPhone 3G (the one I still use), it was basically the only modern smartphone on the market. Apple was about to revolutionize the market, and no Android was in sight. Had it been today, and I had known all I do know today, I probably would've chosen an Android from start. I'll get an iPod Touch for the things I'll miss from my iPhone. Which Android-phone would you recommend for me if I were to buy one within the next three months?

EDIT: I like phones that I can use for a few years, rather than replace very often. I'm prepared to pay a lot as long as I feel that it's worth it. It feels a bit embarrassing to say (because it makes me sound rich, which I'm not), but to simplify: I basically want the best I can get right now.

This is the smart answer. The only time I ardently dislike apple is when I run into a completely elitist fanboy, who believes that only stuff with a shiny fruit on it is worth buying.

In general good products, but like Southrop, I don't like several company policies, and I hate elitism.

If anything but Verizon, find a Galaxy S, if Verizon, go Droid X. I can't really say outside the us though.

im more the opposite of you guys then. I absolutely hate those goofy white products. They are kinda OK looking IMO but their lack of functionality compared to similar products in their price range has always made me hate apple.

As a company however they are a fucking amazing company that rakes in cash fist over fist and i would invest in them any chance i could.

[Xtras]

im more the opposite of you guys then. I absolutely hate those goofy white products. They are kinda OK looking IMO but their lack of functionality compared to similar products in their price range has always made me hate apple.

As a company however they are a fucking amazing company that rakes in cash fist over fist and i would invest in them any chance i could.

For the record I think they are trying to transition away from white to a more metallic style. In fact, only the basic Macbook is still white right?

The cash thing sorta ties in to what I was saying earlier about the company policy. Does anyone else feel that Apple makes their huge profits by making their stuff seem to be like the latest and coolest thing to have? It has sorta become more of a fashion deal than an actual electronics functionality thing at this point. Here in college anyway, people feel that "its cool to have an iphone and macbook" because it means you have enough money to burn on that shiny logo.

[Zirro]

The cash thing sorta ties in to what I was saying earlier about the company policy. Does anyone else feel that Apple makes their huge profits by making their stuff seem to be like the latest and coolest thing to have? It has sorta become more of a fashion deal than an actual electronics functionality thing at this point. Here in college anyway, people feel that "its cool to have an iphone and macbook" because it means you have enough money to burn on that shiny logo.

If Macs had been bad computers I would've thought it was wrong too, but I'm sure the people that buy them are very pleased. I hope (some) people don't turn away from them, just because Apples computers are considered trendy, as they'd really miss out on something. Every day I hear people complain about how slow their computers are etc etc, and it's tempting to tell them that they wouldn't have those problems if they get a Mac instead.

[Xtras]

The cash thing sorta ties in to what I was saying earlier about the company policy. Does anyone else feel that Apple makes their huge profits by making their stuff seem to be like the latest and coolest thing to have? It has sorta become more of a fashion deal than an actual electronics functionality thing at this point. Here in college anyway, people feel that "its cool to have an iphone and macbook" because it means you have enough money to burn on that shiny logo.

If Macs had been bad computers I would've thought it was wrong too, but I'm sure the people that buy them are very pleased. I hope (some) people don't turn away from them, just because Apples computers are considered trendy, as they'd really miss out on something. Every day I hear people complain about how slow their computers are etc etc, and it's tempting to tell them that they wouldn't have those problems if they get a Mac instead.

Ok here is my complain against Apple:
Sure plenty of people with PC's have slow computers and have problems with crashing etc. But getting an Apple product doesn't suddenly make all technical difficulties go away. This is especially apparent at universities, where there is a big concentration of people whose parents don't want them goofing off in college. In other words, you'll find a lot of Macs. I've had friends whose Macs crash far more than my laptop. I've had friends whose Mac hard drives died within the first 3 weeks of school. I've also had friends who paid 1000 for their Macbook and it doesn't have 1/4th of the capabilities of my roommates $600 Dell Studio.

Does Apple have great build quality? Yes. Do they have perfect build quality? Very far from it. I can't accept Apple justifying that price due to it being a higher quality product (especially since the hardware they use is pretty far from high performance). It does however lend me strongly to think that they are more charging money for the image the company has accrued, and for what they call, stuff that "just works". Well I don't want $1600 stuff that "Just works" when I can get $1100 stuff that excels.

I'm not saying I hate the product. But I hate the company for overpricing it, and then making a somewhat deceptive claim that it is worth all that money. Unless you fall into very particular niches, for the general consumer, a Mac just isn't worth it.

[NaRu]

There is a reason why Macs don't crash or slow down after awhile. The Mac OS is completely locked down. You can't change anything in the OS. The Mac OS isn't supported by third parties. Windows is completely open to third parties. Also if you know what you are doing your PC will run without any problems. The copy of windows I have on my PC been there since the launch of Windows 7.