Remington Rifles new game in bad PR blunder ???

[Guru Zeb]

http://uk.gamespot.com/wii/action/remingtonsuperslamhuntingafrica/index.html

Just an amusing one i spotted, surely Remingtons PR people are living in a bunker or something.
They have allowed a developer to release a game associated with their company, in which you gun down ever endangered species in Africa larger than a bush rat ...... ROFLMFAO .... WTF?!?!?!
The only way they could have generated worst PR for their company would been to force the developers to add a few Bantu tribesmen to gun down too.
I know their business is allowing people to gun down wild animals and other human beings either unarmed or using inferior weapons but WTF ?!?!?!
Even they must desire some kind of positive PR ...... can only assume this is similar fubar to the one the US Navy almost made in 1979. When i high ranking admiral was fully committed to using the Village peoples 'in the navy' as ( i fuckin' jest you not ) the new Navy recruiting theme song ... apparently the project was well developed when a junior staff liaison officer pointed out that the song had various potentially undesirable connotations for the Nations aquatic fighting force, and the band presented a questionable lifestyle for the navy to become associated with.

[isukianime]

i think it's fine...those who like guns like hunting....and it's a hunting game.

[Guru Zeb]

i think it's fine...those who like guns like hunting....and it's a hunting game.

lol ..... did you read what i wrote ..... am not critical of the idea ...... i don't actually give a fuck.
Just seems a dubious decision from a PR stand point.
As in this game you hunt ENDANGERED species, the hunting of which is outlawed via international treaty.

[Soryon]

As in this game you hunt ENDANGERED species

Thats the whole point. Why complain about hunting endangered animals when there is a plethora of games where you shoot and kill humans seemingly just for fun, such as GTA. Or movies for that matter.
Its just a form of entertainment, its not real.

[Guru Zeb]

As in this game you hunt ENDANGERED species

Thats the whole point. Why complain about hunting endangered animals when there is a plethora of games where you shoot and kill humans seemingly just for fun, such as GTA. Or movies for that matter.
Its just a form of entertainment, its not real.

Once again did you even read what i wrote ?!?!?!
At no time did i say i have any problem with it. I just think its crazy from a PR perspective.
The point is that Lexus do no sponsor you to drive around GTA wiping out bystanders ... because its bad PR.

[Soryon]

As in this game you hunt ENDANGERED species

Thats the whole point. Why complain about hunting endangered animals when there is a plethora of games where you shoot and kill humans seemingly just for fun, such as GTA. Or movies for that matter.
Its just a form of entertainment, its not real.

Once again did you even read what i wrote ?!?!?!
At no time did i say i have any problem with it. I just think its crazy from a PR perspective.
The point is that Lexus do no sponsor you to drive around GTA wiping out bystanders ... because its bad PR.

Did you even read my post? I never said anything about YOU. I said "why complain" as in why would anyone. That is the second time in 3 posts that you have accused someone of singling you out when they never even said anything about you, only stated an opinion on the matter that YOU brought up. No one has even mentioned you, much less accused you of anything.
Settle the fuck down.

                                                                                                                               

I am not even gonna justify this idiocy with a bump, just gonna add on a previous post.

when did i accuse anyone of singling anyone out.

Well lets take a look, shall we?

Once again did you even read what i wrote ?!?!?!
At no time did i say i have any problem with it.

lol ..... did you read what i wrote .....

2 people said they dont see a problem with it, 2 times you accused them of not reading your post / putting words in your mouth.
Do I need to spell it out for you? I dont see the problem so obviously I could care less about your perceived possible PR issue. I am sure somewhere some retarded group of people will have a fit, but over all it just isnt something worth taking into consideration. I dont know what the hell you are driving at by reiterating your standpoint to every response that is made. I know you are saying Remington is backing the game, but that doesn't automatically mean we are all gonna agree that its some sort of horrible PR decision. I actually think Remington backing the game will be more profitable alone then whatever a group of nuts complaining about endangered species could possibly detract from sales.

I wish I never joined this thread. Some people just cant be talked to.

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[Guru Zeb]

As in this game you hunt ENDANGERED species

Thats the whole point. Why complain about hunting endangered animals when there is a plethora of games where you shoot and kill humans seemingly just for fun, such as GTA. Or movies for that matter.
Its just a form of entertainment, its not real.

Once again did you even read what i wrote ?!?!?!
At no time did i say i have any problem with it. I just think its crazy from a PR perspective.
The point is that Lexus do no sponsor you to drive around GTA wiping out bystanders ... because its bad PR.

Did you even read my post? I never said anything about YOU. I said "why complain" as in why would anyone. That is the second time in 3 posts that you have accused someone of singling you out when they never even said anything about you, only stated an opinion on the matter that YOU brought up. No one has even mentioned you, much less accused you of anything.
Settle the fuck down.

No your the one who needs to fuckin' settle down as i responded entirely to the content of your post, when did i accuse anyone of singling anyone out.
What i did is point out that judging from what your post, you had misinterpreted my area of concern.
Its not about anyone complaining ........ its about what it does for the companies image ... doh

Maybe it too nuanced an point for you, or maybe you don't understand how PR and corporate image work.

[isukianime]

What you aren't getting is that it's a gun company. Do you think the people who buy guns care about this? It's not bad PR because their is nothing negative about it to their image. Guns kill, that's the whole point.

[Guru Zeb]

What you aren't getting is that it's a gun company. Do you think the people who buy guns care about this? It's not bad PR because their is nothing negative about it to their image. Guns kill, that's the whole point.

Ah nice ...... at least now we are discussing the issues.

Yeah i know what your saying, but even gun companies ( who i have no personal issues with at all ) have a public image.
Thats why armalite, Fabrique Nationale, or enfield do not sponsor FPS games.
According to the logic of you two guys ....... why wouldn't they
Because its not good PR and PR extends beyond your customer and user base.
Probably the reason am so horrified is that i have a distant background in PR & Marketing, and am certain that non of the old companies i used to freelance for would have encouraged a move like this.

So let just be clear i have no issue with gun companies or hunting ....... hell i grew up in a rural area in the 70s and used to have summer job shooting rabbits for a farmer at one time.

It just seems crazy thing to do from a PR stand point as the hunting of endangered species does put the whole thing on slightly different level. God i know some greenies who would probably pass out if i told them about this.

[mgz]

i think it's fine...those who like guns like hunting....and it's a hunting game.

lol ..... did you read what i wrote ..... am not critical of the idea ...... i don't actually give a fuck.
Just seems a dubious decision from a PR stand point.
As in this game you hunt ENDANGERED species, the hunting of which is outlawed via international treaty.

What you aren't getting is that it's a gun company. Do you think the people who buy guns care about this? It's not bad PR because their is nothing negative about it to their image. Guns kill, that's the whole point.

Ah nice ...... at least now we are discussing the issues.

Yeah i know what your saying, but even gun companies ( who i have no personal issues with at all ) have a public image.
Thats why armalite, Fabrique Nationale, or enfield do not sponsor FPS games.
According to the logic of you two guys ....... why wouldn't they
Because its not good PR and PR extends beyond your customer and user base.
Probably the reason am so horrified is that i have a distant background in PR & Marketing, and am certain that non of the old companies i used to freelance for would have encouraged a move like this.

So let just be clear i have no issue with gun companies or hunting ....... hell i grew up in a rural area in the 70s and used to have summer job shooting rabbits for a farmer at one time.

It just seems crazy thing to do from a PR stand point as the hunting of endangered species does put the whole thing on slightly different level. God i know some greenies who would probably pass out if i told them about this.

i fail to see how its a PR blunder its a gun company wtf do they care what douchebags who wouldnt be using their product anyway would care about them.

While some gun companies dont sponsor and support FPS games others allow them to use gun models and things in the game and have no problem with it.
If that wasnt the case you wouldnt see the real guns in the game with names you can literally google and pull up the gun.

[fohfoh]

#1: Chill the fuck down

#2. OP is arguing that a gun company should not be involved in PR that has negative views of the company (Irrelevance of the nature of the game.)

#3. People are saying there are no issues with such a game in general. (Irrelevance of the nature of the company sponsoring it)  


While it could be true that a gun company should not portray the use of their product in a negative light, is that not what automotive companies do on a regular basis with crash test footage? Some may argue not as drastic, but is that essentially true? Nascar shows vehicles driving in a circle and crashing. Should car companies be worried about their involvement?

In my opinion, it's not a huge issue to have a gun company support development of a game like this.

Another option, is it legit for computer companies to host hacker competitions?

What is the difference between art forging and restoration? Merely intent right? Someone can easily argue the game gets rid of people's desire to hunt endangered species by allowing them to act it out, OR cause them to want to hunt them more. The GTA debate was like this at least half a decade ago. I still am waiting for the epidemic of individuals running around, gunning people down and stealing cars.

[Ixarku]

While it could be true that a gun company should not portray the use of their product in a negative light, is that not what automotive companies do on a regular basis with crash test footage? Some may argue not as drastic, but is that essentially true? Nascar shows vehicles driving in a circle and crashing. Should car companies be worried about their involvement?

In my opinion, it's not a huge issue to have a gun company support development of a game like this.

Another option, is it legit for computer companies to host hacker competitions?

What is the difference between art forging and restoration? Merely intent right? Someone can easily argue the game gets rid of people's desire to hunt endangered species by allowing them to act it out, OR cause them to want to hunt them more. The GTA debate was like this at least half a decade ago. I still am waiting for the epidemic of individuals running around, gunning people down and stealing cars.

Automotive companies use crash test footage to grab people’s attention and to highlight safety issues.  They effectively take a negative situation and turn it around so people can see it from a positive angle.  I don’t see a gun company being able to do the same thing with a game about hunting endangered species.  At best, maybe they’d send mixed messages to people.  (“For every copy of Animal Assassin sold, we’ll donate $5 to the WWF!  Help PETA by gunning down in-game critters instead of real life ones!”)

I dunno, I think it’s kind of funny personally, but in this case, I agree with the OP that this is a bad idea from a purely PR perspective – I imagine that more people would see this in a negative light than in a positive one, simply because of the stigma associated with killing endangered species.

[Meomix]

I don't see the point of this thread, haters will hate, allegations will be bought forth for the soul propose of watching you flick off.

[Guru Zeb]

I don't see the point of this thread, haters will hate, allegations will be bought forth for the soul propose of watching you flick off.

I don't see the point, or the accuracy of your post ....... who is hating
We have had one teenage tantrum but thats to be expected.
Who's making allegations ??
As far as am aware no one has made any allegations at all on either side.
Somewhat of a clear difference of opinion ......... but hey welcome to life as we know it 

This is the GAMES section i spotted the GAME and thought it was both amusing and crazy that Remington had let themselves be associated with it ....... so a made a post as i thought others might at least find it amusing.

End thread/

P.S am going to go finish off making Lasagne now 

[pingryanime]

lol Remington is a great arms company, but they should seriously stay out of the gaming industry...

[Soryon]

We have had one teenage tantrum but thats to be expected.

yea, and it came from you.

[vuzedome]

I think it sounds like a fun game.

[Havoc10K]

BIG GAME HUNTING !

as long as it stays in the box it's okay, and if there is panda (unlikely) china gonna bomb that bunker XD

[Guru Zeb]

We have had one teenage tantrum but thats to be expected.

yea, and it came from you.

Oh dear looks like i REALLY got under someone's skin ....... without even trying  
Oh well what else can you expect from someone who can't engage in a rational debate by
supporting a rational position rather than just getting all butt hurt and posting gifs  

reminds me ......... didn't you bail this thread a long time ago?

I think i smell someone who can't take people disagreeing with better logic than they can muster.
At this rate methinks mummy and daddy are going to have to clear a lot of broken toys out of your room.

[Soryon]

We have had one teenage tantrum but thats to be expected.

yea, and it came from you.

Oh dear looks like i REALLY got under someone's skin ....... without even trying  
Oh well what else can you expect from someone who can't engage in a rational debate by
supporting a rational position rather than just getting all butt hurt and posting gifs  

reminds me ......... didn't you bail this thread a long time ago?


I think i smell someone who can't take people disagreeing with better logic than they can muster.
At this rate methinks mummy and daddy are going to have to clear a lot of broken toys out of your room.

Thanks for proving my point, bigotbi.

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OMG this guy doesnt agree with me, he must obviously not understand the issue!

So tell me oh enlightened one, where was the flaw in my logic? Was it where I said that I didnt see a problem with the game and by extension the PRs decision to OK? or was it just that I didnt see it the same way you did?

Did you read my earlier post or just see it?

I know you are saying Remington is backing the game, but that doesn't automatically mean we are all gonna agree that its some sort of horrible PR decision. I actually think Remington backing the game will be more profitable alone then whatever a group of nuts complaining about endangered species could possibly detract from sales.

PR isnt there to make sure no one gets angry they are only another department to help increase profits often by means of damage control and weighing the good with the bad.

tl:dr? I don't think its a bad PR decision.