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Offline Xenoran

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My first book.
« on: December 02, 2010, 08:48:38 AM »
ummm so ... im writing my first book and i only have the first paragraph so far .... but i was wondering if others would get the feelings im going for ... so i wanted to know if some of you might comment on the emotions you get ... or maybe you dont get if you cant feel anything from this .. but just comment as you see fit

this is my first serious writing that isnt an essay

It started out as an end of the world thing .. the girl was supposed to be buried in ruble with these thoughts but it turned into this ... haha pretty far off

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ok so i finished the first page ... im going to post it so any feedback is welcomed ... emotions you felt or think were trying to be conveyed and whether i conveyed them or not and any places you thing didnt fit ... any comments are appreciated ...
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link to my blog is in my signiture where the two.5 pages have been posted
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Re: My first book.
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2010, 10:36:25 AM »
Slightly OT, but relevant -- if you decide you want some advice on how to write & structure fiction, I highly recommend getting a copy of "Techniques of the Selling Writer" by Dwight V. Swain.  I learned quite a bit from it.  There are a lot of books out there that focus on different aspects of writing, but this is one that's had a huge impact on me on how I look at & structure my own writing.
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Re: My first book.
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2010, 10:41:12 AM »
Slightly OT, but relevant -- if you decide you want some advice on how to write & structure fiction, I highly recommend getting a copy of "Techniques of the Selling Writer" by Dwight V. Swain.  I learned quite a bit from it.  There are a lot of books out there that focus on different aspects of writing, but this is one that's had a huge impact on me on how I look at & structure my own writing.

i just put the first page up :D

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made a comment at bottom about where the story is going
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Re: My first book.
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2010, 11:39:04 AM »
Intriguing.  Starts out sounding like a near-death experience.  What is actually most interesting part is the last bit of dialogue at the end, which starts to give the reader hints of what might be happening.

Here's a little something I wrote somewhat randomly a few weeks ago.  It doesn't go anywhere, it doesn't have any point -- I was just having a bad day, sat down in the evening and wrote this in an hour or two.

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Re: My first book.
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2010, 04:15:59 PM »
so .. any comments from anyone els?
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Re: My first book.
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2010, 04:30:04 PM »
Put it in a blog and put a link of that blog in your signature.


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Re: My first book.
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2010, 04:35:29 PM »
Put it in a blog and put a link of that blog in your signature.

^like this idea

Also, I kind of like how the story immidiatly puts you in the middle of something unknown. And as Ixarku says, the last bit makes the whole quite interesting.

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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2010, 01:28:44 AM »
I can't say much about the idea itself, since it all depends on what direction you decide to take the story, but the writing itself bothered me.

One thing, the commas are just so ungrammatical it makes me cringe. The side effect of using all those commas of yours is that it makes it read like the girl is hyper and her mind is moving at the speed of light (which it really is ayway), whereas you are probably going for a confused/disoriented/groggy kind of feel. You're actually looking to use ellipses in most of those instances, but an overabundance of ellipses is also terrible.

That actually brings me to the next thing, which is that you have too much internal monologue at the start. Because you have nothing but her thinking, without any pause or anything (events, interjections, outside stimulus) in between thoughts, it's almost the same as if that was all dialogue. Try imagining all that as dialogue and you might be able to see what I mean. And since it's all combined together like it, and her thoughts jump around dozens of times, it becomes a mess and a lot of the things said feels insignificant and a waste of space (and thus ignored and forgotten).

I have a rough idea of what you were trying to do with what you wrote, trying to show how confused she is and how she can't control her physical body for some reason, but I think you're trying too hard (using too many details and thoughts) it needs a whole rewrite to be pleasing to read. Sometimes something more minimal is more effective than throwing a lot of "details", most of which feel insignificant.

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Re: My first book.
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2010, 02:12:52 AM »
It may be easier for you to start with short stories, rather than a novel.  Not only is the length helpful, but the writing style is different: characters are just introduced with no prologue, and defined by the actions they take, rather than discussing motivations and all that jazz.

At least, that's what I've gathered from the bit I've read and a lovely introduction to a book of stories by Philip K. Dick that I have.  Consult someone who actually knows what they're talking about if you decide to go this route.

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Crying.  Great.

Mmm, rambling on about crying some more... I think I'll just scroll down to where people say stuff about this.
Not to be a discouragement, but your introduction is quite possibly the most important part - it tells people what to expect later on.  And if there's one thing I hate reading, it's dream sequences, extended abstract thoughts, and general narrator-on-drugs.  Case in point: I love the Dune series (rereading it now), but when Paul starts wandering off into trances and talking about hills of seeing and weird-ass metaphors that sound like Frank Herbert was partaking of a bit too much melange himself, I zone out.
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Re: My first book.
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2010, 02:18:41 AM »
Here's the one advice I have that I learned the hard way.



Intros make impressions.



Bad intros = no one reads, even if everything past the intro is superb.



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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2010, 06:00:54 AM »
Dammit Nazo, where have you been? I posted my story somewhere in theses forums if you want to take a look at it during your free time.

I concur. Start with short stories first. Not really to explore ideas, but to explore your writing style. Learn to develop your ability to communicate your idea to the fullest. I actually have several books I want to write, but I have to do different things first to begin.

1st book needs more story development. I want intertwined stories, so that will likely need some type of small scale model to make sure I don't incorporate certain "fallacies" into the story
2nd needs a lot of writing development. It came as a dream so there's all sorts of weird "excerpts" but introducing the idea properly in prose is very important. (introduction). Last I counted I think I had like 4-5 different worlds in my idea. (parallel existences), a main character moving towards searching for others, a side character and her father as well as the full 1st world fully mentally developed.

One thing I have to work on, is that sometimes I spend too much time writing about details that to a certain extent aren't needed. I may be working backwards since I like to mentally create a world, develop it and then record it rather than write about a world, develop it and then mentally create it after the fact.
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Re: My first book.
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2010, 07:48:40 AM »
ok. thanks everyone ... ill take it all into consideration and prolly do a partial to 75% rewrite and i midht post it back to see if its any better sometime later in a few days or something or i might just do the blog thing

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well my book it put up at http://xenoran.blogspot.com/

i edited some of the beginning stuff and added things to end if anyone wants to read where it currently is
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Re: My first book.
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2010, 10:54:46 AM »
It may be easier for you to start with short stories, rather than a novel.  Not only is the length helpful, but the writing style is different: characters are just introduced with no prologue, and defined by the actions they take, rather than discussing motivations and all that jazz.

This is certainly good advice.  There definitely are substantial differences between novels and short stories - pacing and level of detail probably being the most significant.  Short stories are generally much more direct and to the point, with character development shown more through dialogue and action.  Novels leave quite a bit more room for narrative text.

To take it a step further, it's also possible to improve writing style by writing short scenes instead of stories, kind of as an exercise.  If you have trouble coming up with ideas, there are different things to try to spark the imagination - like the time-honored tradition of observing people in some random public setting.  Or you could lift scenes from TV, movies, or books, and try rewriting them with your own twist, just for practice.

Novels also require a HUGE time committment and a ridiculous amount of self-discipline, as in, months or years of near-continuous work, depending on your writing skills, your ability to focus, the amount of time on your hands, and how clear your ideas are.  It's tough enough to write a bad novel; writing a good one requires a lot of tenacity.
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Re: My first book.
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2010, 11:45:08 AM »
My imagination is huge. The reason I chose to do a novel instead of a short story is because if we go with the 20,000 word deffinition of a short story ... I can easily write way beyond this for this. I have everything going on in my head right now and i have pages and pages or thoughts and scenes and ideas for this story that it could never be considered anything like short. I have mounds of scenes and ideas already jotted down in a notebook and a backstory to each character already that define who they are ... ive been working and writing nonstop for over 24 hours constant writing ideas and lines and scenes in my notebook. i just dont think i could do a short story. the content for a novel is there i only need to work on my writing.
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Re: My first book.
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2010, 11:52:15 AM »
Hello.

So what happens after ch 1?

Chapter 1 (I call chapers as "ch") could be the present plot. Then you recap it to the past experience say 1 day ago (or for nurses 1 day Prior to Burial  ;) ) in the second ch. Is that what you have in mind?

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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2010, 01:42:01 PM »
Hello.

So what happens after ch 1?

Chapter 1 (I call chapers as "ch") could be the present plot. Then you recap it to the past experience say 1 day ago (or for nurses 1 day Prior to Burial  ;) ) in the second ch. Is that what you have in mind?

honestly? I have a few ideas

one idea is to move this Ch1 to be the Preface and put it in the middle or end of book and have it start off with her as a child this hasnt been told yet in the story but she was a failed reserch project for a major company. so i was thinking of making chapter 1 like ch7 or 12 or something ... or actually making that the last chapter and doing a second book where this one left off .... or making the second book the prestory to this one. ... but as far as what happens directly after this .... they ofcoarse are going to have a discussion about her being in a coma for three months ... how Arron found her and discuss her new name as Alice since has no memories (thats a key part to the black opening, she has no memories no anything) and cant remember her name ... and she isnt dead ..... she is in a hospital bed lol .... Did you read the version on my blog? there is no burial
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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2010, 01:51:05 PM »
Oh, sorry. I'm too outdated. hehe.

But anyways, It can be established that somehow in the Prologue, "Alice" is supposed to be talking to her surrogate mother, a scientist, about who she "supposed to be" while masking the truth... That scene can be remembered like over again by "Alice" due to her memory gaps sparking together or something...

I'm not really good on story making. I'm a learner myself, I'm making my comic book too. But I hope that I helped in a way.

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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2010, 01:55:41 PM »
Oh, sorry. I'm too outdated. hehe.

But anyways, It can be established that somehow in the Prologue, "Alice" is supposed to be talking to her surrogate mother, a scientist, about who she "supposed to be" while masking the truth... That scene can be remembered like over again by "Alice" due to her memory gaps sparking together or something...

I'm not really good on story making. I'm a learner myself, I'm making my comic book too. But I hope that I helped in a way.

Alice is a real person born a real person but was given to the compony for research atleast thats how i have it written in my notebook and in my head

oh and yo should read what i have in my blog :) it is different starting with the 2nd paragraph i believe i re-worded some things and added things at beginning then i also added pages 2 - 3
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Re: My first book.
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2010, 03:01:56 PM »
Dammit Nazo, where have you been? I posted my story somewhere in theses forums if you want to take a look at it during your free time.
Link it to me some time in PM or something...

As for Xenoran's story... my suggestion is to read up on writing techniques and working on your grammar. Also, the present tense that you're using is odd and difficult to use, although if you choose to use it, you need to stay consistent. Same with first person/third person perspective. Well, that's about all the advice I'll give since there's a fair amount of fundamentals that I think you need to work on to have a story that is more pleasing to read.

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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2010, 04:23:04 PM »
1) Expect a soul-sucking depressing ordeal in getting the novel completed. Getting started is easy compared to keeping the momentum going.

2) Planning is one of the most important things you can do. I'm not just referring to what each chapter entails, but character planning, sketching the landscape and inspiration for the settings. If you don't know how a given character will react in any given situation, their motives and thoughts, childhood; every single detail about them, how can you convey a realistic character to someone else?

3) Adjectives: the forgotten kind of words. Your opening felt a little...repetitive . Using some more description rather than referring to crying (e.g. the delicate trickle flowing down my cheek; as I felt the gentle splash of my tears on the glacial ground where I lay, I screamed out into the vast void of nothingness) might help spice things up a little. Nazo's also right on the length; if you can say the same thing concisely, it only makes sense to do so.

"what els could it be?"
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"It said his name was Arron,"
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"twelve beets per minute."
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I'm sure there are others. Write once, read twice. Aloud. The spelling mistakes are easier to catch than the bits that just sound awkward (though this hasn't been an issue so far). Reading in your head you'll often read what you intended to write, and not what's actually written. I'm also reserving judgement thus far, but there's little right now that seems unique; there's no hook. But of course, you've only really just started so that could be to come, but I'd try to make sure there was some intriguing hint or unexpected development within the first few pages. Even if you don't really visit it until later, it needs something to get the readers interest.

Since it seems appropriate, my credentials. I started it when I was out of work and lost my momentum when I lost all my notes, both on my hard drive and my backup on my memory pen within a week of each other, and I haven't gotten the time to re-write them all. As such, only up to chapter 7 got completed. I do plan on going back to it eventually, but for now it's on indefinite hiatus.