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Offline Soul Reaper

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Warning from ISP
« on: December 21, 2010, 07:26:55 AM »
A friend of mine was just recently warned by his ISP for downloading a torrent from a different site.  This has me worried because we have the same ISP, but I shouldn't get in trouble for downloading from BakaBT since none of these torrents are licensed right?

Another question, if my friend went with a different ISP, would his previous warning just dissappear so he wouldn't get a "repeat offense" if he was caught again?  I really don't know much about this stuff.  Thanks to whoever can help.
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Re: Warning from ISP
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2010, 08:33:00 AM »
All animation is licensed.
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Re: Warning from ISP
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2010, 08:54:20 AM »
Warning usually disappears. I doubt anyone transfers history from one ISP to another. >_>

As for animation. As Chiya said, all animation is licensed. We do try to avoid series that are actively patrolled by license holders such as Funimation however in saying that you are never 100% safe.

If I may inquire, what series was it that he was warned for?

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Re: Warning from ISP
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2010, 12:51:01 PM »
Well, first of all: What country are you in? And what ISP are you with?


Several countries have introduced "3 strikes" laws which mean you lose your internet if you're caught uploading copyrighted material three times. Are you in one of those countries?

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Re: Warning from ISP
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2010, 06:27:30 PM »
We live in the US in Oregon, I'm not sure if our state has the 3-strikes law, and our ISP is Quest.  He got warned for downloading the first 4 season's of South Park.  This has scared him enough that he's decided never to use torrents again.  I admit i'm really worried too because I downloaded a similar torrent
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Re: Warning from ISP
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2010, 06:37:55 PM »
We live in the US in Oregon, I'm not sure if our state has the 3-strikes law, and our ISP is Quest.  He got warned for downloading the first 4 season's of South Park.  This has scared him enough that he's decided never to use torrents again.  I admit i'm really worried too because I downloaded a similar torrent

That's strange...every South Park episode is available (uncensored & HD) for free on the show's official website.

I live in CA and have Comcast and I think I've gone over their 250GB/month cap multiple times (One month I transferred around 550GB) and I have never gotten a letter/warning.

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Re: Warning from ISP
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2010, 06:45:33 PM »
We live in the US in Oregon, I'm not sure if our state has the 3-strikes law, and our ISP is Quest.  He got warned for downloading the first 4 season's of South Park.  This has scared him enough that he's decided never to use torrents again.  I admit i'm really worried too because I downloaded a similar torrent

First, perhaps I should make it clear to you that unless the site/uploader says so, you can assume that every movie, TV-show, music-track and so on (this includes manga and anime) you can download on the Internet is illegal and can result in a warning like the one your friend has received. I'm glad we don't have this kind of warning system in Sweden yet, but it looks like we're getting closer to it too. My suggestion is that you, if you don't mind spending a small sum of money every month, get a good VPN-service (after all, considering the money you save by getting your files online, the cost of a VPN-service is very small). Since I don't live in the US myself, I don't think I can recommend one for you, but Google probably can (as in, search for it). VPN-services "masks" your IP-adress and encrypts your connection, so that it is, in theory, very hard (or impossible) to find out what sites you've been visiting and what files you've downloaded. This should keep you (and your friend) protected against these warnings.

EDIT: I also took a look at http://wiki.vuze.com/w/Bad_ISPs#United_States_of_America - A list of bad ISP's. "Qwest" is listed as an ISP. If that's the same as the "Quest" you mention, I really suggest that you switch to another ISP before you get a VPN-service. According to the page, it is the only US operator that throttles (slows down) encrypted traffic (VPN-traffic, for example). It also slows down torrent-traffic, meaning that downloading and uploading to/from BakaBT is much slower than it needs to be. According to the list, "BellSouth" looks like the best ISP, as it doesn't do anything to the traffic. If you have access to it, I'd recommend switching to that one (and getting that VPN-service, while you're at it).
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Re: Warning from ISP
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2010, 07:09:54 PM »
Oooh...I may look into this VPN thing...does anyone know what the best free one for the USA is?

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Re: Warning from ISP
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2010, 07:13:34 PM »
First off, I am not aware of any torrents on our site that are legal for you to download.  However, investigating BitTorrent swarms to send notices to ISPs is a bit on the expensive side, as I understand it, and is therefore only done for things in which there is money to be made.

Here is my anecdotal experience:

I live in the U.S.  I have had a dedicated machine of some sort running a bittorrent client for 3 or so years.  As you can see, I've downloaded a decent amount of material from here, plus a goodly number of fansubs from other sites.

In that time, my household has received two warning notices from our ISP - one for an episode of The Pacific that I left seeding for a week or two (but not for the others that I removed shortly after they finished downloading), and one for an episode of Glee that my roommate downloaded.

Downloading Buffy, Bill Nye, Gargoyles, Avatar (the animated series) - no one has seemed to care.  Downloading terabytes of anime - no one has seemed to care.

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Re: Warning from ISP
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2010, 07:34:43 PM »
Staying away from high-profile stuff like recent Hollywood movies or released games is the only guideline I follow

Been downloading anime from everywhere, never got a warning

Maybe because I don't live in the US, but up the border

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Re: Warning from ISP
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2010, 07:40:17 PM »
Staying away from high-profile stuff like recent Hollywood movies or released games is the only guideline I follow

Been downloading anime from everywhere, never got a warning

Maybe because I don't live in the US, but up the border

Yeah I think that's what I'm going to do from now on.  I'll have to wait awhile for the popular stuff to download it but it's definitly worth it.  As for anime I think it's safer to download, so I'll still be constantly downloading from Bakabt.
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Re: Warning from ISP
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2010, 09:47:48 PM »
Oooh...I may look into this VPN thing...does anyone know what the best free one for the USA is?

I don't want to sound negative, but I wouldn't recommend using a free VPN. While it certainly doesn't apply to all, there's always the risk that the person behind the VPN-service finances it through selling/using details that's picked up from your connection. I'd recommend that you try to find a serious company that still offer it at a relatively low price. My VPN costs the same as one meal at a fast food restaurant, for one month. If you still want it for free though, the TOR project might be something to take a look at. However, try to find some guides about encrypting your network before you use TOR, as the end-node might be used to "spy" on your data.

I found this link through some quick Googling:

http://filesharefreak.com/2008/10/18/total-anonymity-a-list-of-vpn-service-providers

It's probably OK, but you might want to find one that's more up-to-date.

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Re: Warning from ISP
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2010, 10:22:37 PM »
Hmm...I also have a program called PeerBlock; does this one help at all?

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Re: Warning from ISP
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2010, 10:33:33 PM »
Hmm...I also have a program called PeerBlock; does this one help at all?

It should indeed, as it blocks IPs from companies that are collecting information about who shares which files. As they (PeerBlock) state on their site though, it's not a 100% protection, as the tracking-companies switch IP's. Make sure to keep the blocklists updated to make it as effective as possible.

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Re: Warning from ISP
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2010, 01:26:14 AM »
Hmm...I also have a program called PeerBlock; does this one help at all?
Placebo and nothing else.

Plus, you might be blocking some seedboxs, know for a fact that OVH is blocked using that program. Lots and lots and lots of SB are hosted on that network.

If you really want to be safe you have a few options:
1. SB
2. VPN (payed, can get cheap VPN services that provide bittorrent friendly service)
3. Use other methods to download (FTP awww yeah)


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Re: Warning from ISP
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2010, 01:52:39 AM »

If you really want to be safe you have a few options:
1. SB
2. VPN (payed, can get cheap VPN services that provide bittorrent friendly service)
3. Use other methods to download (FTP awww yeah)

A seedbox would solve most of your problems and can be gotten quite cheaply especially if you're just after the safety and not looking to upload 10TB/month or so.  YOU won't actually be running any torrents, it will all be run on the seedbox in some data centre hundreds of miles away from you and all they will find if and when they look into the torrents is some server in France, rented by some company in the US who have no clue who you (or the other 7 or so users on your server) actually are.  Your ISP won't know anything about you and torrents, the .torrent file itself won't get you into any trouble and they don't search for that kind of traffic in any case.  You get other benefits such as higher speed, better ratio, server is always on etc on top
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Re: Warning from ISP
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2010, 02:58:52 AM »
Seedboxes are only good for seeding, though, right?
I'm worried about getting caught downloading.

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Re: Warning from ISP
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2010, 03:44:01 AM »
They're even better for downloading, just that the majority of users have it mainly for seeding, and after a month or 2 of having one you'll find that's what you end up doing too.  I've had warnings from my ISP too, for excessive bandwith usage (torrenting) and there's a lot of talk about the three strikes **** that's been mentioned already in this thread.  I do all my torrenting on my seedbox, and then download via FTP to my computer.  Your ISP would generally look for BT like traffic and inspect traffic/ send warning letters etc etc, and licence holders would find the torrents, and look for the IP addresses of peers and seeders ( this is where a VPN would help you).  In the case of a seedbox, it is the server that is doing any up/downloading, you are not connected at all to the swarm and so your IP won't be exposed to anyone who has joined to collect IP addresses.  When you want to DL the files to your own computer, you connect directly to the private server(usually via HTTP or FTP at the max speed your home connection allows), not via BT or any other protocal where other people can join.  Technically it isnt absolutely impossible to trace, but there would be so many obstacles they would likely give up after finding that it's some server from a large data centre.  People acting on behalf of copyright holders usually only operate in a single country, so those acting for them in the USA where you live, would find some French/Dutch (or wherever your sever is physically) server and there's little they can do about that.  Oh did I mention that it's nearly always uploaders that they go for and you wouldn't have uploaded a damn thing

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Re: Warning from ISP
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2010, 03:58:42 AM »
Been torrenting like a crazy person for like 4 years, ISP has never given a shit, and I doubt they are likely to in the future. Never have had a DMCA(Well, none was ever forwarded to me, I'm not aware if my ISP ignored them).

Peerblock does not do shit. Getting a vpn is probably the safest bet. But no free 'vpn' will let you do bittorrent traffic through them, solely for the reason that traffic is /not/ cheap.
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Re: Warning from ISP
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2010, 09:38:47 AM »
I don't know about anyone who likes PeerBlock/PeerGuardian, but the mere fact that it blocks BBT's tracker by default is already a paranoia red flag to me.