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Help with computer build...
« on: January 07, 2011, 09:44:29 PM »
So I decided to build a new computer, my first computer actually. I'm aiming for a gaming and multimedia build to watch my HD and blu-ray stuff without any problem. So far I only found my graphic card and possibly motherboard, and since I have little to almost no knowledge about hardware, I don't know what's left or even if the graphic card and motherboard are good.

Graphic Card:
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3682#ov
Motherboard:
http://www.gigabyte.bz/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3499#ov
As for the processor, a friend of mine recommended me to get the 2.9 core 2 duo.
 
This is what my budget can get, I want to know what else should I get that will give me good to great performance and doesn't cost a fortune..

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Re: Help with computer build...
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2011, 11:08:51 PM »
Gigabyte boards are known for being pretty reliable, and that one looks no different. It all really depends on how much money you have to spend though. My worry with that mobo/processor is that it's beginning to get a little dated now, and you'd have to replace both components to upgrade (not to mention you're stuck with DDR2 RAM, though I think you CAN get 1200mhz DDR2 which ain't too shabby). As a "current" build, then it'll suit gaming just fine, but I'm not sure how long it'll take before it really becomes dated.

I couldn't find the motherboard online, but this similar one with the Core2Duo processor comes in at $175 from newegg whereas a bottom-of-the-barrel i3 (dual core processor at 3GHz) with a similar supported mobo costs $195. $20 gets you a slightly better system that can be upgraded more readily in the future, but tbh if you have the money I'd still get a better mobo than that. Things like a couple of 6GB/s SATA slots and support for faster DDR3 memory are surprisingly nice improvements for the price. Plus, excluding the PSU, it's probably the least likely component in the PC to mess up.

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Re: Help with computer build...
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2011, 11:51:58 PM »
GPU looks good..

only one thing though..
I suggest to get another motherboard that supports ddr3 and if possible usb 3.0 so you can upgrade parts without having to worry compatibility

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Re: Help with computer build...
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2011, 12:59:05 AM »
I'd recommend you get an LGA1156 mobo and a quad-core i5 if you are a bit worried about budget but still want good enough gaming performance, seeing the prices ros showed. Avoid Core2 and LGA775 boards as they are starting to get phased out (will probably be completely gone by the end of this year).

If an i5 is too much, you can always get the i3, which is mostly or all dual-core (i5 has some duals and some quads).

If you are seriously considering the one you linked, by now I would not pay more than $100 for it because it will be obsolete so soon. Getting it and a quad processor isn't a bad idea though, if you can live with the obsoleteness factor. In any case, make sure you go for one that is 45nm or 32nm (check Wikipedia for "list of <core model> processors" if you are unsure). The smaller the better, and 65nm was the standard two years ago.

Definitely try to find USB 3.0 and SATA III as others have pointed out, as those don't cause a huge increase in the price while offering expandability. If you want real performance, be sure to get an SSD with SATA III support (not a lot of those yet; and remember that you need a SATA III port to take full advantage of this). Even one with SATA II is already remarkable. SSDs are rather expensive though, so that's a tradeoff you'll have to decide on.

Anyway, if you are looking for smooth gaming with the newest games, you probably want the i5; i7 if you are willing to shell out the cash, which is on average ~$100 more. For not-so-new games, depends on the age - for the C4D age you probably want a quad or an i3. Older and a duo is probably okay. You'll have to weigh price with future expandability.

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Re: Help with computer build...
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2011, 02:34:02 AM »
Go for 1156, top it with an i5 or i3 as the CPU.
Wise choice for the GPU.
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Re: Help with computer build...
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2011, 02:49:56 AM »
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@Roven --

Do you mind just stating your total budget available?  As in, what can you spend to build the box.  Your purchase of monitor, keyboard, mouse & speakers would NOT be included.

Do you have any parts from other machines that can be scavenged? (case, hard drive, power supply, etc.)

Also, give examples of three or five of the most sophisticated games you intend to play on the system; these will set most of your CPU & GPU standards.

There are several recent threads in this Tech sub-forum for purchasing components for a system build: have you read through any of them ..?  In no particular order, here's a couple to get started (not all):

> Technology > Finally changing PC - but little help need.

> Technology > Good time to buy a new computer? O wait until the new sockets hit in Jan.

> Technology > Upgrading Video Cards

> Technology > New HDD



As mentioned above, I'd urge you to look at motherboards that support USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0 GB/s standards.  Pretty much all other modern features will fall into line if those are present.

If you're on a seriously tight budget, definitely look to the AMD processors.  On a more premium end: a Deneb Black Edition x4 core 965 @3.4 GHz or Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz would take care of most needs short of hard-core game rigs & aggressive video rendering duties.  Slightly more budget: Phenom II X2 565 Callisto 3.4GHz or Phenom II X2 555 Black Edition Callisto 3.2GHz

Advantage of the Deneb x4 cores is they can be substantially overclocked safely and easily for significant performance gains using fairly stock cooling.

You need:

 • a case
 • power supply (PSU, suggest 550 watts up to 700 watts)
 • motherboard
 • cpu
 • RAM (suggest DDR3 1600)
 • gpu (can be included on motherboard; upgrade later)
 • hard drive(s) - get an SSD for the OS and something else for large storage, if possible
 • DVD/CD burner player (this Asus kicks t3h @ss)
 • soundcard (can be included on mobo)
 • OEM builder's copy of your operating system (assume Win7? Which version?)
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Re: Help with computer build...
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2011, 07:16:18 AM »
There is no reason for getting Core 2 Duo today. Intel i3s and i5s out performs core 2 duos and cost either the same or a bit more then the core 2 duo. Also its a good idea to get a mobo that supports DDR3 and Sata 6Gbps for future devices.

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Re: Help with computer build...
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2011, 07:45:40 AM »
Last I recall, Roven was in the UAE? Pricey, pricey comps there if I recall correctly.
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Re: Help with computer build...
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2011, 03:12:09 PM »
Sry for late reply,

Ok, I think I'll change the CPU and possibly the motherboard too..

and the reason I didnt state any budget is because I'm not planning to shop online but locally so the prices may differ a little. But I'm planning on spending roughly about 900 US (I might throw in a little more) including monitor if possible not including case, mouse, keyboard, power supply, sound card and storage devices.

original build cost
GPU cost about 152 US
Motherboard 132 US (I think I'll change this, I might take vuzedome's suggestion)
ddr2 rams 53.33 US (ddr3 probably)
multi dvd driver 32 US
CPU 126 US (changing this as well, i3 or i5)

total: about 500 US

no idea about the prices of the motherboards and cpu suggested here but i'm going shopping tonight...

Ideas?
currently worrying about cpu and motherboard..


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Re: Help with computer build...
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2011, 04:07:48 PM »
Core i3 or i5, LGA1156 mobo.
That's what you should be looking for.
Price of an i3 would cost more or less the same as a high tier Core2Duo.
For i5, you might be pitching in another 50 bucks more than the i3.
Well all this depends on the model you pick, just go for the one you can squeeze into your budget.

Some tips about shopping with your body, don't grab everything you need right away, look around and compare the prices of all the hardware you'll be needing to build your system. Balance out the total and see what you need more and where you can reduce to get more.
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Re: Help with computer build...
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2011, 05:28:56 PM »
any idea how much it (motherboard) cost? and you link it?

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Re: Help with computer build...
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2011, 06:57:26 PM »
If your budget is hovering around the i3, I'd give the AMD options a lot more consideration.  Phenom x3's and x4's are available for that kind of money, maybe sliightly more for x4's and AM3 boards are generally better spec'd than the 1156 boards at the same price, it would free up cash for a more powerful CPU.  I wouldn't buy any board without SATA3 and USB3 these days, you may have no use for them now, but they are the way things are heading, USB2.0's limits have been holding back storage for a while and SATA2's limits are being reached now.  I don't think anyone has mentioned this, but support for USB3 in 1156 boards is not perfect, likely because Intel were making a competing product.  To get the full speed of USB 3.0 on my Asus 1156 board (p55) I'd have to change a setting in the BIOS which would take bandwith from my PCIE16x which would give less bandwith for my graphics card.  Might not affect you as you might not need the full speed of USB 3.0 in that build's useful lifetime and other manufacturers have used different work arounds, but AM3 boards do not have this problem.  If you want to go Intel (some people are quite loyal to Intel/nVidia) I'd avoid C2D's like everyone else mentioned, you end up paying more for less performance and would stick with i3's avoiding the dual core i5's completely unless you go for the quad core i5, the dual core i5's are pretty much the same as the i3's but higher clocked.  There are plenty of options on most motherboards which will clock any i3 to above and beyond the dual core i5 speeds with minimal effort - hell some are even windows programs (they're useless for all but very minor OC's though). 

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Re: Help with computer build...
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2011, 08:18:22 PM »
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I'm planning on spending roughly about 900 US (I might throw in a little more) including monitor if possible not including: case, mouse, keyboard, power supply, sound card and storage devices.

original build cost
GPU cost about 152 US
Motherboard 132 US (I think I'll change this, I might take vuzedome's suggestion)
ddr2 rams 53.33 US (ddr3 probably)
multi dvd driver 32 US
CPU 126 US (changing this as well, i3 or i5)

total: about 500 US

First off, I'm in the U.S. and newegg.com is my first go-to option.  So, it's difficult for me to understand what your local economy charges for items.  I'll do the best I can ...


You've now made a decision to go with a more modern mobo & CPU.  Can't quite tell if you are married to Intel, or why it might be necessary.  I mentioned in my previous post which CPUs I'd look at for a budget system, and the links show competitive prices in the U.S.

If you're getting an i3 CPU, then REALLY look toward the AMD option ... the combination of CPU + mobo will get you better performance for your money.  If you have enough budget to go with an i5, then you'll probably get more performance.  Thing is, the Intel mobos are also more pricey.

You need to think about overclocking, too.  Easier & more stable w/ AMD mobos ... and you'll also want to jump your RAM clock up, too


As far as the mobo goes, we now assume you'll look at ones that support USB 3.0/SATA III.  More decisions on that:  do you want one with no on-board video?  If you get one with video, you might find one with strong enough video to get you by for a while & you can buy a separate graphics card later (6 or 10 months from now) and upgrade.

What video capacity do you need?  What connections for your monitor (HDMI/digital/vga/etc.)?

What upgrade capacity ... as in, do you need to install PCI or PCIe cards?  How many & for what?  If you don't need any (beyond video expansion), you can look at microATX boards that are generally cheaper than full-sized ATX.  This will also affect your case & case cooling specifications.


Memory: up your budget a bit.  2 x 2 GB DDR3 (a 4GB kit) goes for just about $80.  Sometimes on specials can find it in the ~$65 range.  We assume you're going to run Windows 7 64-bit, which will eat a full GB of RAM just by itself.  I just did an install over Christmas where Win7 Home Premium 64-bit -- installed fairly lean -- was booting to ~880 MB RAM, and quickly jumped to 1.2 GB after installing patches and browsers and other very basic utilities (Avast! anti-virus, etc.).  If you try to get by on 2GB of RAM, you're going to run out.

Don't skimp on cheap RAM.  You can get DDR3 1600 w/ timing 9-9-9-24 sticks with CAS Latency 9, or you can try to get those numbers down, like CAS Latency 7 and timing 7-8-7-21 for improved performance.

Here's an excellent example ... and, look, the price is dropping fast because DDR3 1800 RAM is hitting the market in quantity:

 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231303

You can go with Corsair or OCZ or Kingston name brands, but GSkill Ripjaw series has a top reputation right now; all the performance and substantially lower price.


The DVD player I linked to goes for under $20 U.S.  Hopefully you can find it at a good price.


As far as hard drive(s) go: if you can find an affordable SSD that is 64 GB or 80 GB capacity, use that as your main OS installation & main applications drive.  It will seriously rock the performance of your system.  It's pretty much worth the price because what you are trying to save on CPU/mobo can be invested into this drive and gain back a LOT of performance.  A Win7 installation takes about 14 GB of space, so if you use that drive ONLY for applications that need it, a 64 GB drive is plenty large ... then invest in a 2 TB drive (a Western Digital Caviar Black or a Samsung F4 Spinpoint would be my top two choices today for secure reliability).

Here's another topic w/ discussion on hard drives & RAM:

> Technology > going for an overhaul

Especially pay attention to the read/write speeds of an SSD.  You can get an SSD that is SATA II and it will be PLENTY fast, but try to get the high-capacity mechanical drives w/ SATA III (6.0 GB/sec) interface.  Again, Western Digital Caviar Black edition is your friend.  This one is substantial enough in performance you could use it as your system drive and not get an SSD.

If you're on budget, then the Western Digital AV-GP series in 1.5 TB or 2 TB is looking like an excellent alternative, but it's more geared toward a data back-up drive and probably not best used as your OS install drive.


As you start to make decisions, this discussion can get more focused.

Also:  how much time do you have?  Are you going to piece this system over the next four to ten weeks?  You can generally shop around and find best deals.  If you want to build by end of the week, it'll be harder on your budget.
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Re: Help with computer build...
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2011, 03:18:16 AM »
any idea how much it (motherboard) cost? and you link it?
The LGA1156-p55 boards will cost just about the same as a mid-tier Core i3.
Pretty much all of the ones on shelve will have USB3 and SataIII but look first before you buy.

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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2011, 03:48:05 AM »
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Re: Help with computer build...
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2011, 04:56:04 AM »
Thx for help, I'll try to squeeze all this in my budget not that i'm gonna find all this in the market, not by usual means anyway  ;D

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Re: Help with computer build...
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2011, 11:56:33 PM »
Ok I've been looking around for three days now, here's what I got:
Motherboard (i'm not sure if it's the exact same model but pretty close)
Graphic Card (same one mentioned before)
CPU
2 x 2 GB DDR3

This is srsly what all I could squeeze in my budget right now if I want to get a monitor too.
But still, I can make some modification if necessary.

Hope I got this one right :-\

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Re: Help with computer build...
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2011, 01:18:15 AM »
looks like a pretty decent build for that one, can't comment on GPU though, not an nvidia fan

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Re: Help with computer build...
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2011, 03:50:16 AM »
That's a pretty intense-looking mobo. It's not every day you see an LGA1156 mobo with 6 RAM slots. I'd be careful though, the reviews on Newegg (click "Feedback") don't look pretty. It's also discontinued... I recommend you try another. Out of curiosity, were you gonna get this at a local retailer? How much were you going to pay for it?

That i3 model looks pretty damn good for its price. So this is definitely a keeper. Hope you're not paying much more than $125 for it if you're not buying from Newegg.

I can't comment on the video card either, not because I don't like NVidia, but because I'm not enough of an expert in that field.

Be sure to look up reviews on Newegg for everything you plan to get. It can really help you save time and money. Be cautious of RAM too.
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Re: Help with computer build...
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2011, 05:11:29 AM »
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Serious concern about the CPU/mobo compatibility:  the board specifically says it is for the i5/i7, but says nothing about the i3.

!! LOOK INT0 THAT IMMEDIATELY !!

I'm not an Intel guy, but I'm pretty certain the i3 takes one socket type and the i5/i7 take a different one ... that was the fundamental dividing line between the performance break on these chips.

The six RAM slots got me excited .. thought the board might handle triple channel (meaning, 3 x 2GB = 6GB, 3 x 4 GB =12 GB, 6 x 4 GB = 24 GB possibilities).  However, it states specifically that its dual channel.  Not really a bad thing, just that six slots is kinda wasted.  If you've got the manual, check & see if it can run triple channel mode ... you can get a nice performance tweak out of the board if it's supported triple channel NOT supported.

Problem is, though, I'm afraid you need to consider swapping the CPU for an i5, or swapping the mobo to support i3.

I hope I'm wrong ....


[ Edit: max supported memory is 16 GB.  So, that'd be (4 x 2 GB) plus (2 x 4 GB) = seems you either use 4 slots or two slots, not all six holy fuck it quite a bit more complicated than that.  Lots of other features on the mobo look excellent: audio, USB 3/SATA III, lots of PCIe and PCI slots, on-mobo RAID (you can put a SATA 6 GB/sec main drive for boot and RAID 4 SATA 3 GB/sec drives for storage, for example) ... looking at reviews.  Not many to go by, but looks like RAM compatibility is a nightmare (RESEARCH your RAM carefully; you'll need to get comfortable with your BIOS settings fast) & seems you can't can use all six slots simultaneously IF you area memory god ... well, definitely read the feedback reviews at newegg.  There's a lot of information there that will help you understand the board and try to trouble-shoot it.

Looks like if you get a good board, it is some serious win ... but, you may not have a very smooth plug-and-play configuration and, clearly, some boards have issues and you'll need to do most of the troubleshooting yourself.

Hmmm.  If the i3/mobo combination is incompatible and you must replace one or the other, it seems looking for a better mobo would be a wise choice. ]

[ EDIT^2:  This is not a mobo for n00bz.  I'm looking at a number of tweaks required (you need to flash the BIOS to version F6 (at least) for full Win7 64-bit compatibility before you even start) and limitations on USB 3 & SATA III bandwidth ... you'll need to be technically literate on mobos and read the user manual and be prepared to Figure It Out.  Looking at some of the responses from Gigabyte "support," arrogance appears to be part of their job description.  Complete lack of sympathy for customers ... seriously: how can you berate a customer for not reading the ENTIRE user manual on the board before deciding to purchase it because there's all sorts of hidden tech info and explanations in it that Gigabyte doesn't post with their product description?

This product was not ready for distribution and should never have been marketed to the general public.  It's for l337 933ks 0nly. ]
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