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World of Tanks
« on: January 16, 2011, 02:06:48 AM »
Game: World of Tanks


Genre: WWII MMO-style Tank Simulator
Release Date: Unknown (Closed Beta)
About: World of Tanks is a team-based massively multiplayer online game dedicated to armored warfare in the mid-20th century. Throw yourself into epic tank battles shoulder to shoulder with other steel cowboys to dominate the world with tank supremacy!

An advanced system of vehicle upgrade and development allows you to try out the vehicles and weapons featured in the game. Whether you prefer to exhaust your foes with fast and maneuverable light tanks, punch deep into enemy lines with all-purpose medium tanks, use the power of heavy tanks to eliminate opposing forces, or become a high-powered sniper using long-range artillery, each unit type is extremely lethal and effective when commanded by a true tank ace.

It takes more than just being a great tank commander to win. In World of Tanks, it's all about teamwork. Victory can only be achieved through the combined efforts of every member of the team, each playing their own role on the battlefield.

Taken From: http://www.worldoftanks.com/about.html


My opinions: I just signed up for the Closed Beta just a few minutes ago. I doubt I will get a Beta Key, but we will see. First and foremost, I will say that I LOVE tanks. I grew up playing MechWarrior series and using team based strategies with mechs and big robots. When the Xbox 360 had Chromehounds released for the system, that turned into my most favorite game oh 5v5 mech gameplay. Now this game brings you to control your VERY OWN WW2 tank in a 30v30 battles with varies different tank types. You can have light, medium, heavy, tank destroyer, and Siege type tanks, each with their own strengths and weaknesses in teamplay and against other tanks (i.e. a camping tank destroyer can effectively take out tanks from a fixed "sniper position", but cannot keep up with a light tank who is within close range because of the lack of 360 degree barrel on tank destroyers).  Not only do you get to have more than one tank, you can customize everything you want on the tank from the type of armor, engine, tank gun, shell types, turret, radio, and the type of treads. When you do go into battle, you can either be randomly matched up with the other 59 people, or you can go into battle with friends and clan members. On top of all that, there is a persistent "front" war that you battle in to gain territories... So the game mechanics are just like how Chromehound Multiplayer worked on the Xbox 360. I cannot WAIT for this game to be released whatsoever, and I wish I would get a BETA key to play it as well.

P.S. Here is the tank I want to use first!
http://game.worldoftanks.com/encyclopedia/germany/heavyTank/pzvib-tiger-ii

And here is a video to intrigue you all about the game. This is all the Heavy Tanks (which is the class I will try to be heading towards first when I get my hands on the game). Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM1d0X0f6dE&feature=related

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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2011, 02:38:44 AM »
I'm guessing this is not a realist WWII tank simulation game, which I've been awaiting for a while now.


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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2011, 02:42:55 AM »
I'm guessing this is not a realist WWII tank simulation game, which I've been awaiting for a while now.

That's where your wrong! It is realistic to the degree that your tank crews get experience through battle and what not. It's realistic to the physics, destructible everything in the maps, heavy tanks are obviously a lot slower than light tanks, tank destroyers don't have 360 degree turrets, artillery is kinda like BF1942 Scout/Long range tank combo mechanics, and... and the coolest thing is that if a tank shell hits you in a certain spot, that spot shows the hole that shell made. Quite a realistic simulation with obvious arcade elements implemented.

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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2011, 02:53:44 AM »
I'm guessing this is not a realist WWII tank simulation game, which I've been awaiting for a while now.

That's where your wrong! It is realistic to the degree that your tank crews get experience through battle and what not. It's realistic to the physics, destructible everything in the maps, heavy tanks are obviously a lot slower than light tanks, tank destroyers don't have 360 degree turrets, artillery is kinda like BF1942 Scout/Long range tank combo mechanics, and... and the coolest thing is that if a tank shell hits you in a certain spot, that spot shows the hole that shell made. Quite a realistic simulation with obvious arcade elements implemented.

It's realistic to the point where my tiger I is only armed with a 7.5 cm KwK 42 L/70 instead of the actual armament of a 8.8 cm KwK 36 L/56? 


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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2011, 02:59:18 AM »
I'm guessing this is not a realist WWII tank simulation game, which I've been awaiting for a while now.

That's where your wrong! It is realistic to the degree that your tank crews get experience through battle and what not. It's realistic to the physics, destructible everything in the maps, heavy tanks are obviously a lot slower than light tanks, tank destroyers don't have 360 degree turrets, artillery is kinda like BF1942 Scout/Long range tank combo mechanics, and... and the coolest thing is that if a tank shell hits you in a certain spot, that spot shows the hole that shell made. Quite a realistic simulation with obvious arcade elements implemented.

It's realistic to the point where my tiger I is only armed with a 7.5 cm KwK 42 L/70 instead of the actual armament of a 8.8 cm KwK 36 L/56? 

http://game.worldoftanks.com/encyclopedia/germany/heavyTank/pzvi

It's an upgrade system. You can most definitely put an 8.8 cm KwK 36 L/56 gun on it... you can even go up to the 10.5 cm KwK 42 L/28.

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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2011, 04:02:09 AM »
I'm guessing this is not a realist WWII tank simulation game, which I've been awaiting for a while now.

No, it is indeed not.

And TMRNetShark, please don't label it is as a tank simulator. I have served in an armored battalion and it hurts seing how an arcade game is labeled as a "simulator".

The fact that tanks are upgradable does not add to realism, indeed in WW2 it was rarelly the case. Tank models were upgraded, not so much the tanks themselves.

Here is a gameplay video of the so called "simulator":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9cexbcmlcM
Because we all know that in real life tank commanders see their tanks from 3rd person view  ::)

I have myself been looking for real tank simulators and the closest thing to it was actually Op Flashpoint, ArmA and ArmA 2 games. Here is a video of what a tank simulator is supposed to be like (in multiplayer too, epic!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4rCd8wDhmg

After all it takes 4 people to crew one tank (3 on Russian tanks). However no WW2 tank simulators as far as I know.
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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2011, 04:25:04 AM »
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Quite a realistic simulation with obvious arcade elements implemented.

It's a simulator in a sense that you get to control a vehicle of some kind (in this case, a tank), which becomes your platform to upgrade and modify to use in battle. The gameplay of it (third person view, auto reloading, etc... all the stuff that make it a game) is arcade... but the realism starts with the tank physics... how each tank is hit with different sized shells or are even rammed by bigger tanks... how a bigger tank would take more time to get up a hill than a light tank... how actual group tank tactics work in a match to defeat the other side... is all quite simulation like. Maybe simulation would be a wrong word (because... you know how people are strictly technical about everything  ::)), but I guess I would call is a Tactical Arcade Tank MMO... or shorten into I don't give a flying hoot what you call the game or care about the realism of it, if you wanna come in here and troll about a game you don't even care about, then why even post in the first place?

Oh wait, look look! See the first link in the original post? Click it and see what it says quoted right here...
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Simulation. Unique models and vehicle characteristics, historically authentic in every minute detail to the actual tanks and prototypes of World War II, wrap you up in furious armored offensives that emulate the tank battles of the period.

Oh noes! They said simulation... maybe you should sue the Russians that made the game for calling it a Simulation. I mean, I agree with you, a simulation is just that, a complete simulation of whatever you are driving or embodying. Flight Simulator (the vast amounts of games that they've made) are almost all simulators. But think of it, this is an MMO game centered around upgrading and fighting with your tanks along comrades with team based tactics. The simulation isn't in the tanks themselves, but in the strategy used to win at tank warfare. You said you were in a tank battalion? Why would you not want to play a game that involves tactical thinking with the different type of machines that you and your squad have all built? Who cares if it's not exactly how someone would drive a tank, but judging by the videos, it looks really fun to play.

Or maybe I'm just talking to a wall when it comes to you, in which case... please don't ruin a thread because you don't like the game.


EDIT: For anyone who wants to get in on a the Closed Beta... go here: http://www.shatteredcrystal.com/index.php/world_of_tanks

Got mine and I'm gonna start playing!
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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2011, 04:45:13 AM »
I'm guessing this is not a realist WWII tank simulation game, which I've been awaiting for a while now.

No, it is indeed not.

And TMRNetShark, please don't label it is as a tank simulator. I have served in an armored battalion and it hurts seing how an arcade game is labeled as a "simulator".

The fact that tanks are upgradable does not add to realism, indeed in WW2 it was rarelly the case. Tank models were upgraded, not so much the tanks themselves.

Here is a gameplay video of the so called "simulator":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9cexbcmlcM
Because we all know that in real life tank commanders see their tanks from 3rd person view  ::)

I have myself been looking for real tank simulators and the closest thing to it was actually Op Flashpoint, ArmA and ArmA 2 games. Here is a video of what a tank simulator is supposed to be like (in multiplayer too, epic!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4rCd8wDhmg

After all it takes 4 people to crew one tank (3 on Russian tanks). However no WW2 tank simulators as far as I know.

Red Orchestra is the best simulation game I've ever played.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orZLIUKjTZQ&feature=related

I'm guessing this is not a realist WWII tank simulation game, which I've been awaiting for a while now.

That's where your wrong! It is realistic to the degree that your tank crews get experience through battle and what not. It's realistic to the physics, destructible everything in the maps, heavy tanks are obviously a lot slower than light tanks, tank destroyers don't have 360 degree turrets, artillery is kinda like BF1942 Scout/Long range tank combo mechanics, and... and the coolest thing is that if a tank shell hits you in a certain spot, that spot shows the hole that shell made. Quite a realistic simulation with obvious arcade elements implemented.

It's realistic to the point where my tiger I is only armed with a 7.5 cm KwK 42 L/70 instead of the actual armament of a 8.8 cm KwK 36 L/56?  

http://game.worldoftanks.com/encyclopedia/germany/heavyTank/pzvi

It's an upgrade system. You can most definitely put an 8.8 cm KwK 36 L/56 gun on it... you can even go up to the 10.5 cm KwK 42 L/28.

Which furthers my point, as that weapon was never mountable on the tiger, and I cannot even find the wiki page on it.

Without gyro stabilizers, firing a tank on the move is not feasible.  Only the best gunners could hit targets on the move, and even then only the best of the best could do it consistently (Wittman).

My friend from Ukraine has some German ammunition from WW2, his grandfather recovered it from Kursk.

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Quite a realistic simulation with obvious arcade elements implemented.

It's a simulator in a sense that you get to control a vehicle of some kind (in this case, a tank), which becomes your platform to upgrade and modify to use in battle. The gameplay of it (third person view, auto reloading, etc... all the stuff that make it a game) is arcade... but the realism starts with the tank physics... how each tank is hit with different sized shells or are even rammed by bigger tanks... how a bigger tank would take more time to get up a hill than a light tank... how actual group tank tactics work in a match to defeat the other side... is all quite simulation like. Maybe simulation would be a wrong word (because... you know how people are strictly technical about everything  ::)), but I guess I would call is a Tactical Arcade Tank MMO... or shorten into I don't give a flying hoot what you call the game or care about the realism of it, if you wanna come in here and troll about a game you don't even care about, then why even post in the first place?

Oh wait, look look! See the first link in the original post? Click it and see what it says quoted right here...
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Simulation. Unique models and vehicle characteristics, historically authentic in every minute detail to the actual tanks and prototypes of World War II, wrap you up in furious armored offensives that emulate the tank battles of the period.

Oh noes! They said simulation... maybe you should sue the Russians that made the game for calling it a Simulation. I mean, I agree with you, a simulation is just that, a complete simulation of whatever you are driving or embodying. Flight Simulator (the vast amounts of games that they've made) are almost all simulators. But think of it, this is an MMO game centered around upgrading and fighting with your tanks along comrades with team based tactics. The simulation isn't in the tanks themselves, but in the strategy used to win at tank warfare. You said you were in a tank battalion? Why would you not want to play a game that involves tactical thinking with the different type of machines that you and your squad have all built? Who cares if it's not exactly how someone would drive a tank, but judging by the videos, it looks really fun to play.

Or maybe I'm just talking to a wall when it comes to you, in which case... please don't ruin a thread because you don't like the game.

Do you know NOTHING about tank warfare?  Charging straight into enemy lines will get you completely destroyed, even with superior numbers.

"In 1942 and 1943 , the Allies consistently lost armoured battles in the North African desert due to improper tactics; in particular, running armoured formations into opposing anti-tank positions."

Purely tank on tank combat rarely happened.  The German doctrine of combined arms and Blitzkrieg meant that the tanks always had support, at least before the Ardennes  in "44

In fact, no one operated without combined arms with their tanks.  The Americans failed miserably at the Kesserine Pass.  The only time tanks operated without support was to exploit breakthroughs, or to quickly cut off enemies IE the encirclement of Kiev.

One of the only are tank battles was at at Prokhorovka when the Soviets rushed to prevent a critical German breakthrough.


Read up on your tactics.


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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2011, 05:18:23 AM »
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OMG, it's a game. If I wanted real life tank warfare... I would buy my own tank. Even so, watch a video or two of the gameplay. You will discover that firing the gun while moving makes your aim suck in the game. Customization options are for the purpose of the game and to keep it interesting. Plus when did I say anything about tactics in the game?? You are saying I do not know my tank tactics? Oh wait, I didn't saying anything about actual tactics, just that you gotta use 'em in game. And guess what, if you watched some videos of the gameplay, you will see how the combat actually works! Oh, hehe, that's right, you just assumed what the game would be like... They people who win ARE the ones that are entrenched at their bases while the enemy comes into their fixed assault vantage points.

Clearly, no one wants to play this game here... oh well.

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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2011, 07:30:17 AM »
Or maybe I'm just talking to a wall when it comes to you, in which case... please don't ruin a thread because you don't like the game.

EDIT: For anyone who wants to get in on a the Closed Beta... go here: http://www.shatteredcrystal.com/index.php/world_of_tanks

Got mine and I'm gonna start playing!

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Clearly, no one wants to play this game here... oh well.

You misunderstand me. Personally I have always had an opinion that gameplay > realism. Actually I think this game looks really fun, but in the end it is an arcade game with tactical elements. I just disagree with the whole simulation labeling, because it gives the wrong expectations. I mean even in counter-strike people used tactical approach, that doesn't make a game a "simulation".

Also I have known about this game for some time... after all their intro was ripped of by Global Agenda over one year ago. I will most certainly try to get a beta key as the game does seem fun. However just to stress how not simulation genre it is, I will admit that my real life experience will not be relevant much.


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Do you know NOTHING about tank warfare?  Charging straight into enemy lines will get you completely destroyed, even with superior numbers.
The only exception is when Russians used their tanks to ram Tigers as that was more effective, than firing at them. Do you want a very short summary of NATO doctrine used in tank warfare today? Basically it is move to a position that covers as much as possible of the tank hull, find a target, shoot at it, pop smoke if needed and go at full speed at reverse and pick a new position. However as TMR said it is a game, and since it is not even a sim game, we can ignore real life strategy, the fact that tanks were not upgraded in that RPG style like in the game and just relax and have fun.

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You want to use a Königstiger as a first tank? I bet they will make it so you don't have enough credits for it in the beginning, right? I myself will go for T-34 first, best tank in all history according to people who like to call themselves experts.
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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2011, 02:59:42 PM »

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You want to use a Königstiger as a first tank? I bet they will make it so you don't have enough credits for it in the beginning, right? I myself will go for T-34 first, best tank in all history according to people who like to call themselves experts.

Sadly, I gotta run the flag up again and say that this is a game... real experts and all that cannot be really applied to a game. I wish it did, and the T-34 was a crude tank that was built fast, it was easy to make, and there were A LOT of them. In the game though, the T-34 only has 400 Hit Points starting out while the Tiger II has 1400 Hit points. It would take the T-34 around 8-9 shots from it's best upgraded gun and hitting only in the sides or the rear of the Tiger II. On the other hand, the Tiger II can hit you anywhere with any gun/shell combo in 2 shots you'd be dead... but obviously lacks the reload speed of the T-34 (6-8 reloads per minute versus 11-18 reloads per minute on the T-34). Obvious disadvantage that the T-34 has in armor and pure firepower, makes up for it in speed (56 km/h in the T-36 and only 28 km/h in the Tiger II) and transverse speed (37 degrees/second versus 27 degrees/second). This means the Tiger II can take out a T-34 easily at long range, but if the T-34 sneaks up and/or flanks the Tiger II, the T-34 can run circles around the Tiger II without that big as gun ever being able to hit you while you pound away at it with your tank. It's a nice little system and all the other tank classes are just as equal in their stats, it's just how you use your tanks that matter.

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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2011, 04:13:17 PM »
Is there any advantage to playing a Medium tank over a heavy?  I'd like to drive the Panzerkampfwagen IV.


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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2011, 04:26:47 PM »
Is there any advantage to playing a Medium tank over a heavy?  I'd like to drive the Panzerkampfwagen IV.

Yes actually! My above post stated the advantages/disadvantages of a Medium Tank versus a Heavy Tank. Basically a Heavy Tank is good at hitting anything at far ranges. Medium tanks rely on fast moving tracks and a good sized gun to flank and coordinate with other tanks to take out targets. Light tanks are used for scouting and spotting for Artillery tanks to take out Heavy and Medium tanks with ease. Lastly, tank destroyers are good at hitting anything, but only from a fixed position and a narrow 60 degree barrel angle.

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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2011, 05:10:43 PM »
Sadly, I gotta run the flag up again and say that this is a game... real experts and all that cannot be really applied to a game....

Actually as they showed in the linked video, it was voted as "best", for more than just it's quality, they took into account rapid production, quantity and other factors that are simply irrelevant in this game. If you look at the real life factors that are relevant to the game like armour thickness and other specs, indeed a Königstiger is the best WW2 tank that was produced.

So far I am researching Russian tech, so I skipped heavy tank branch and concentrating on medium tank and artillery. I actually get some good kills with it.

Oh and by the way here is one advantage of light tanks, they are so fast (about 55kph), that if you try to shoot my tank with autoaim feature on a moderate distance, you will miss. If you try to shoot me at short range, your turret will not turn fast enough. If I stop for some reason, I am dead.

Anywho feel free to add me in games contact list, my nick is Xmasbeer. I am still only at tier 2 tanks though.
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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2011, 06:21:50 PM »
I just started to play right now (since this is the first time I have free to play the game for a nice period of time. In game name is TMRNetShark. hahah

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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2011, 07:14:43 PM »
Worst thing is that after the Beta ends, there comes an hardwipe, and i cant see myself going over everything again...

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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2011, 07:41:59 PM »
Hm, why are some tanks rendered completely obsolete by others?


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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2011, 08:03:33 PM »
Because tanks have heavy armor and artillery doesn't? However if you use light weapons on a heavy tank it will give no effect....

Besides I have only seen tanks one tier higher or lower than mine, so it shouldn't be imbalanced.
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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2011, 08:42:42 PM »
Because tanks have heavy armor and artillery doesn't? However if you use light weapons on a heavy tank it will give no effect....

Besides I have only seen tanks one tier higher or lower than mine, so it shouldn't be imbalanced.

That starts to happen when you hit tier 6+
When you are in a T6 Heavy... and you come against IS-7s and Maus's and you jsut know you are fucked :3

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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2011, 04:18:42 AM »
Why is my Pz.III getting matched with IS and Tigers?


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