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Offline jbsoum

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Re: Otaku Media Manager!!!
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2011, 01:11:03 AM »
I don't think that'll be a very good idea, seeing as this is just a remux for myself, I can't call it a "release". And if everyone who remux stuff do that, won't anidb be cluttered with these personal remux?

Agreed, I wouldn't want to see AniDB cluttered with fake releases. There are future plans for adding based on folder and file name if the hash doesn't recognize the files. However, there is currently a way to add to the database even if the hash isn't recognized

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Re: Otaku Media Manager!!!
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2011, 01:51:06 AM »
Hmm, this one looks like it might actually be more useful than my manually-symlinked system.

Currently we are developing version 3 which is another major step up. We're calling it the otaku media manager and it will be a standalone program which allows clients to talk to it, eg a mediaportal client, a iPhone client, a web client, a normal desktop client, etc.. otakumm media manager will be a complete replacement to aom for people who just want an organizer, and with the help we're getting from the anidb.net devs it won't be to long before we get the first release out.
It would be really nice if you wrote this to be cross-platform.  If you have to stick with C#, at least test it with Mono, please.  My HTPC is currently running Windows (because getting blurays to work in Linux is a PITA), but it won't always, and I'd like to use this on my other machines, if I like it as much as I think I might.  The actual files are stored on a Linux fileserver, anyways, so for performance's sake I'd rather do the file hashing on there.

I can't commit time to writing patches, but I certainly would run from subversion and provide early-adopter feedback.

is there a feature request page anywhere.
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Re: Otaku Media Manager!!!
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2011, 01:56:44 AM »

Agreed, I wouldn't want to see AniDB cluttered with fake releases. There are future plans for adding based on folder and file name if the hash doesn't recognize the files. However, there is currently a way to add to the database even if the hash isn't recognized
Yeah I found out how to do it, but it's rather tedious to do :P Still quite nice, I'm using it with KMPlayer as an external player (I'm not gonna use MPC-HC GUI on MediaPortal), works pretty good. There are some minor additions I'd like to see though.

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Re: Otaku Media Manager!!!
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2011, 03:53:04 AM »
Yeah I found out how to do it, but it's rather tedious to do :P Still quite nice, I'm using it with KMPlayer as an external player (I'm not gonna use MPC-HC GUI on MediaPortal), works pretty good. There are some minor additions I'd like to see though.


Well, if you have requests, there is the forum on otakumm.com, there's the google code site, there's the mediaportal thread for myanime2, and there's the #myanime channel on Rizon. Take your pick :P

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Re: Otaku Media Manager!!!
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2011, 06:45:41 AM »
hey peeps,

I see the interest in our little project is growing. i would like to thank jbsoum of ahq for introducing this to you guys. I myself have been a member of boxtorrents for years, and as such, would like to thank the community for keeping this place so great.

@datora
When i made the website, i never really thought about people thinking it wasnt opensource. I'll have to make that more clear. Same with the privacy issues. I'll update the site to reflect your concerns. As of current, the only info we get from our users is part of the community recommendations feature and the caching of anidb queries, both which can be turned off.

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hey reecee!

To people wondering about manual encodes, yes you can add them in. Just have them in one of the anime folders you specify and it will show up as an unrecognized file. Those can then be manually assigned to episodes.
On a side note; please do not add custom encodes to anidb, unless you plan to make them public. see the anidb rules for details.

For external players. We use the mediaportal media "subsystem". If you tell mp to use an external player, then the plugin will use that. Look through the mediaportal forums for ways to use external plugins. Personally when i want to use it like external player, i tell mp to go into windowed mode. That way i can drag it across the desktop like a player. alt+enter is the shortcut key to do that.

I would like to thank everyone who tries out our plugin. If you do find issues with it, please tell us. If we can get it to be liked by as many people as possible, then we will be happy people.

I forgot to add, i personally like the idea of the hashing been done locally as an external program that talks back to the core. that should help with your linux nas. that wont be around tho untill omm is released.
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Re: Otaku Media Manager!!!
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2011, 07:57:31 AM »
I used to use it a bit but quit due to finding Mediaportal (and all other media center software) to be crap. I just don't understand how people can recommend these slow, clunky and buggy things.

So personally I am really looking forward to OMM becoming standalone. A program that can organize anime like AOM but also provide posters, description and ratings in a nice package that is made to be navigated by mouse and not an unpractical and slow remote (I have yet to see a interface made to be controlled by a remote that is fast to use).
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Re: Otaku Media Manager!!!
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2011, 08:35:28 AM »
I used to use it a bit but quit due to finding Mediaportal (and all other media center software) to be crap. I just don't understand how people can recommend these slow, clunky and buggy things.

So personally I am really looking forward to OMM becoming standalone. A program that can organize anime like AOM but also provide posters, description and ratings in a nice package that is made to be navigated by mouse and not an unpractical and slow remote (I have yet to see a interface made to be controlled by a remote that is fast to use).

Well, personally, I like the media center interface because it's something I can enjoy from my couch comfortably. Now, for someone that is browsing their collection from a computer, I can see how it would seem unnecessary to use a media center. I think that's why bobe1 is making it a standalone program, but at the same time, I'm glad he's maintaining the mediaportal plugin.

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Re: Otaku Media Manager!!!
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2011, 08:08:30 AM »
oh wow. I never knew that someone will make SAME app like my - But my app dont use hash, it only use file name + folder name. If Folder Name have same name as File then its like "verficated" name of anime and the app search for that name on "automatic" mode. When folder =/= file then there is search with manual pick up by file name. The hash search look cool - and I like the way it show up the covers etc - my personal project aint that good.

It's funny that someone made something similar. What database you use for storage? Mine use SQLite, was thinking about XML but wanted to check how SQLite is doing on C# :)

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And i dont use anidb for data resource - and sadly i need to say that anidb alot of time count specials as main anime. Like if anime have 24 eps + 2 specials, anidb give result 26, that I didnt like. I use MAL, not allways the best but is ok.
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Re: Otaku Media Manager!!!
« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2011, 09:05:57 AM »
I used to use it a bit but quit due to finding Mediaportal (and all other media center software) to be crap. I just don't understand how people can recommend these slow, clunky and buggy things.

So personally I am really looking forward to OMM becoming standalone. A program that can organize anime like AOM but also provide posters, description and ratings in a nice package that is made to be navigated by mouse and not an unpractical and slow remote (I have yet to see a interface made to be controlled by a remote that is fast to use).

Well, personally, I like the media center interface because it's something I can enjoy from my couch comfortably. Now, for someone that is browsing their collection from a computer, I can see how it would seem unnecessary to use a media center. I think that's why bobe1 is making it a standalone program, but at the same time, I'm glad he's maintaining the mediaportal plugin.
I also mean browsing from my couch. The mouse works perfectly on the top of the back of the couch and is at least 10 times faster than using a remote.
The main reason I tested it was for our anime club where we often don't know what to watch so having posters and stuff is a great help in deciding but in the end it was just so unpractical. For example the built in mediaplayer was not very good, you could use an external one but if you did that you would need both mouse and remote because the media centers have bad mouse support and external media players like MPC-HC has bad remote support.
The interface speed problems where compounded by the fact that we used an underpowered computer (Atom/ION based nettop) but it was slow even on my main computer.

But I digress, some people prefer a good looking interface over a fast one and others prefer the opposite.
Take note of that OMM devs, for the standalone program make sure you focus on practicality and speed over looks. You already have the plugin for those that prefer the later.
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Re: Otaku Media Manager!!!
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2011, 09:16:09 AM »
I have a question, why did you choose to go with "Otaku Media Manager"? If you chose something more unique, then there's a chance people would be able to tell your app from the tons of others out there?

I doubt I'd ever use one though since I haven't seen enough redeeming points to warrant a change.

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Re: Otaku Media Manager!!!
« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2011, 09:32:31 AM »
I have a question, why did you choose to go with "Otaku Media Manager"? If you chose something more unique, then there's a chance people would be able to tell your app from the tons of others out there?

I doubt I'd ever use one though since I haven't seen enough redeeming points to warrant a change.

To elaborate, why did you have to label it as otaku, a derogatory term in Japan?  ;D
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Offline jbsoum

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Re: Otaku Media Manager!!!
« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2011, 09:59:12 PM »

I also mean browsing from my couch. The mouse works perfectly on the top of the back of the couch and is at least 10 times faster than using a remote.
The main reason I tested it was for our anime club where we often don't know what to watch so having posters and stuff is a great help in deciding but in the end it was just so unpractical. For example the built in mediaplayer was not very good, you could use an external one but if you did that you would need both mouse and remote because the media centers have bad mouse support and external media players like MPC-HC has bad remote support.
The interface speed problems where compounded by the fact that we used an underpowered computer (Atom/ION based nettop) but it was slow even on my main computer.

But I digress, some people prefer a good looking interface over a fast one and others prefer the opposite.
Take note of that OMM devs, for the standalone program make sure you focus on practicality and speed over looks. You already have the plugin for those that prefer the later.

I don't know how much you've tried messing around with it, but the default MediaPortal player is customizable. I didn't like the idea of an external player when using a media center, either. However, in the MediaPortal config, I was able to tell MP to use MPC to render video, audio, and subtitles, and video playback has improved greatly since then. Actually, last night I tried using ffdshow for video rendering, and so far, I'm pleased.

Even still, I do think that a standalone OMM designed around a keyboard and mouse is a must, since I know a lot of my friends that would feel silly using a remote to watch anime on their laptop screen. I do feel that if you want to use a remote, media centers are the way to go, even if the technology isn't perfect yet.

I know that the MP-TV Series plugin has some nifty features that allow users to browse large collections quickly. For example, being able to scroll through a list with a page up/ page down function (MyAnime has this). Also, if you already know the name of something you want to watch, you can use the number-pad on a remote to scroll through alphabetically (MyAnime does not have this, but they may implement it soon).


I doubt I'd ever use one though since I haven't seen enough redeeming points to warrant a change.

The one thing I really like about this plugin is that it's not invasive. So, if you wanted to try it, it's not like you would have to alter your collection in any way. I've been setting up an HTPC for awhile now, and most media managers require a certain setup in which each folder has to be named a certain way, and each file has to be named a certain way. So, oftentimes, I would find myself renaming thousands of files to get them recognized in a media manager. Even MP-TV Series suffers from this fault (well, it has to, because there does not exist a database of CRCs of shows that aren't anime :P ). All you have to do is install it, show MyAnime where your anime is, and enter your AniDB account info, and then it does the rest. If you don't like it, you just uninstall it, and everything is as it was before.

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Re: Otaku Media Manager!!!
« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2011, 11:43:31 PM »
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Also, if you already know the name of something you want to watch, you can use the number-pad on a remote to scroll through alphabetically (MyAnime does not have this, but they may implement it soon)

Actually we do have the numberpad searching. We call it sms mode searching. We also have standard keyboard searching. Just press ctrl+m to change mode. The plugin will narrow down your anime to shows that match as you type.

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Re: Otaku Media Manager!!!
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2011, 02:50:28 AM »
It's great stuff, but I think I'll just stick to my folder system until it is a bit more refined.


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Re: Otaku Media Manager!!!
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2011, 11:13:49 PM »
Might consider this if it becomes a standalone application. But for now, I'll idle in the IRC chan.

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Re: Otaku Media Manager!!!
« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2011, 07:31:58 AM »
@AceHigh
Lol. Your right with otaku being a negative in japan, and not just restricted to anime. Outside of japan tho otaku is only understood by, well anime/manga fans, and isnt a negative. It also has a very distinct meaning, that being a fan of anime. On that note, otaku works in the name since it highlights that this tool is for people who collect anime. If you don't consider yourself an anime collector, theres no point having it, and if you do, this tool is built for you. The media manager part was to point out that we dont want to be restricted to just anime. OST's, manga, pictures, etc..

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« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2011, 06:00:02 PM »
@AceHigh
Lol. Your right with otaku being a negative in japan, and not just restricted to anime. Outside of japan tho otaku is only understood by, well anime/manga fans, and isnt a negative. It also has a very distinct meaning, that being a fan of anime. On that note, otaku works in the name since it highlights that this tool is for people who collect anime. If you don't consider yourself an anime collector, theres no point having it, and if you do, this tool is built for you. The media manager part was to point out that we dont want to be restricted to just anime. OST's, manga, pictures, etc..

Or if you collect anime you could make your own program for needs - but if you dont have the skill otaku is there for you ;)
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Re: Otaku Media Manager!!!
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2011, 07:03:31 PM »
@AceHigh
Lol. Your right with otaku being a negative in japan, and not just restricted to anime. Outside of japan tho otaku is only understood by, well anime/manga fans, and isnt a negative. It also has a very distinct meaning, that being a fan of anime. On that note, otaku works in the name since it highlights that this tool is for people who collect anime. If you don't consider yourself an anime collector, theres no point having it, and if you do, this tool is built for you. The media manager part was to point out that we dont want to be restricted to just anime. OST's, manga, pictures, etc..

Or if you collect anime you could make your own program for needs - but if you dont have the skilltime otaku is there for you ;)
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Offline bobe1

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Re: Otaku Media Manager!!!
« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2011, 12:32:54 AM »
Lol. Yes time is more appropriate.

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Re: Otaku Media Manager!!!
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2011, 10:00:22 AM »
@AceHigh
Lol. Your right with otaku being a negative in japan, and not just restricted to anime. Outside of japan tho otaku is only understood by, well anime/manga fans, and isnt a negative. It also has a very distinct meaning, that being a fan of anime. On that note, otaku works in the name since it highlights that this tool is for people who collect anime. If you don't consider yourself an anime collector, theres no point having it, and if you do, this tool is built for you. The media manager part was to point out that we dont want to be restricted to just anime. OST's, manga, pictures, etc..

I know the meaning in western culture (as obscure as it is), it was a joke.

Here is a suggestion though, I don't only watch anime, could you make a similar support for western entertainment linked to imdb for us who also collect movies and series? If that was the case, it would be a must for more than just eh.... otaku...  :)
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