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Are you bilingual?
JoonasTo:
--- Quote from: Soryon on February 06, 2011, 05:10:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: 1000mAh on February 06, 2011, 05:02:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Soryon on February 06, 2011, 04:52:48 PM ---I don't mind, I am kinda glad actually. It puts me a step above the rest ;)
Honestly tho, its more about where in the US that you live / what school district you went to.
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haha, you getthesame education anywhere in Finland. Yhe subhects youmust study; Finnish (9 years), Swedish (3 yesr, 5 years is possible), English (7 years), Math (9 years), Biology (9 years), Geography (9 years), Chemistry (5 years), Physics (5 years), Home-economics (3 years), P.E. (9 years), Crafts (7 years), World History (4 years), Civics (1 year), Religion (9 years) & Arts (9 years). And those arejust the studies you must do :P
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The thing with America is that it is fucking huge compared to other countries. Going to another country in Europe is to us like simply going to another state. That, coupled with the probability that a student will ever have a need to leave the country being slim, leads to different emphasis being placed on certain subjects.
To tie this in with the topic- There is very little need for an American to learn any other language aside from maybe Spanish.
Also, 9 years of religion? wut? Unless the school you attend is a private religious school, you would catch a law suit for trying to teach that in the states. (Unless you mean just the history of different religions from a purely objective point of view)
Another thing, dude, if you are going to try to compare schooling as if yours were superior, at least don't suck so bad in the grammar/spelling department.
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It's not about U.S.A being big. It's about it having different states with all their own laws.
Compared to Russia, which is bigger, there's a lot more difference between states.
Yeah, Finnish religion is a tad different from "JESUS OWNS ALL, FUCK EVOLUTION", like some schools still do in the states, which is a point of major luls. Lower grade it's about the ev.lut. itself, upper grade it's about other religions.
--- Quote from: harpy on February 06, 2011, 05:15:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: JoonasTo on February 06, 2011, 05:07:40 PM ---
--- Quote ---Getting a bit off topic here but-
You are taught what you need to know to enter the work force and earn a living. Its considered basic education (elementary - high school) Real learning doesn't begin until college in the states.
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Heh, here high school is already extra. Only elementary is obligatory.
Though I don't see anything except maybe social studies and some maths that's needed to enter the workforce. Oh, and home ed.
The rest is kind of unnecessary. Who needs physics, chemistry, english or history in work force? No one.
But finnish system is weird compared to most countries anyways.
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no the system is quite similar here as well:
0) kindergarten - how ever long parents decide to or 1 year for sure
1) primary school - 9 years
2) hight school - 3 years
2.1)vocational school - 4 years or after hight school 2 years
3) university - 3 years in non professional studies 4-5(I think) years in professional studies + 2 years to get a master degree and a year to get a doctor degree.
Similar?
as for subject in primary school - sounds the same, just that we do not have religion stuff, just art stuff
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0)preschool - when you're 6 or 5, lasts one year
1)lower grade - next 6 years
2)upper grade - next 3, last obligatory phase, after this you don't have to go anywhere if you don't want to
3)vocational or high school - 3 years vocational, 3-4 high school
4)college or university - College 3 years, uni 3 years bachelor, 5 master's, 8 doctorate. That is, if you stay in the guideline times. :P
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Soryon:
I almost posted that exact same pic in my last reply =P
Anyway, on topic- I don't consider myself bilingual even tho I can converse lightly in Spanish and French. However, When I get some free time I do plan to take some more Spanish classes in order to improve upon what I already comprehend. I would like to take classes in other languages, but if I tried I would forget it soon because there is nothing in my life that would require me to use it. Spanish is a language that I encounter almost daily due to my neighbors at work.
--- Quote from: JoonasTo on February 06, 2011, 05:20:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: Soryon on February 06, 2011, 05:10:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: 1000mAh on February 06, 2011, 05:02:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Soryon on February 06, 2011, 04:52:48 PM ---I don't mind, I am kinda glad actually. It puts me a step above the rest ;)
Honestly tho, its more about where in the US that you live / what school district you went to.
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haha, you getthesame education anywhere in Finland. Yhe subhects youmust study; Finnish (9 years), Swedish (3 yesr, 5 years is possible), English (7 years), Math (9 years), Biology (9 years), Geography (9 years), Chemistry (5 years), Physics (5 years), Home-economics (3 years), P.E. (9 years), Crafts (7 years), World History (4 years), Civics (1 year), Religion (9 years) & Arts (9 years). And those arejust the studies you must do :P
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The thing with America is that it is fucking huge compared to other countries. Going to another country in Europe is to us like simply going to another state. That, coupled with the probability that a student will ever have a need to leave the country being slim, leads to different emphasis being placed on certain subjects.
To tie this in with the topic- There is very little need for an American to learn any other language aside from maybe Spanish.
Also, 9 years of religion? wut? Unless the school you attend is a private religious school, you would catch a law suit for trying to teach that in the states. (Unless you mean just the history of different religions from a purely objective point of view)
Another thing, dude, if you are going to try to compare schooling as if yours were superior, at least don't suck so bad in the grammar/spelling department.
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It's not about U.S.A being big. It's about it having different states with all their own laws.
Compared to Russia, which is bigger, there's a lot more difference between states.
Yeah, Finnish religion is a tad different from "JESUS OWNS ALL, FUCK EVOLUTION", like some schools still do in the states, which is a point of major luls. Lower grade it's about the ev.lut. itself, upper grade it's about other religions.
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I was referring more to the countries East of Russia.
Also, only idiots who go to Catholic schools are taught anything like that, and even so, it is becoming a thing of the past. Not all catholic schools teach that. I had a cousin who went to a Catholic school and she said that religion was taught minimally and while they learned about the bible, they were never told anything about the creationist theory. They were taught the "why" behind some of the beliefs, but never asked to actually beleive them. What I understand from how it was explained to me, during bible study they are taught as if it were a work of fiction. Such as "In this passage Ezekiel says this, what do you think the meaning is?" The same type of question a public school student would have to answer of To Kill A Mockingbird.
AceHigh:
--- Quote from: JoonasTo on February 06, 2011, 04:34:50 PM ---And half of Russian is Swedish, like the word Russki itself, which means Swedish. Ironic? Perhaps. Got to do with the swedish sailing the rivers, making trading ports, like novgorod, for example, and the slavs there asking for a king from Sweden to stop their infighting.
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Right and wrong.
It is correct that Rurik dynasty is viking, even the name suggests that. It is true that vikings founded the city of Holmgard (Novgorod), it is also true that vikings that were responcible for creating Rus as a country. As the vikings from east coast were going east plundering baltic tribes and going into Rus territory, we can credit the modern Swedes for that.
However it is wrong to assume that there was much lingual impact made by vikings. Sure, russians adopted the weapons and armour styles, currency, took a viking as a ruler, but impacting a completely different language group is difficult. Gramatically the vikings made no significant change to the language. Vocabulary, yes, but writted slavic language derives from Cyril and Methodius church in the modern day Kosovo (and that explains why the shitstorm over there pisses off most slavic countries) and was heavily influenced by the Hellenic alphabet.
On the good side, it was easier for vikings to influence a Germanic lanugage... English, which we caused more impact on, than any Slavic country during our days of rape and pillage empire a thousand years ago.
--- Quote from: rathoriel on February 06, 2011, 05:15:36 PM ---I am going to start up a new topic on education so this thread doesnt get off track.
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I would rather like to see a "general lingual thread" where we can discuss relations of languages, history and all that stuff.
JoonasTo:
Vocabulary is what I mean. Not grammar. Might have had to be more precise on that.
You'll notice it if you study Russian even a little and know Swedish.
1000mAh:
Joonas small miss;
Preschool, primary school, Lower Secondary School, Upper Secondary School or vocational, College or University.
That would be the correct way to translate it into english :P
and Lower Secondary School would be treated as J-High in the US. Though, Lower Secondary school often has more difficult stuff, but as Soryon said, it depends on the state of the US.
and about the comment you made of my grammar; My grammar is better in English than it is in Finnish; I suck at writing, not my forte.
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