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Re: Tiffany's Murdergame - Round Five: Vampires, Rapists, Revivals, oh my.
« Reply #360 on: February 15, 2011, 05:48:10 PM »
Wow let alone the blue, how long did it take me to realize that Tiffany only said one.

Changing vote to SeventyX7

On tvtropes i've heard many horror stories about tabletop games, looks like the legends were true.
Notice again how Meomix changes his vote to who's getting bandwagon'd.  He's just trying to make sure someone, anyone other than him, gets taken down by vote.  He doesn't have any conviction in who he votes for, he's just insuring there's no chance he gets taken down.

If I was REALLY the killer, don't you think I wouldn't leap on the "vote for vuze" bus?  That I'd vote for someone with NO votes on them, who's only been voted for once before, on a complete shot in the dark guess?

Seriously, it's not vuze.  It's not me.  FFS, I'm the one who gave up "______" to the inquisitor.  >:(

Keeping my vote on meomix.
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Re: Tiffany's Murdergame - Round Five: Vampires, Rapists, Revivals, oh my.
« Reply #361 on: February 15, 2011, 06:29:16 PM »
With the new info (the post right after my last one) ...

I'm changing my vote to vuzedome ...

*HINT* Also it would be a good time for the vigilante to make their move.


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Re: Tiffany's Murdergame - Round Five: Vampires, Rapists, Revivals, oh my.
« Reply #362 on: February 15, 2011, 06:30:24 PM »
Forgot to add Havoc10K being killed ....

Oh, sorry looks like you're right... Well, here then I'll expand on some things:



Day 2 news said there was Demon activity, so Arc is innocent.

Scotsman could be the Demon and SeventyX7 could be either killer. Since we know the Demon wasn't boxed or killed, this means that on Day 3 due to the "spiritual pressure dropping pretty hard" either the Demon got Feedback (which could have also occurred on Day 2), or was the tortured scotsman. "We're still having trouble reattaching one of his toes . . . We expect the toe to be back to normal within a few days. The other removed limbs, digits, finger nails and skin seem to have recovered nicely. As good as new!" Either scenario is obviously possible.

It's impossible to know about Borror0 since there is no data.

All this shows is that the ones mentioned above could be the killers, but it does not rule out the fact that they also could be innocent. It also neglects the fact that anyone that wasn't questioned could be the killers as well.

There are a ton of clues in the news, some specific ones I mentioned where to look a couple posts ago. I'll also say that there are no inactive players as Killers. So:

Could not be Killers:
Arc Da Rat
harpy
Havanacus
pmDarkly
tomoya-kun

Could be Killers:
shabutie - Claims to be Tertiary Adjunct
Teaparty - Claims to be Grand Inquisitor
SeventyX7
scotsman
saidin1015
flyawave
suhaib
vuzedome
Meomix
1000mAh
TightMuffin
Klocknov
Borror0

So, if you also eliminate the two that claimed to be roles (though they certainly haven't been proven), that means there are 11 possible candidates. That means based on sheer luck alone, you have a 9% chance of guessing who the killer is.

However... if you look at the clues I gave you, the possible choices drop down substantially. The single biggest clue that will cut out the largest pool of players is this: "You're all a bunch of mindless sheep being manipulated by the very criminals you're trying to apprehend, if you're even trying in the first place." Which, was seen in Day 4 Night Scene 3.

So, if this is true and at least one of the killers is a player that has been very vocal and actively influenced player voting, how many choices do you have? If you follow this advice and determine which players have done this, and there are very few of them, you will have an extremely high chance of boxing at least one killer tonight. I would say out of the above, there are likely 3 that have done this. You can figure out who they are. And that being the case, that means if voting based on this, there is a 1 in 3 chance of taking out a killer.

Of course, when it's down to that, examine the other clues. I bet you can actually get it narrowed down to 2 or even 1. And that would be what I'd call extremely good odds.

That table is off though, isn't it?  Seventy was detained the day BEFORE the Succubus was boxed, Borror0 was detained the day succubus was boxed.  Also, serial killer did kill the day Seventy was detained, that was why I didn't suspect him.

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Re: Tiffany's Murdergame - Round Five: Vampires, Rapists, Revivals, oh my.
« Reply #363 on: February 15, 2011, 06:38:18 PM »
TightMuffin you're forgetting about day 0. Detainees are the result of the previous night, making them the masters of the current day.
Did you know Satan was supposedly gods RIGHT HAND MAN, not his left. Blows your theory out of the water now doesn't it.

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Re: Tiffany's Murdergame - Round Five: Vampires, Rapists, Revivals, oh my.
« Reply #364 on: February 15, 2011, 06:38:29 PM »
That table is off though, isn't it?  Seventy was detained the day BEFORE the Succubus was boxed, Borror0 was detained the day succubus was boxed.  Also, serial killer did kill the day Seventy was detained, that was why I didn't suspect him.

The Grand Inquisitor's action are announced in the news the day before they happen.

As such, on Night 0, no one was detained. On Night 1, Arc Da Rat was detained while there was actions from all the killers. On Night 2, scotsman was detained. There was serial killer and succubus and serial activity, but no demon activity. On Night 3, SeventyX7 was detained and the succubus was boxed. There was no demon activity nor serial killer activity. I was going to be detained tonight.

In other words:
  • Arc Da Rat: Innocent.
  • scotsman: Not the serial killer. Maybe the demon.
  • SeventyX7: Likely the serial killer. Maybe the demon.
  • Borror0: No data.
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Re: Tiffany's Murdergame - Round Five: Vampires, Rapists, Revivals, oh my.
« Reply #365 on: February 15, 2011, 06:41:39 PM »
Borror0 it's night 0, night 0.
Did you know Satan was supposedly gods RIGHT HAND MAN, not his left. Blows your theory out of the water now doesn't it.

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Re: Tiffany's Murdergame - Round Five: Vampires, Rapists, Revivals, oh my.
« Reply #366 on: February 15, 2011, 06:42:38 PM »
Borror0 it's night 0, night 0.

Fine. Changed the night's number accordingly.

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Re: Tiffany's Murdergame - Round Five: Vampires, Rapists, Revivals, oh my.
« Reply #367 on: February 15, 2011, 06:44:26 PM »
The day they're on is the day they effect. Someone that is told they're called in for questioning on one day doesn't affect the news of that day since it already that previous night before they're called in.

Anyways.... something extremely bad has happened. About 30 mins ago one of my hard drives started clicking. I have 4 of them, I'm not sure which one it was. I took out the one I think it probably was. I'm watching them like a hawk now because if one of these others even so much as hints at a sound I have to power down and take it out. The worst part is... the one that I took out as a suspect is the one with the lionshare of my anime and other neat stuff.

I'll try to at least post the results even if things go badly from another computer. I dunno though, I really need to start an Advanced RMA immediately.

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Re: Tiffany's Murdergame - Round Five: Vampires, Rapists, Revivals, oh my.
« Reply #368 on: February 15, 2011, 06:47:33 PM »
Tiffany go safe the HD data ... game results can wait.


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Re: Tiffany's Murdergame - Round Five: Vampires, Rapists, Revivals, oh my.
« Reply #369 on: February 15, 2011, 07:50:54 PM »
You know, you guys will really look like idiots for voting me out.
Don't believe me? Hey remember, I wasn't the one who voted out the lieutenant, some of you are.

And by the way, changing my vote to seventyx, I at least wanna keep myself alive.

Soon, I won't need to deal with this ridiculous town anymore.
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Re: Tiffany's Murdergame - Round Five: Vampires, Rapists, Revivals, oh my.
« Reply #370 on: February 15, 2011, 08:35:52 PM »
saidin1015 - Teaparty,
vuzedome - TightMuffin, suhaib, 1000mAh, flyawave, Arc Da Rat,
scotsman -
SeventyX7 - scotsman, Borror0, Meomix, vuzedome, Klocknov
Meomix - SeventyX7,

That is the voting as of this time. Looking at this I am kind of lost. How has Meomix stayed at such a low count? He is one of the three likely killers and yet only one person has voted for them. And as I am probably going to be the target of one or the other killer I am stating this now Meomix or scotsman will probably be my killer if it is demonic activity. Serial Killer Meomix is the most likely but am not too sure it will be so on to the rest.

So everyone who led bandwagons were Me with day one on Chiya being the main, vuzedome, Meomix, and Soulreapper77.The first was vusedome  with a successful one with Roven, though he noticed his mistake at to late a time to change it. After that it was Meomix with the bandwagon for Soulreaper77 and then we have SeventyX7 with the shabutie vs me with the Teaparty vote. So as you can see she did leave one person off that list, but I guess that sticks me as a priority as well. That is why I figure I am dead tonight.

Now to expand a bit more on this. Klocknov vs Chiya was mainly to get someone I figured could easily be a killer, though he made a better scapegoat for them in the long run. It did look plausible by his talk on the day 0 that he could be a killer since he asked for Havok to be targeted and he was by both the demon and succubus, so yeah that put a lot of pressure on him. Though yes it would of been stupid to do it, but sometimes playing stupid moves can be a great defense. There was a small amount of true sense behind this vote.

Next to Roven vs vuzedome case, this was pushing to kill someone that wasn't talking but was obviously watching. He got him talking and noticed his innocence and went to change away from it. By this time he was too late though he did say he found both Borror0 and Roven to be innocent by that point. So yeah he had good reason for suspicion at the start and found it was all for no reason once they gave good reasoning. Started with some sense and lost it after Roven responded with a good defense argument.

Then to Meomix vs Soulreaper77 and SeventyX7 vs shabutie case which was another case on inactivity, at this point it was a great case then we had a push for shabutie alongside him by SeventyX7 which started earlier, but some things just don't die out. So this was the game changing event in all honesty was this day. We had a push and mass vote for the Adjuncts. Not to mention shabutie staking his claim on the Tietary to try to save being boxed. He got saved by a coin flip in the end though. Neither guess really had much sense to it, both were just trying to pick a needle out of a haystack guesses.

Now SeventyX7 vs shabutie and Others vs Teaparty case. So between looking at the news and looking at his claim it was practically proven shabutie was the Tietary Adjunct and yet Soulreaper77 still was gunning for him as well as gathered a good mob up against him then we have Teaparty. Teaparty was sort of suspicious from the beginning with his off voting technique of using no thought, and it made me think he was a killer and I guess some agreed with me, and threw this it ended up a bandwagon against him as well. So yeah one vote had sense behind it while the other rejected all sense I an sure you can see which was which.

This was the day that pissed Tiffany off, partly because we were blind to some of her hints and partly because some people just really seemed to not care at all. This was the next biggest game changer for now we are stuck with big killers. So guys lets make the vote count and actually take a look and re-read everything. Hopefully you can see something that I didn't


Upon all of this I will have to make my vote for SeventyX7. If I am still alive to say the morrow I will say we need to work out the bird story for I have a feeling that deals with Meomix. Lets hope it is SeventyX7 that is the Serial Killer and not Meomix though. And yes keep in mind scotsman still has the chance of being the demon, he is not in the clear yet.
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Re: Tiffany's Murdergame - Round Five: Vampires, Rapists, Revivals, oh my.
« Reply #371 on: February 15, 2011, 09:43:26 PM »
Oh, I voted already? Changed to vuzedome then.  :P

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Re: Tiffany's Murdergame - Round Five: Vampires, Rapists, Revivals, oh my.
« Reply #372 on: February 15, 2011, 09:59:30 PM »
saidin1015 -
vuzedome - TightMuffin, suhaib, 1000mAh, flyawave, Arc Da Rat, Teaparty,
scotsman -
SeventyX7 - scotsman, Borror0, Meomix, vuzedome, Klocknov
Meomix - SeventyX7,

Why do you choose vuzedome? I want to see your reasoning now instead of saying it was because of what this person says. This is a very determining vote and I find that people are still just hopping on to a bandwagon. Myself I am going after someone that till he had no other choice gunned for someone even after they were made pretty clearly to be the adjunct. That with the clues does make since rather then voting vuzedome that really is more so just a thorn in the wall tossing things around till now, well at least from how it looks.
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Re: Tiffany's Murdergame - Round Five: Vampires, Rapists, Revivals, oh my.
« Reply #373 on: February 15, 2011, 10:25:55 PM »
God Damnit.

I get why Tiffanys got frustrated, I really don't think it's vuzedome, yet I have to switch my vote to him because I don't want to die either.  Starting to really wish last night's actions went through, because the inquisitor would have cleared me of being the demon, at least (though fuck you serial killer, you totally succeeded in framing me just by choosing not to act on a day I was detained, why people are bandwagoning me when this has happened to other people in the past with the demon is beyond me.)

Anyways, for the next day,

If I'm right about Meomix (seriously, how is this guy avoiding all suspicion?), it means we're taking 5-8 deaths tonight.  I also doubt Tiffany is giving the protectors back.  

That means 10-14 people will be alive tomorrow, two of which will be the bad guys.  We will narrow down the "sure count" to meomix and somebody else, however.

Furthermore, it's not guaranteed that both of the killers are on that list, I'd actually bet against it because Tiffany would have made it WAY too easy for us to win, then (66% chance for innocents to win).  

That means we still have to deduce either the demon or killer from the bigger list of us.  We should give some thought to that now, because that's the only way we're going to win.

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Re: Tiffany's Murdergame - Round Five: Vampires, Rapists, Revivals, oh my.
« Reply #374 on: February 15, 2011, 10:38:55 PM »
I choce vuze because the moment he suspected my identity he changed his "default" vote from Arc to me.
Though he could have just been fooling around with random votes, even when some of the other people started voting on me, he didn't say a word about it.


Screw that. Changed to Meomix. He's one of the few who kept talking about voting out the inactives. Rather, that seems to be the only reasoning he has been using. If we're being deceived by anyone, I think it's Meomix.
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Re: Tiffany's Murdergame - Round Five: Vampires, Rapists, Revivals, oh my.
« Reply #375 on: February 15, 2011, 10:45:44 PM »
saidin1015 -
vuzedome - TightMuffin, suhaib, 1000mAh, flyawave, Arc Da Rat, SeventyX7,
scotsman -
SeventyX7 - scotsman, Borror0, Meomix, vuzedome,
Meomix - Teaparty, Klocknov,
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Tertiary Adjunct: I have a story for you now.
Tertiary Adjunct: Once upon a time, there was this little sparrow. Who, while flying south for the winter, froze solid. And fell to the ground. And then to make matters worse, a cow crapped on him. But the manure was all warm and it defrosted him. So there he is, he's warm and he's happy to be alive and he starts to sing. A hungry cat comes along and he clears off the manure and he looks at the little bird, and then he eats him.
Tertiary Adjunct: And the moral of the story is this: Everyone who craps on you is not necessarily your enemy. And everyone who gets you out of crap is not necessarily your friend. And if you're warm and happy no matter where you are.... then you should just keep your big mouth shut.
Taking that story in to account it would make it intersting enough to say that Meomix could be the cat and SeverntyX7 the cow-shit.  Guys think about it, makes sense being as SeventyX7 did tend to shit on shabutie by terms of trying to push to vote him over and over and Meomix did save him the first time by moving the vote off of him. Though I guess this is all speculation.

I will be changing my vote to Meomix!
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Re: Tiffany's Murdergame - Round Five: Vampires, Rapists, Revivals, oh my.
« Reply #376 on: February 15, 2011, 11:00:55 PM »
I voted vuze because I think he's trying REALLY hard to play the whole reverse-psychology game, and has been doing so pretty much the entire game.  Also if Tiff hadn't decided to change the rules around, he would have likely died last night, as I was the Inquisitor, and had chosen to visit him.  (Again.  I'd already visited him once on day 3, but demon did not act then.)  And yes, I can confirm that Teaparty was the Grand Inquisitor.  But anyway, if we do assume that vuzedome was the demon, as I already suspected anyway, and that after that night's actions only one killer and pretty much every protector and a lot of innocents would have been left, then the changes would make a bit more sense.

Well, I personally don't like analyzing the actions of the narrator to be used as evidence, as I think this game is meant to be played as a psychological contest between the participants, but this game's kind of shot all to hell already, so may as well just finish it.

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Re: Tiffany's Murdergame - Round Five: Vampires, Rapists, Revivals, oh my.
« Reply #377 on: February 15, 2011, 11:03:17 PM »
TightMuffin I really don't think vuzedome is a killer, he more seemed to just want to be mindrape from how it looks to me, only once did he really focus anything anywhere and that was the Roven case.
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Re: Tiffany's Murdergame - Round Five: Vampires, Rapists, Revivals, oh my.
« Reply #378 on: February 15, 2011, 11:16:19 PM »
Lol Tiff your reminding me of myself when I ran a dnd adventure for some mates, I was being clever dropping clues left, right and centre. Those idiots missed EVERY SINGLE ONE, I pointed this out after the adventure was over, asking how the hell could the miss all the damn clues, to which the replied 'we don't know, holy crap it was obvious'. I guess the point of this is don't underestimate a human beings ability to ignore the damn obvious.

*Floats off to see what all the war is about*

well it's not ignoring it most of the time, it's just not living the game on the same brainwave as the game master. Game master have thought out the game world and the rest of us do not know this world so we can not understand all of it in the same way as game master does. So most of the clues (not all) are just text in the wall of text, beside most game masters (not saying that Tiff is doing it, as she does not most of the time) ignore the fact that clues are obvious to them only as she/he knows what is what and who is who, but for the person who do not know it, who have not finished the game it is not obvious before the game is ended. It is the way normal human brain work.
My teacher had a nice way of saying "I want you to tell me what I am thinking now" and he did this after giving us all the clues in the world, but we did come up with a different thoughts and examples.
I do not think that it is a crime its just normal and should be taken in account. Thats why I think being game master is such a hard task and Tiff is doing her best and I do like what she is doing, but she does sometime forget this simple truth.


Well my vote will be  - SeventyX7. Will not reason the vote, because it is useless... well I was thinking of voting for scotsman, but it would be quite pointless vote at this point...

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Re: Tiffany's Murdergame - Round Five: Vampires, Rapists, Revivals, oh my.
« Reply #379 on: February 15, 2011, 11:23:22 PM »
I voted vuze because I think he's trying REALLY hard to play the whole reverse-psychology game, and has been doing so pretty much the entire game.  Also if Tiff hadn't decided to change the rules around, he would have likely died last night, as I was the Inquisitor, and had chosen to visit him.  (Again.  I'd already visited him once on day 3, but demon did not act then.)  And yes, I can confirm that Teaparty was the Grand Inquisitor.  But anyway, if we do assume that vuzedome was the demon, as I already suspected anyway, and that after that night's actions only one killer and pretty much every protector and a lot of innocents would have been left, then the changes would make a bit more sense.

Well, I personally don't like analyzing the actions of the narrator to be used as evidence, as I think this game is meant to be played as a psychological contest between the participants, but this game's kind of shot all to hell already, so may as well just finish it.
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