Anyone else get the feeling Fansubs are an evil plan of hardrive manfactures?

[StarDruid]

Anyone else get the feeling Fansubs are an evil plan of hard drive manufactures lol? Was setting up a series to download and had a choice between 3 gbs, 10gbs, and 20gbs. I like quality as much as anyone but I seriously think groups putting out 20gbs encodes for 13 episode series are working for the dark side and the hard drive manufactures to make us buy more hard drives. They give us a choice, come to the dark side and buy another hard drive or sacrifice a innocent series to ether the trashbin demon or the plastics disks of the forgotten. Sadly like cookies, even I'm temped by the dark side. Lucky my wallet has made a valiant effort to keep me on the side of light with only 4 1 TB drives.

[RedSuisei]

I really lol'd reading the title.

Anyway, 13 episode @ 20GB is quite small compared to a certain 26 episode release @ 66GB. But true though, recently Blu Ray groups bloat their releases more and more.

[TMRNetShark]

That's what you get for going for the 720p and 1080p versions of a show. I mean, I would definitely agree with you, but remember... if I'm ever bored... and I mean EVER.... I have over 500 GBs of unwatched animes... most of them under 10 GBs. I'm starting to finish off my first 1 TB harddrive (which is already full), and already starting to fill up the second one with about 300 GBs worth of shows.

Safe to say, both of them together only cost me $150 for 2.5 TBs total. That's better than paying... probably upwards of $10,000 worth of series... so I LIKE being on the Dark Side... pay less moola.

[Meomix]

I really lol'd reading the title.

Anyway, 13 episode @ 20GB is quite small compared to a certain 26 episode release @ 66GB. But true though, recently Blu Ray groups bloat their releases more and more.

What the fook!?



All of this is only 55GB, is the Blu Ray management smoking pot!?

[Pentium100]

As I need to find 100 (or 200) GB of watched anime, It is a bit easier to do so with the higher quality releases - earlier it would take me a long time to do so, meaning that the series would just sit in my hard drives.

[AceHigh]

First of all, there is always an option to delete anime to free up space. Secondly, Blu-Ray release groups are doing this as a part of their dick waving pissing contest of who provides higher quality, nothing more. Also bandwith is cheap, so people get lazy, instead of trying better compression technologies, they just release bloated.

[RedSuisei]

What the fook!?

All of this is only 55GB, is the Blu Ray management smoking pot!?

Well, the encoder said in his(her?) defense that he(she?) prefers over-sized release since you can reencode over-sized release to a lower bitrate if you find that lower bitrate is enough, but you can't reencode under-sized release to higher bitrate if you find it lacking. Whether you think it's bullshit or not is up to you though

Also bandwith is cheap, so people get lazy, instead of trying better compression technologies, they just release bloated.

I can't help but agree with this. Bloated encodes are generally more "safe", in the sense that if one can't find the exact sweet spot where no noticeable artifacts appear, encoding bloated will be safer. But that doesn't really show competence as an encoder, instead it shows incompetence. This problem gets rectified with screenshot battles, which defeats the purpose of CRF anyway, since CRF actually lowers quality on motion scenes, because small artifacts during motion scenes won't be noticeable during playback unless you have sharingan or sth, but they get really noticeable on screenshots. Might as well do QP, with constant quality for all scenes.

/offtopicrant

[Pharismo]

And people still want to stop piracy....
They always forget the others jobs that is created by pirates such as those. They also forget that piracy makes people buy more HDs so they spend money on others sectors. Well we discussed this before.

[AceD]

Come to the movie scene and then come back to fansubs and realize it aint so bad.

[AceHigh]

Pharismo, that is the main reason why Microsoft told MPAA/RIAA to fuck off every time they attempt to persuade Microsoft to have movie and music DRM in their OS. Every time the Microsoft tells them that they will not put any restrictions of that kind for their customers.

That is also the reason why ISP almost always go to court when someone tries to extort them for their customer info.

In these cases pirates are customers for someone else.... hell that is actually quite appropriate as analogy to real pirates, who were pirates for some and privateers for others.

Come to the movie scene and then come back to fansubs and realize it aint so bad.

Not surprising at all, people are getting lazy in all scenes.

[RedSuisei]

Actually, I get the feeling that it's just the BD remuxed to mkv, without any encoding done whatsoever. I mean, the size fits.

[AceD]

Actually, I get the feeling that it's just the BD remuxed to mkv, without any encoding done whatsoever. I mean, the size fits.

(click to show/hide)

ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Muxing mode : Container profile=Unknown@4.1
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 2h 23mn
Width: 1 920 pixels
Height: 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame Rate: 23.976 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan Type : Progressive
Title : MPEG-4 AVC Video | H.264 Remux | High Profile 4.1 | 1080p | 23.976 fps | 16:9 | 31760 kbps
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

[TMRNetShark]

Pharismo, that is the main reason why Microsoft told MPAA/RIAA to fuck off every time they attempt to persuade Microsoft to have movie and music DRM in their OS. Every time the Microsoft tells them that they will not put any restrictions of that kind for their customers.

That is also the reason why ISP almost always go to court when someone tries to extort them for their customer info.

In these cases pirates are customers for someone else.... hell that is actually quite appropriate as analogy to real pirates, who were pirates for some and privateers for others.

Come to the movie scene and then come back to fansubs and realize it aint so bad.

Not surprising at all, people are getting lazy in all scenes.

The day Microsoft puts any form or DRM that's REQUIRED to be on my computer... is the day I go to Linux. I do agree though, we kind of a self sustaining community with numerous amounts of information being transferred between us. Someone has to get the RAWs and put them online. Then someone has to take that RAW, translate the script, put each sentence in at a certain time, and makes sure it works and is online. The someone here makes a pretty description for that show and the someone has to approve it and it's finally in our hands. That's at least 4 people who take the time to not get paid just so we can get free shows.

I think we should congratulate these people. Or at least get them four bj's (cause I'm sure they don't get any as is)?

Don't worry, I don't get any either. 

[Burkingam]

The day Microsoft puts any form or DRM that's REQUIRED to be on my computer... is the day I go to Linux.

The Linux Community is waiting for you. Don't forget the promise you have made when the day comes. Everyone is welcome on the freeworld. Canonical will even deliver a free Ubuntu CD to you. It's completely free! But why use a CD when you could just download it and install it from a USB drive.
Honestly, there are still a few things annoying my here and there but not having to care about virus and copy protection more than make up for it.

To come back to the main subject. If StarDruid is right then let's just say the Dark Side has better cookies. Isn't it. Don't expect me to complain about having to pay for storage when I have so many anime I could spend a over month watching them non-stop. What does the other camp has to offer me? Copyright can suck my balls.

[AceHigh]

The Linux Community is waiting for you.

Then Linux community better start giving some incentive to the game developing community, as wine/cedega is still crap and any sane gamer would never go over to any OS that doesn't run games.

[TMRNetShark]

The Linux Community is waiting for you.

Then Linux community better start giving some incentive to the game developing community, as wine/cedega is still crap and any sane gamer would never go over to any OS that doesn't run games.

That's the one thing I don't like about it. No games means... well just that. I mean, I don't get it.. it's FREE. Why wouldn't most of the world get this concept and switch over and force gaming companies to make games for Linux.

[AceHigh]

Because Microsoft did one thing right back in 1995. They released the first DirectX. Although some companies made games intended to push forward OpenGL as a standard for the gaming community (as for example Id software did with Quake 2), most other developers happily accepted DirectX and thus gave Windows the almost monopoly as a gaming OS it has today.

However there is another issue. Have you seen how Mac is advertised as more "stable" platform? Well, no shit, it is easy when OS is locked to a specific hardware. It's more difficult for Windows that needs to be compatible with tons of hardware and even more difficult for game developing companies that need to make their game compatible to current OS, a possible future OS and preferably a few older ones that people still use... and all that with combination of shitload of hardware out there.

What is my point? Well, there are hundreds of Linux releases out there. Do you expect the developers to take into account not only hardware, but every single distro out there? It's not reasonable to expect that developers will commit resources to make that many patches.

Linux biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness. It's free, so the developers of Linux distros don't have any financial incentive to try keeping their OS backwards compatible or otherwise support game developers. For game developers that is a potentially bad business.

I don't see how any devs who want to make money will go from Windows to Linux.

[Burkingam]

The Linux Community is waiting for you.

Then Linux community better start giving some incentive to the game developing community, as wine/cedega is still crap and any sane gamer would never go over to any OS that doesn't run games.

That's the one thing I don't like about it. No games means... well just that. I mean, I don't get it.. it's FREE. Why wouldn't most of the world get this concept and switch over and force gaming companies to make games for Linux.

Sadly, most of the world don't know or care about Linux. Fortunately for me, I like indie games. There is quite a few little gems in that category compatible with linux. But if you like showy games with nice graphic and all I understand how it can be a problem on Linux.

What is my point? Well, there are hundreds of Linux releases out there. Do you expect the developers to take into account not only hardware, but every single distro out there? It's not reasonable to expect that developers will commit resources to make that many patches.

Developers don't have to make drivers compatible with Linux. They just have to release enough spec about it so that the community can make it's own driver. Unfortunately, not all hardware companies give this kind of information which is why there are sometime problems with the drivers. It is usually possible to make something somewhat functional through retroengineering but it is a lot easier if can skip the step. Retroengineering takes time and is inefficient.

To some things up there is three policies companies can adopt with linux.
1. Develop their on drivers.
assure compatibility but expensive.
2. Release specs
if the hardware is know, we should have good open source drivers within a few weeks or a few month. extremely inexpensive and cost effective.
3. Ignore the problem
The drivers will take longer to develop and will usually be buggy and unstable. The company is loosing costumers.

For what I care, both 1 and 2 are fine. Only 3 is a problem.

[Xiong Chiamiov]

First of all, there is always an option to delete anime to free up space.

You can... delete anime?

[Pentium100]

The day Microsoft puts any form or DRM that's REQUIRED to be on my computer... is the day I go to Linux.

IIRC Windows Vidta/7 have some kind of DRM that "protects" bluray or something.

That's the one thing I don't like about it. No games means... well just that. I mean, I don't get it.. it's FREE. Why wouldn't most of the world get this concept and switch over and force gaming companies to make games for Linux.

Well, "switch" means that the person is using Windows currently. Maybe he got it with the PC, bought it separately or pirated it. Switching to Linux is deleting an operating system that has games and installing an operating system that does not have games (Windows and Linux are pretty similar in other areas) hoping that maybe, some day, the game companies will start making games work on it. Or you can just play current games on Windows right now.

Even for someone who is buying his first PC, Windows is still a better choice if he wants gaming. After all, some games now are better than games maybe later.