Seeding protected torrent

[poke]

Hey everybody, I have a quick question:

Why am I not able to seed torrents, which download is disabled to protect the initial swarm?

I was watching over the offers recently, trying to find something to increase my (still low) ratio. I was quite happy to see that there was a series, I already downloaded at some previous time, so I would get the chance to be a seeder directly from the start. Now the torrent was accepted, but downloading is disabled to protect the initial swarm. But the thing is that I don't want to download, but to seed that torrent (and as such help others within the initial swarm phase to get it too). Why is that not possible? Wouldn't it be much better to allow everyone, who already has the files, to distribute it too?

Thank you!

[kyzhucha n]

I don't know about newly release torrrents since I haven't tried downloading a very new torrent..

but If you really want to boost your ratio without damaging your ratio, download freeleech torrents
mainly, 1080p release or artbooks 

[newy]

lol, do you think everyone would seed if we allowed access for everyone? People are leeches (I did not forget the "r"). We implemented that system to protect the health of the torrents. Without it we would be no better than other trackers that tolerate "hit and run" and we would have tons of torrents without seeders in the worst case scenario.

If you had read the rules you'd know that only Power User are allowed to leech/seed during the time after the grant as these individuals have shown that they do care about giving and taking.

[poke]

do you think everyone would seed if we allowed access for everyone?

You don't allow downloading for people with bad ratio, but those can still upload (when the torrent is completed); where would be the difference with allowing (registered) users with completed torrents to seed a protected torrent?
My question was not about giving access to everybody, but rather giving seed access to those who could seed in such situations..

[newy]

And who can tell us that the user who is requesting a torrent wants to seed? Do you think we say ok if the user says, "Trust me, I have the files." We actually trust people. We trust them to read the rules before signing up. But as you can see, that trust has brought has the Warn system. So much for trust.

Why do we allow Power Users to seed the torrents? Because we know that they don't run away once they have finished leeching. It is your fault for blindly leeching that you are now warned. You were asked to read the rules when signing up and I recommend you to read them again, especially the "In Trouble" links.

[poke]

And who can tell us that the user who is requesting a torrent wants to seed?

I don't know how you do it, but you already do it when checking the ratio. Right now, when I try to download, the tracker refuses it because of my ratio; when I already have the torrent completed it still works. The same system could keep the current torrent status in mind. If one tries to download when the torrent is protected and when the user is not a power user, refuse the download. But if the torrent is completely available, no matter of the torrent status or user status, allow seeding. That has nothing to do with trust or no trust, but just with expanding the current system by two additional flags that decide if the tracker says "yes" or "no".

It is your fault for blindly leeching that you are now warned.

I don't remember yelling about me being warned or anything. I just want to understand why BakaBT does it the way it is now, when there is so much possible upload potential even in warned users. And if you can't answer that, without drawing (faulty) conclusions based on the asking user's ratio or post count, then please just don't.

[newy]

Upload potential in warned users? Why are they warned in the first place? Because they didn't seed!

We implemented the system to reward those who know how to give and take and not those who only know how to take.

[poke]

What's wrong with giving them the possibility to seed if they want to? There is nothing you can lose with that.. Either they seed, or they don't. With the current "rewards" all you do is separating power seeders from normal users even more, because power seeders get in the "exclusive club" where torrents are protected and seeders are rare..

Sorry, but that doesn't sound really fair to me. Upload capacity i.e. seeding should always be rewarded in the same way, regardless of who it does.

[Temuthril]

Would it be technically possible to allow only seeding?

[poke]

As mentioned above, that already happens when a warning is intact. If the torrent is not complete, the tracker refuses, but works fine when the download is completed.

[Freedom Kira]

So why's this such a big deal? The torrents are (edit: usually) protected only for 24 hours following the torrent's acceptance. During this time, the main leechers are not allowed access to the torrent, in order to get the files more efficiently to people who are sure to seed.

If you're so dead-set on seeding a new torrent, just wait a day. Come back tomorrow and start seeding. A day is really not that long. You're also guaranteed several times more leechers than you would be during the protected period anyway, not to mention that you'll have to seed for several weeks/months/years to obtain any decent ratio.

At the above point, only allowing seeding on everything the user is running is easy. Only allowing it on one torrent, and allowing downloading on other torrents, is difficult.

[Xiong Chiamiov]

Would it be technically possible to allow only seeding?

While you would think so (as the warning system does just that), I believe that we cannot do this currently.  So, if my understanding of the tracker is correct (which it may not be, as I don't touch that part of the site), it is the way it is for technical, rather than philosophical, reasons.

So why's this such a big deal? The torrents are protected only for 24 hours following the torrent's acceptance.

The time varies on the size of the torrent.

[poke]

Thank you Xiong, that suffices as a reason for me.

[kureshii]

IIRC, Jaru had tried a tracker upgrade that included such features (selective access enabling/disabling depending on user criteria), but decided not to go through with it. Again, if memory serves me correctly, this was because said tracker was too slow and we decided to stick with the old one instead.

[Freedom Kira]

^ That's an interesting tidbit of info. Assuming it is true, if the server's hardware was upgraded, do you think it'd be possible?