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Re: Hana-Saku Iroha | How to Bloom a Flower
« Reply #80 on: April 11, 2011, 03:26:55 PM »
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observing the movement of matter on a quantum molecular level.
i'd like that.

the last time I watched something fairly original in anime was Nanoha Strikers, while that was aired nothing in teh season was anything close to it, then you also have Hellsing, and a very few other shows that are interesting, but all genres taken, you can't actually complain something is terrible just because it lacks original story and depth of characters, currently anime reuses the cliches over and over, complaining about that only gets you scorn and flames, I'd like you to provide a title of anime in recent 4 years that was completely original, one that didn't use any cliche moment, rule, or whatnot, come on now cptjanvier, don't be shy, surprise me please.

I completely disagree, but that is because I think most anime since 2000 year are all pretty much the same, with just different point of view and slight plot changes, in short, any anime since year 2000 is pretty much the same, it's hard to create an anime that has not been made before, all genres has been made, these days anime studios and so on compete for audience, they create characters we want to like, each different, you pretty much in every anime get, one clumsy, one shy, one mature, and one weirdo, in every anime you get someone who is trying to make things harder for others, there is always a good guy or something, stuff like that, if you want new type of anime, develop it yourself, write a  script, present it to some studio or director, i'll be willing to see what YOU can come up with.

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damn I love the pictures i can find about the main girl :)

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Re: Hana-Saku Iroha | How to Bloom a Flower
« Reply #81 on: April 11, 2011, 03:56:58 PM »
God i love this show :P its the kind of slice of life ive been wanting :P.

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Re: Hana-Saku Iroha | How to Bloom a Flower
« Reply #82 on: April 11, 2011, 09:36:14 PM »
a title of anime in recent 4 years that was completely original, one that didn't use any cliche moment, rule, or whatnot, come on now cptjanvier, don't be shy, surprise me please.

Fine. Of course, I can only list the ones I've seen, starting date I've taken as 2007, although that does leave out some of my very favorites. Not all of them are top-rate, but that's not the question here.

Overall originality:
Aoi Bungaku - an anime about famous modern Japanese works of literature, that's pretty original in anime.
Durarara - for its interweaving of European and Japanese mythology, urban culture, digital isolation ... and keeping all characters likeable
Himitsu - cop shows are rare in anime and this is a modern cop show with an interesting premise that raises all kinds of issues
Hourou Musuko - unique to find gender and transgender issues discussed seriously and not as comic relief
Kuragehime - otaku girls over 16. Anime's unicorns. And yet here are 6 or so in one anime
Moyashimon - sure, there are tons of anime now about the unseen things around us, but usually those unseen things are spirits or ghosts or yokai or whatever. This is science! Real science in anime is rare.
Rainbow - unique (in anime) - jail escape hard knock youth sob story has been done in American life action movies. There aren't too many anime about this time period, either.
Seirei no Moribito - the original anime to beat all original anime. You have a 30-year-old female warrior, a male nurturer/healer, ok, the old prince-turned-commoner bit, but the scope, the animation, the linking of myth and science (historical research saves the world!), the extremely well-portrayed growth of emotion, if there were more anime like this I'd never complain again.
Taishou Yakyuu Musume - little portrayed historical period. Girls playing baseball. No magic. No fanservice. Hard work and feminism. Dang, there are only about 2 or 3 anime that come close to the significance of this one.
Tegami Bachi - yes, the first season seems mostly innocent. But right from the start, a completely original world, completely unique color palette and the story in season 2 gets more and more interesting. Since the manga is still publishing, they had to invent their own end, which still doesn't resolve everything, but for setting and coloring alone, it's far more original than many other fantasy anime.
Tokyo Magnitue 8.0 - setting because the "survive catastrophic event" storyline is pretty strong in Hollywood movies and
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Toshokan Sensou - yes, there's Fahrenheit 451 (it's a book by Ray Bradbury). But this anime has a strong female lead who goes against the usual notions of femininity (Japanese and Western) and dammit, armed librarians! There aren't all that many anime that deal with censorship this prominently, either.

These anime have at least one original thing about them that makes them stand out from the rest:
Baccano! - its extremely dynamic flow, Western setting (train!), and its non-linear narration.
Bakemonogatari - its style of animation
First Squad - pseudohistorian documentary of the Russian side of WW2 - very original perspective for anime, even if its pieces aren't original in the larger world of film tropes
Lovely Complex - a far more realistic love story than many I've seen, where people actually ask each other out, tell each other their feelings, go out and kiss. Like normal human beings.
Mononoke - for the animation style
Nodame Cantabile - I'd put this one in the list above, but the "successful career path" anime isn't that original and neither is the "crazy girl, uptight guy" story. What's original here is the setting (conservatory students over 20, omg!) You could also say that the animation of the classical music is a bit of a nod to Disney's Fantasia, but classical music as diegetic sound in such variety is original in anime.
Spice and Wolf - European Middle Ages and TRADE. That alone beats the unoriginality of mythological creature, sudden girlfriend appearance, bla bla bla. Is there another anime about trade (no matter how confusingly and ham-handedly they portray trade in this)? No, there isn't.
Phantom: Requiem for the Phantom - there are a few shows out there that are kind of like this. Darker than Black, Blassreiter, Witch Hunter Robin, all very similar. None is as good or as original or as painful as this one.
Ristorante Paradiso - I hated it. Bleh! But an unusual pairing (for anime).
House of Five Leaves - animation style, grown-ups, samurai-ish slice of life
Senkou no Night Raid - simply for the period it's set in. 1930s China? Damn, that's a political hot potato and they manage to keep it so very neutral ... superpowers, plot twists ... less original, except for the last.
Shiki - original simply for putting an end to cuddly sparkly vampires.

Shows that I've only partially seen for some reason but which show great promise of being original:
Dennou Coil
Katanagatari (the format alone)

There you go.

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Re: Hana-Saku Iroha | How to Bloom a Flower
« Reply #83 on: April 11, 2011, 09:59:28 PM »
all those anime's use at least one cliche, there you go.

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« Reply #84 on: April 11, 2011, 10:21:12 PM »
all those anime's use at least one cliche, there you go.
How many of those shows have you seen?

I'd also add Kuuchuu Buranko/Trapeze to that list.

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« Reply #85 on: April 11, 2011, 10:50:07 PM »
a title of anime in recent 4 years that was completely original, one that didn't use any cliche moment, rule, or whatnot, come on now cptjanvier, don't be shy, surprise me please.

Fine. Of course, I can only list the ones I've seen, starting date I've taken as 2007, although that does leave out some of my very favorites. Not all of them are top-rate, but that's not the question here.

Overall originality:
Aoi Bungaku - an anime about famous modern Japanese works of literature, that's pretty original in anime.
Durarara - for its interweaving of European and Japanese mythology, urban culture, digital isolation ... and keeping all characters likeable
Himitsu - cop shows are rare in anime and this is a modern cop show with an interesting premise that raises all kinds of issues
Hourou Musuko - unique to find gender and transgender issues discussed seriously and not as comic relief
Kuragehime - otaku girls over 16. Anime's unicorns. And yet here are 6 or so in one anime
Moyashimon - sure, there are tons of anime now about the unseen things around us, but usually those unseen things are spirits or ghosts or yokai or whatever. This is science! Real science in anime is rare.
Rainbow - unique (in anime) - jail escape hard knock youth sob story has been done in American life action movies. There aren't too many anime about this time period, either.
Seirei no Moribito - the original anime to beat all original anime. You have a 30-year-old female warrior, a male nurturer/healer, ok, the old prince-turned-commoner bit, but the scope, the animation, the linking of myth and science (historical research saves the world!), the extremely well-portrayed growth of emotion, if there were more anime like this I'd never complain again.
Taishou Yakyuu Musume - little portrayed historical period. Girls playing baseball. No magic. No fanservice. Hard work and feminism. Dang, there are only about 2 or 3 anime that come close to the significance of this one.
Tegami Bachi - yes, the first season seems mostly innocent. But right from the start, a completely original world, completely unique color palette and the story in season 2 gets more and more interesting. Since the manga is still publishing, they had to invent their own end, which still doesn't resolve everything, but for setting and coloring alone, it's far more original than many other fantasy anime.
Tokyo Magnitue 8.0 - setting because the "survive catastrophic event" storyline is pretty strong in Hollywood movies and
(click to show/hide)
Toshokan Sensou - yes, there's Fahrenheit 451 (it's a book by Ray Bradbury). But this anime has a strong female lead who goes against the usual notions of femininity (Japanese and Western) and dammit, armed librarians! There aren't all that many anime that deal with censorship this prominently, either.

These anime have at least one original thing about them that makes them stand out from the rest:
Baccano! - its extremely dynamic flow, Western setting (train!), and its non-linear narration.
Bakemonogatari - its style of animation
First Squad - pseudohistorian documentary of the Russian side of WW2 - very original perspective for anime, even if its pieces aren't original in the larger world of film tropes
Lovely Complex - a far more realistic love story than many I've seen, where people actually ask each other out, tell each other their feelings, go out and kiss. Like normal human beings.
Mononoke - for the animation style
Nodame Cantabile - I'd put this one in the list above, but the "successful career path" anime isn't that original and neither is the "crazy girl, uptight guy" story. What's original here is the setting (conservatory students over 20, omg!) You could also say that the animation of the classical music is a bit of a nod to Disney's Fantasia, but classical music as diegetic sound in such variety is original in anime.
Spice and Wolf - European Middle Ages and TRADE. That alone beats the unoriginality of mythological creature, sudden girlfriend appearance, bla bla bla. Is there another anime about trade (no matter how confusingly and ham-handedly they portray trade in this)? No, there isn't.
Phantom: Requiem for the Phantom - there are a few shows out there that are kind of like this. Darker than Black, Blassreiter, Witch Hunter Robin, all very similar. None is as good or as original or as painful as this one.
Ristorante Paradiso - I hated it. Bleh! But an unusual pairing (for anime).
House of Five Leaves - animation style, grown-ups, samurai-ish slice of life
Senkou no Night Raid - simply for the period it's set in. 1930s China? Damn, that's a political hot potato and they manage to keep it so very neutral ... superpowers, plot twists ... less original, except for the last.
Shiki - original simply for putting an end to cuddly sparkly vampires.

Shows that I've only partially seen for some reason but which show great promise of being original:
Dennou Coil
Katanagatari (the format alone)

There you go.
Because someone is going to make an awesome anime with no cliche what-so-ever to satisfy your needs, right? Wrong. Honestly, you've gotten enough attention. No one cares at this point. I don't care if the anime is SO obvious and similar to others.

Have you taken some of your time to see who produced the anime? I bet you didn't. Go to AniDB and check them out. They've worked on some amazing stuff and they're all favorited by many people. Most of them are senior producers and they all came together with P.A.Works to make Hanairo. Makes you wonder why it's the #1 series for 2011 Spring and how it's original work was actually done. Did you look at the Seiyu members?

Do people take their time to actually view who worked on the series? From producers to seiyu to THEN what the anime is about?

Angel Beats was a collaborated project between some famous Anime producers and it's by far one of the best in 2010 -- The best Anime overall I've seen for 2010.

Rather than arguing, enjoy Hanairo. If you're not enjoying it, then maybe you should stop watching this show all together.


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Re: Hana-Saku Iroha | How to Bloom a Flower
« Reply #86 on: April 11, 2011, 10:56:38 PM »
I don't buy the whole cliche versus non-cliche arguments. If we liked the plot element or story the first time, why wouldn't we like it a second or third time in a different setting or environment?

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« Reply #87 on: April 11, 2011, 11:03:12 PM »

Angel Beats was a collaborated project between some famous Anime producers and it's by far one of the best in 2010 -- The best Anime overall I've seen for 2010.
What famous anime producers? The only "famous" staff member on the Angel Beats production was Jun Maeda (:-X), who's normally a VN writer.

In regards to HanaIro, Masahiro Ando is pretty famous though, and is part of high quality works usually (as long as we ignore Canaan and all.) Mari Okada also wrote the Toradora anime, which is pretty popular and good quality.

Anyways this argument is dumb, cliches or tropes are okay if they have high quality writing to back them up. So far, HanaIro definitely does.
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Re: Hana-Saku Iroha | How to Bloom a Flower
« Reply #88 on: April 11, 2011, 11:51:28 PM »
Man you guys get trolled easily. Anyway who cares what some tool thinks there will always be that guy. Sooner you can ignore them the better.

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« Reply #89 on: April 11, 2011, 11:56:15 PM »

Angel Beats was a collaborated project between some famous Anime producers and it's by far one of the best in 2010 -- The best Anime overall I've seen for 2010.
What famous anime producers? The only "famous" staff member on the Angel Beats production was Jun Maeda (:-X), who's normally a VN writer.

In regards to HanaIro, Masahiro Ando is pretty famous though, and is part of high quality works usually (as long as we ignore Canaan and all.) Mari Okada also wrote the Toradora anime, which is pretty popular and good quality.

Anyways this argument is dumb, cliches or tropes are okay if they have high quality writing to back them up. So far, HanaIro definitely does.
Did you look it up at all? -face palms-

Angel Beats Project. Research is a great tool. AniDB and ANN are there for those purposes. Producers is not restricted to individuals, FYI.

Man you guys get trolled easily. Anyway who cares what some tool thinks there will always be that guy. Sooner you can ignore them the better.
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Let's get back on topic please. :)


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Re: Hana-Saku Iroha | How to Bloom a Flower
« Reply #90 on: April 12, 2011, 12:06:57 AM »
I thought by producers you meant staff (which is what really matters in regards to an anime.) A collaboration of broadcasting networks, ad agencies, and publishers doesn't tell me anything about a show.
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« Reply #91 on: April 12, 2011, 12:18:07 AM »
ON Topic.

I love how Hana took the bull by the balls in this episode.
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So far, and the season is young yet, but this is my favorite show.
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Re: Hana-Saku Iroha | How to Bloom a Flower
« Reply #92 on: April 12, 2011, 12:22:59 AM »
I thought by producers you meant staff (which is what really matters in regards to an anime.) A collaboration of broadcasting networks, ad agencies, and publishers doesn't tell me anything about a show.
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Visual Art's
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Let me know if you don't know who KEY is. Other than that, do get back on topic.


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Re: Hana-Saku Iroha | How to Bloom a Flower
« Reply #93 on: April 12, 2011, 12:36:57 AM »
I thought by producers you meant staff (which is what really matters in regards to an anime.) A collaboration of broadcasting networks, ad agencies, and publishers doesn't tell me anything about a show.
...

Visual Art's
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Let me know if you don't know who KEY is. Other than that, do get back on topic.
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Visual Art's is a visual novel publishing and distributing company for many game developers, including Key.
Of course I know who Key is, as I already mentioned them several posts ago (in the form of naming Jun Maeda) And PA Works is the main production studio... so uhh...

Anyways, yes back on topic.

Episode 3 staff:
Script: Mari Okada
Storyboard: Masahiro Ando
Episode Director: Koudai Kakimoto
Animation Director: Yuriko Ishii

Ando will also be storyboarding episode 4, but there's no full staff list yet. The next two episodes should be great.
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Re: Hana-Saku Iroha | How to Bloom a Flower
« Reply #94 on: April 12, 2011, 12:52:01 AM »
*GASP*

Ohana is gonna get...

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Shit like that isn't cliche... well.. maybe in...

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« Reply #95 on: April 12, 2011, 02:59:56 AM »
I thought by producers you meant staff (which is what really matters in regards to an anime.) A collaboration of broadcasting networks, ad agencies, and publishers doesn't tell me anything about a show.
...

Visual Art's
KEY
P.A.Works


Let me know if you don't know who KEY is. Other than that, do get back on topic.
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Visual Art's is a visual novel publishing and distributing company for many game developers, including Key.
Of course I know who Key is, as I already mentioned them several posts ago (in the form of naming Jun Maeda) And PA Works is the main production studio... so uhh...
.. -facepalms- ..... They worked on Angel Beats. That's the point.


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Re: Hana-Saku Iroha | How to Bloom a Flower
« Reply #96 on: April 12, 2011, 03:28:11 AM »
I'm a little late here, watched the 2 episodes only yesterday. This is the only show I'm watching this season.
Is the shy girl a lesbian or something?

*GASP*

Ohana is gonna get...

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Shit like that isn't cliche... well.. maybe in...

(click to show/hide)

I highly doubt that'll happen. He probably doesn't even intend to.

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Re: Hana-Saku Iroha | How to Bloom a Flower
« Reply #97 on: April 12, 2011, 04:34:11 AM »
That and I really doubt rape is "How to Bloom a Flower"

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« Reply #98 on: April 12, 2011, 05:00:41 AM »
Watched the first episode, very interesting and peaceful. She's so pretty :3

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Re: Hana-Saku Iroha | How to Bloom a Flower
« Reply #99 on: April 12, 2011, 06:47:44 AM »
That and I really doubt rape is "How to Bloom a Flower"

 :D

On that note, what exactly is meant by "bloom" here? Maturing, coming of age, something like that?

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