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Re: Steins;Gate [Series] [Visual Novel translated]
« Reply #220 on: June 01, 2011, 03:44:21 PM »
ultimately he will lose his mind completely.
>> implying that he isn't completely out of his mind already

A point many seem to be missing, Okarin from episode 1 might as well be Okarin 4.0. But then that doesn't explain why he made such a stupid mistake on ep 9. Could be why Kurisu died to begin with.
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« Reply #221 on: June 01, 2011, 04:37:22 PM »
maybe she did sepuku when she realized she met a total ass ? :)

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« Reply #222 on: June 01, 2011, 10:20:15 PM »
Spoilers below (not going to bother putting it into tags; if you don't want spoilers, don't read the ongoing discussion without watching what's ongoing).


There are plenty of flags that should have been raised in his head this episode. I'll do 3.
1. Feyris owns that large of an area.
That's a pretty large area. At that point, a huge flag should have been raised in his head. A change in one important person's life can potentially be worth the change of 10000+ people's lives. Should have been only logical.
2. She wants to send it back 10 years... and he doesn't know what the message is.
Combine this with point 1.  Look at what happened when trapman decided to send a message back to before he was born... except the message was only to tell his mom to eat more veggies... yet it changed quite enough things in his life. Now, this powerful land owner wants to send a message back 10 years, with uncertain details. <insert Chris facepalming picture>
3. He actually HAS memories of the past, and he KNOWS how whack this D-mail shit gets!
He has had plenty of consequences happen around him which freaked the shit out of him. Combine this with points 1 and 2, does he have a brain?



As for this whole timeline debate, basically this is how I see it.

Say you have an original timeline. From there, you send a mail 10 years back (call it A). Then, from point A (10 years back), you have another timeline branch off from the original. However, it branches off, as shown in the anime. It doesn't completely eliminate the original. Now, suppose you made another change after A, where you sent a mail 15 years back instead (B). This would go back to the original timeline, not the one altered by B, and make another branch at point B. However, this doesn't necessarily mean that A won't branch off of THIS timeline divergence made by B. In other words, you would have a branch on the original at point B, and then a branch on the branch that just branched off of B, at time point A.

However, the other thing is event A doesn't have to happen if event B does. Suppose that B causes such a change that A never happens on that timeline. This probably gets pretty complicated, pretty fast, and it becomes hard to tell what the hell will happen and what won't.

There are probably a few holes in my theory (I can feel them somewhere, but I'm not going to go to great lengths for this; this is an on-the-fly analysis from me. Feel free to point them out though).

So, I would say it's perfectly within Okabe's power to "change things back", but the question is what was changed in the first place. But... maybe he doesn't quite need to know that. Because he could just send himself an email telling himself to not let Feyris sway him 10.5 (note the 0.5) years in the future. Supposing that divergence works like I think it should, it may create an entire new branch where he doesn't let her send one to the past, and transfer him over to that line. Normally, this wouldn't be possible, because everyone's memories should be altered, so they shouldn't know that there was another timeline (technically, "world line" as the anime terms it; not sure if this terminology has significant consequences) to begin with.

Cute, huh?

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Re: Steins;Gate [Series] [Visual Novel translated]
« Reply #223 on: June 02, 2011, 06:49:02 AM »
I think my explanation was easier to understand :)

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« Reply #224 on: June 02, 2011, 07:13:01 AM »
Dunno, I didn't really read yours (skimmed, at best). As with most of my descriptions, I was simply going for mostly accuracy and detail. I don't really care if it's simple to understand or not.

I do want to proceed with the analysis, but it's easier to wait for the developers to reveal a few details that I need first, so I'm not going to bother speculating further. The imagery they keep using may be a bit misleading.

But this is some fun stuff.

Cute, huh?

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« Reply #225 on: June 02, 2011, 02:44:59 PM »
I think I just found a very fatal flaw.
Their device seems to have unlimited range, or at least a very wide range.
From her home to their lab is quite a ways, so does activating the device sends a D-Mail automatically ? if so then there must have been hundreds of mails and finding one that changed the history is impossible :D

Major flaw in the story XD

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« Reply #226 on: June 02, 2011, 03:49:06 PM »
no i think their machine is the actual transmitter.

anyway, boooo the manga is stuck at ch.06 while you guys are enjoying the anime... pft.

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« Reply #227 on: June 02, 2011, 05:27:12 PM »
wait, so the manga is stuck and the anime is ahead ?
original material smells bad in this one.

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« Reply #228 on: June 02, 2011, 07:14:48 PM »
isnt this based one the visual novel?  ???

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« Reply #229 on: June 03, 2011, 03:31:49 AM »
So far i've been fine with Okarin's eccentricities. I've only enjoyed it until now...

The fact that he made such a fatal logic flaw is beyond my comprehension... Everyone's already mentioned that he never considered the facts that the message was being sent 10 years into the past, that she and her father are influential, and he never bothered to even TRY to pry the messege out of her but i still feel the need to rage at such stupidity. He spends all his time thinking in his head he's some mad scientist  and just herp derps around not even considering the fact that even without considering before mentioned important reason to say 'maybe we shoulden't do this' but he also fails to put together that if he allows her to change time their agreement that she gives him the IBN 5100 is null and void the minute they change time because he's the only one who remembers it!!!!! ARRRRRRRGH!!!!!!
 
Ok, i'm done now...


I think I just found a very fatal flaw.
Their device seems to have unlimited range, or at least a very wide range.
From her home to their lab is quite a ways, so does activating the device sends a D-Mail automatically ? if so then there must have been hundreds of mails and finding one that changed the history is impossible :D

Major flaw in the story XD

I believe the original text messages are being sent to the cell phone attached to the Timecrowave (yes, that is what i am calling it!) and then sending the data to the Timecrowave where it is then sent out in time/space/wibbly wobbly stuff by way of sketchy black hole. In essence the setup is two devices (possibly three since I'm not sure what is actually on top of the microwave... maybe i missed something). Sender's cell phone>cell towers>cell phone attached to timecrowave>black hole>receiving cell phone. What bothers me however is that if i recall they needed the IBN 5100 to translate SERN's messages. Wouldn't the fact that they no longer have this crucail part of the plot that we've been jerked around with mess up the time lines where they discover the D-mail technology? I can't really remember very well now so I'm going to have to go re watch some crucial episodes and look this over. It still strikes me as odd that all these things are changing around them due to the butterfly effect but they still have the actual time machine... PLOT ARMOR BE DAMNED!!! I call bullshit!!

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« Reply #230 on: June 03, 2011, 06:36:32 AM »
The cell phone by the microwave, is his own ...

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« Reply #231 on: June 03, 2011, 01:02:27 PM »
So far i've been fine with Okarin's eccentricities. I've only enjoyed it until now...

The fact that he made such a fatal logic flaw is beyond my comprehension... Everyone's already mentioned that he never considered the facts that the message was being sent 10 years into the past, that she and her father are influential, and he never bothered to even TRY to pry the messege out of her but i still feel the need to rage at such stupidity. He spends all his time thinking in his head he's some mad scientist  and just herp derps around not even considering the fact that even without considering before mentioned important reason to say 'maybe we shoulden't do this' but he also fails to put together that if he allows her to change time their agreement that she gives him the IBN 5100 is null and void the minute they change time because he's the only one who remembers it!!!!! ARRRRRRRGH!!!!!!
 
Ok, i'm done now...


I think I just found a very fatal flaw.
Their device seems to have unlimited range, or at least a very wide range.
From her home to their lab is quite a ways, so does activating the device sends a D-Mail automatically ? if so then there must have been hundreds of mails and finding one that changed the history is impossible :D

Major flaw in the story XD

I believe the original text messages are being sent to the cell phone attached to the Timecrowave (yes, that is what i am calling it!) and then sending the data to the Timecrowave where it is then sent out in time/space/wibbly wobbly stuff by way of sketchy black hole. In essence the setup is two devices (possibly three since I'm not sure what is actually on top of the microwave... maybe i missed something). Sender's cell phone>cell towers>cell phone attached to timecrowave>black hole>receiving cell phone. What bothers me however is that if i recall they needed the IBN 5100 to translate SERN's messages. Wouldn't the fact that they no longer have this crucail part of the plot that we've been jerked around with mess up the time lines where they discover the D-mail technology? I can't really remember very well now so I'm going to have to go re watch some crucial episodes and look this over. It still strikes me as odd that all these things are changing around them due to the butterfly effect but they still have the actual time machine... PLOT ARMOR BE DAMNED!!! I call bullshit!!

The day the microwave magically disappears infront of him is the day i start betting on which episode he dies. Last episode being an obvious cop out.
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Re: Steins;Gate [Series] [Visual Novel translated]
« Reply #232 on: June 04, 2011, 03:20:11 AM »
So i found two videos i coulden't help but love just now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W83mkPLgBdk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tia8dZbuywU

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« Reply #233 on: June 04, 2011, 07:22:51 AM »
pretty funny those are.
On the story note, I wonder if that cat girl (whatchamacallit) did actually hate the moe~ to want to change it like that, she seemed very into it. Or maybe she just missed her daddy?

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« Reply #234 on: June 04, 2011, 01:37:36 PM »
It's pretty obvious she sent that messege to her father and instead of spending time working or whatever he now spent more of his time in this new time line taking care of her or something similar to that.

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« Reply #235 on: June 04, 2011, 01:46:29 PM »
oh really ?
well, thank you for telling us that much, even though it isn't what we are wondering about in this story.

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« Reply #236 on: June 04, 2011, 01:56:54 PM »
I've been putting off Steins;Gate for no apparent reason, but I think I may go and get eps 7-9 now...

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« Reply #237 on: June 04, 2011, 11:20:34 PM »
It's pretty obvious she sent that messege to her father and instead of spending time working or whatever he now spent more of his time in this new time line taking care of her or something similar to that.

Or, more starotypically, he would ahve died had she not sent that message. Yeah, I agree thats more plasible

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but given that this is an anime, I bet they broke the rule which should never be broeken.

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« Reply #238 on: June 06, 2011, 12:12:01 AM »
What part of "Mad Scientist" don't you get? He stated that he thinks tedious research boring, and won't do it. So why should he be a good scientist, when that isn't what he wants to do? He has a lab assistant for that. lol

I thought the only way so far that a microwave can be made a time machine was from the application of generating steam. Sorry but it has been several years since I last read about it. I don't want to research it up now, because I am a mad scientist. lol No, because it might spoil the show.
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Re: Steins;Gate [Series] [Visual Novel translated]
« Reply #239 on: June 06, 2011, 12:25:58 AM »
The day the microwave magically disappears infront of him is the day i start betting on which episode he dies. Last episode being an obvious cop out.

IIRC Kyouma actually loses the microwave after helping Feiris in the VN. Because of his actions, there never had been a lab thus there is no time machine, leaving him stuck in that timeline but with Feiris as his lover, lol. Only opted for that ending once. After replaying that route again, the conditions for losing the time machine are slightly different.

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