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Steins;Gate [Series] [Visual Novel translated]
Meomix:
--- Quote from: jaybug on June 06, 2011, 12:12:01 AM ---What part of "Mad Scientist" don't you get? He stated that he thinks tedious research boring, and won't do it. So why should he be a good scientist, when that isn't what he wants to do? He has a lab assistant for that. lol
I thought the only way so far that a microwave can be made a time machine was from the application of generating steam. Sorry but it has been several years since I last read about it. I don't want to research it up now, because I am a mad scientist. lol No, because it might spoil the show.
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Hoohoo so that what mad scientist actually meant? I thought it was all about breaking taboo's, still does not dismiss his retarded move with Feyris.
Havoc10K:
nope, it doesn't, it would have made sense if that was the end of the story though, but nope, even mad scientist should be careful with SOME things :)
nstgc:
--- Quote from: Antheon on June 06, 2011, 12:25:58 AM ---
--- Quote from: Meomix on June 03, 2011, 01:02:27 PM ---The day the microwave magically disappears infront of him is the day i start betting on which episode he dies. Last episode being an obvious cop out.
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IIRC Kyouma actually loses the microwave after helping Feiris in the VN. Because of his actions, there never had been a lab thus there is no time machine, leaving him stuck in that timeline but with Feiris as his lover, lol. Only opted for that ending once. After replaying that route again, the conditions for losing the time machine are slightly different.
@nstgc
There is no rule that should never be broken. You can never fool your destiny. ;P
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In anime, there is one rule that can be broken, and has been broken, bur is treated as a rule which should never be broken more times then not. While there are exceptions (Monster Princess for instance) a bring a person back from the dead, if possible, is treated as a very bad idea.
TiYlER:
--- Quote from: dbml on June 06, 2011, 06:47:15 AM ---
--- Quote from: TiYlER on June 06, 2011, 01:18:56 AM ---there is something odd about Titor...
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Yeah. I have a crazy feeling it's Okarin from the future but... only time will tell.
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That is actually what I was thinking! And if it isn't true, he is in someway connected with them. He has to be. (If not, then I'll be disappointed...)
Antheon:
--- Quote from: Havoc10K on June 06, 2011, 06:14:42 AM ---Like what ?
We pretty much know nothing about him/her :)
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Oh, we already know something about Titor. It's just too soon to come to a precise conclusion. Let us collect the data we have on him (I'll keep him male, not because I say he is but because John is a male name).
(click to show/hide)1. In alpha timeline - you might refer to it as the original timeline from episode one, though that term is a bit misleading - John Titor time traveled to the year 2000 or earlier. We have no clue when exactly he arrived in the past, only that he started writing about time travelling on the internet in 2000.
2. The John Titor of alpha timeline seemed to have another reason to time travel than the John Titor of beta timeline. Why I think that way? Well, the most obvious would be that alpha Titor chose to time travel to 2000 while beta Titor never intended to do so and rather went to 2010. In addition to that, it seems that it isn't only a time discrepancy but also including space. We might assume that alpha Titor appeared in America thus writing on the American internet instead of the Japanese. Also, alpha Titor only said that he wanted to save the future whereas beta Titor clearly warned people that SERN is going to rule a dystopian world. I guess it is save to assume that John Titor would always have a reason for leaping through time and not randomly choose a year because that's fun. Whatever changed on July 23 also changed the future or at least John Titor.
3. John Titor was/is in possession of a real time leaping device. He already stated that he never heard of the D-mail before so he is using a different method to time travel. To still know about the future, he either moved his consciousness/mind to his present self or rather really time traveled. If he can only move his memories than he is limited in time travelling as it might be slightly difficult to move your mind to a you that hasn't been born yet. If he really does time travel, his time leaping device is much more advanced than both the Future Gadget Lab's phone microwave and SERN's device. If you carefully watched S;G you might also suspect what kind of time travelling device Titor has ...
4. John Titor seems to have another objective aside from preventing SERN's dystopia. While the other so-called facts have some kind of proof this is mostly speculation but isn't it odd that someone who wants to go against SERN time travels to Japan instead of Switzerland? Another question would be why the year 2010? If SERN successfully created a time machine in 2034 why going to 2010 and not for example 2030? One could argue that it had to be 2010 as it's still Okabe's story and he finds out about the phone microwave's power in 2010 but we do not know if Titor knew about the Future Gadget Lab before the time travel. So there could be another reason for Titor to choose Japan from 2010 ...
5. Steins;Gate's John Titor and our John Titor share some background. He is a time traveler from 2036 and travels back in time to warn people about a dystopia to come. He needs the IBN 5100 to prevent it. Now we might also speculate about other background similarities. He might be American or American/Japanese. He might have traveled to 1975 but - for some unknown reasons - kept quiet until 2000. Or he went to 2000, finished whatever he wanted to do and traveled to 1975. Our John Titor said that he stopped in 2000 for personal reasons, e.g. family. The S;G Titor might be doing the same thing in both alpha and beta timeline. Alpha Titor might have traveled back in time to prevent World War III. That would explain why he was so generic only warning people about a sad future instead of giving details. Because of beta timeline there wouldn't be a WWIII in his future but SERN appeared instead and turned the world upside-down. So something might have happened on July 28 and changed the future completely. If you take Makise Kurisu into this formula, we could assume that her death in alpha timeline might have caused or be related to WWIII. That is, if S;G copied the real John Titor's reason for time travelling ...
Now about his true identity ...
(click to show/hide)1. John Titor could be a future self of Okabe Rintarō. What supports this theory is that Titor stated that you can meet your past self without fearing the Grandfather paradox. Though there are many problems with it. John Titor does not behave like Okabe at all nor does he contact his former self first. He is surprised that Rintarō remembers previous world lines which he should remember if he were his future self. Instead he wants Okabe to become a messiah, something we would not expect out of Okarin's mouth ...
2. John Titor is Makise Kurisu. That would explain the American/Japanese difference but there is one huge problem: Kurisu does not believe in time travel until she witnesses it with her own eyes. Either she is a damn good actress (if so her whole behavior ought to be an act ... riiiiight) or she is not Titor. Another thing that makes this option even more unlikely is that she has contact to her university and her professor. If Titor really just traveled to 2010 he could not have a university background, now could he?
3. John Titor is Amane Suzuha. The most likely candidate together with Moeka. She appeared as Mr. Brown's part-timer as soon as beta timeline is starting. John Titor appears roughly in the same timeframe. She has never seen fireworks before and her behavior is rather weird. She bears a grudge against Makise Kurisu altough she does not know her. She believes in brainwashing and she is also the one who suggests Rintarō to talk to John Titor though she couldn't possible know that Rintarō knows him - again, in beta timeline Titor just arrived and is not well-known outside of @channel. In addition to that she is the only one who does not seem to want to time travel after hearing about the phone microwave (aside from Mayuri of course), going so far as to mention to him that she is on his side ...
4. John Titor is Kiryū Moeka. The second most suspicious candidate. She is already looking for the IBN before Okabe even knows that he needs it himself. Who would need an IBN nowadays if not for hacking SERN's database? Making snapshots with her phone as proof of what she saw and experienced. Either she has some sort of anterograde amnesia or she knows/feels about the shifting of a world line. Or maybe she is just a weirdo who likes to take pictures ...
5. John Titor is someone else, unrelated to the recent cast. Could be possible that S;G wants us to believe one of the cast is John Titor while he is someone completely else. But then I guess you could say that we'd empathize more with him and his dark future if he were to be someone we already know.
I know, TL;DR, but I could not help it. Ignore it if you want to ... else I could continue about the aspects of time travel in S;G ...
@nstgc
I was referring to Steins;Gate not anime in general. If you talk about S;G then there is no bad idea regarding time travelling aside from time travelling itself. What I mean is that Steins;Gate bases the idea of time travelling on the Everett-Wheeler model of quantum physics, meaning that any possible time exists and that there are no paradoxes. Of course, based on the snowball effect, the bigger the change has been the stronger the future will be altered, so you could say it is a bad idea to prevent someone's death, as it will cause strong ripples in the space-time-continuum. But then again the big no-go has been time travelling to begin with. I'd like to go more into detail but I fear I'd spoiler you big time ...
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