Steins;Gate [Series] [Visual Novel translated]

[Havoc10K]

You said he doesn't know, he was told so, so he knows. Okabe isn't into BL so he doesn't do his route so he can memorize it.

I don't particularly like Moeka, but she redeemed herself in my eyes.

[tomoya-kun]

You said he doesn't know, he was told so, so he knows. Okabe isn't into BL so he doesn't do his route so he can memorize it.

I don't particularly like Moeka, but she redeemed herself in my eyes.

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Will she still die in this world line, because the world line did not diverge yet so she and mr.braun should still die?  Is that correct?

[Havoc10K]

Not really,

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he reversed her D-mail. Now they are onto reversing Okabe's d-mail, the only thing left to do is saving Kurisu. But in all honesty, he already tried in the first episode.

[tomoya-kun]

Not really,

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he reversed her D-mail. Now they are onto reversing Okabe's d-mail, the only thing left to do is saving Kurisu. But in all honesty, he already tried in the first episode.

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But I thought that reversing D-Mails cannot prevent a death indefinitely, like how Mayuri is destined to die?  Each D-mail delays her death by a certain period of time, so why would a D-Mail prevent Moeka's death entirely?  

Because it is seen that in this world line, both Moeka and Mr. Braun die.  In SG's interpretation of time, it seems that this can't be avoided unless the world line diverges.  And the last D-Mail sent did not change the world line.

So even if her d-mail caused her death, she would have died eventually in this world line (as events seem to be an eventuality and not a probability).

[Meomix]

Suddenly BAM! Episode 0 is making a whole lotta sense now.

[Havoc10K]

Not really,

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he reversed her D-mail. Now they are onto reversing Okabe's d-mail, the only thing left to do is saving Kurisu. But in all honesty, he already tried in the first episode.

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But I thought that reversing D-Mails cannot prevent a death indefinitely, like how Mayuri is destined to die?  Each D-mail delays her death by a certain period of time, so why would a D-Mail prevent Moeka's death entirely? 

Because it is seen that in this world line, both Moeka and Mr. Braun die.  In SG's interpretation of time, it seems that this can't be avoided unless the world line diverges.  And the last D-Mail sent did not change the world line.

So even if her d-mail caused her death, she would have died eventually in this world line (as events seem to be an eventuality and not a probability).

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learn to pay attention to the screen, Okabe sent a D-Mail from Mr.Broun's Cell as FB preventing Moeka from doing anything wrong to kill Mayuri or cause her death, the causality that was triggering that was nearly gone, the fact remains that SERN is still after them, so if they remove the first D-Mail Sern will not have a need to hunt them down, hence Mayuri's life will not be in danger, however Kurisu's life is forfeit in the Beta line where everything started from.

Pay attention.

[tomoya-kun]

Not really,

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he reversed her D-mail. Now they are onto reversing Okabe's d-mail, the only thing left to do is saving Kurisu. But in all honesty, he already tried in the first episode.

(click to show/hide)

But I thought that reversing D-Mails cannot prevent a death indefinitely, like how Mayuri is destined to die?  Each D-mail delays her death by a certain period of time, so why would a D-Mail prevent Moeka's death entirely? 

Because it is seen that in this world line, both Moeka and Mr. Braun die.  In SG's interpretation of time, it seems that this can't be avoided unless the world line diverges.  And the last D-Mail sent did not change the world line.

So even if her d-mail caused her death, she would have died eventually in this world line (as events seem to be an eventuality and not a probability).

1-learn to spoiler
2-

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learn to pay attention to the screen, Okabe sent a D-Mail from Mr.Broun's Cell as FB preventing Moeka from doing anything wrong to kill Mayuri or cause her death, the causality that was triggering that was nearly gone, the fact remains that SERN is still after them, so if they remove the first D-Mail Sern will not have a need to hunt them down, hence Mayuri's life will not be in danger, however Kurisu's life is forfeit in the Beta line where everything started from.

Pay attention.

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But the fact remains that they work for SERN in this world line, so when Moeka finishes her task (whatever it may have changed to) she will be killed by SERN completing the eventuality.  And the same with Mr. Braun.  In all likelyhood, they will complete their assigned tasks before their natural deaths, so in this world line SERN still kills them (eventually).

Their deaths may have been delayed for long period of time, perhaps even years, but it is still an eventuality (I believe) as they work under SERN in this line.

Whether or not they die in the beta line is unknown.

[Havoc10K]

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Not really,

(click to show/hide)

he reversed her D-mail. Now they are onto reversing Okabe's d-mail, the only thing left to do is saving Kurisu. But in all honesty, he already tried in the first episode.

(click to show/hide)

But I thought that reversing D-Mails cannot prevent a death indefinitely, like how Mayuri is destined to die?  Each D-mail delays her death by a certain period of time, so why would a D-Mail prevent Moeka's death entirely? 

Because it is seen that in this world line, both Moeka and Mr. Braun die.  In SG's interpretation of time, it seems that this can't be avoided unless the world line diverges.  And the last D-Mail sent did not change the world line.

So even if her d-mail caused her death, she would have died eventually in this world line (as events seem to be an eventuality and not a probability).

1-learn to spoiler
2-

(click to show/hide)

learn to pay attention to the screen, Okabe sent a D-Mail from Mr.Broun's Cell as FB preventing Moeka from doing anything wrong to kill Mayuri or cause her death, the causality that was triggering that was nearly gone, the fact remains that SERN is still after them, so if they remove the first D-Mail Sern will not have a need to hunt them down, hence Mayuri's life will not be in danger, however Kurisu's life is forfeit in the Beta line where everything started from.

Pay attention.

(click to show/hide)

But the fact remains that they work for SERN in this world line, so when Moeka finishes her task (whatever it may have changed to) she will be killed by SERN completing the eventuality.  And the same with Mr. Braun.  In all likelyhood, they will complete their assigned tasks before their natural deaths, so in this world line SERN still kills them (eventually).

Their deaths may have been delayed for long period of time, perhaps even years, but it is still an eventuality (I believe) as they work under SERN in this line.

Whether or not they die in the beta line is unknown.

Yet again, I need to point out you are not paying any attention.

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Okabe makes certain promises along the way, knowing what will be happening he makes promises he will stop the deaths of people dear to him, starting from obvious Mayuri, then he needs to save Kurisu, Moeka, and eventually Mr.Broun.

Mayuri is pretty much safe by now, then he needs to somehow save Kurisu. Employ Moeka to prevent hear suicide, and Mr.Broun will not have a reason to kill himself if SERN would not know about the time machine.

[tomoya-kun]

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Not really,

(click to show/hide)

he reversed her D-mail. Now they are onto reversing Okabe's d-mail, the only thing left to do is saving Kurisu. But in all honesty, he already tried in the first episode.

(click to show/hide)

But I thought that reversing D-Mails cannot prevent a death indefinitely, like how Mayuri is destined to die?  Each D-mail delays her death by a certain period of time, so why would a D-Mail prevent Moeka's death entirely? 

Because it is seen that in this world line, both Moeka and Mr. Braun die.  In SG's interpretation of time, it seems that this can't be avoided unless the world line diverges.  And the last D-Mail sent did not change the world line.

So even if her d-mail caused her death, she would have died eventually in this world line (as events seem to be an eventuality and not a probability).

1-learn to spoiler
2-

(click to show/hide)

learn to pay attention to the screen, Okabe sent a D-Mail from Mr.Broun's Cell as FB preventing Moeka from doing anything wrong to kill Mayuri or cause her death, the causality that was triggering that was nearly gone, the fact remains that SERN is still after them, so if they remove the first D-Mail Sern will not have a need to hunt them down, hence Mayuri's life will not be in danger, however Kurisu's life is forfeit in the Beta line where everything started from.

Pay attention.

(click to show/hide)

But the fact remains that they work for SERN in this world line, so when Moeka finishes her task (whatever it may have changed to) she will be killed by SERN completing the eventuality.  And the same with Mr. Braun.  In all likelyhood, they will complete their assigned tasks before their natural deaths, so in this world line SERN still kills them (eventually).

Their deaths may have been delayed for long period of time, perhaps even years, but it is still an eventuality (I believe) as they work under SERN in this line.

Whether or not they die in the beta line is unknown.

Yet again, I need to point out you are not paying any attention.

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Okabe makes certain promises along the way, knowing what will be happening he makes promises he will stop the deaths of people dear to him, starting from obvious Mayuri, then he needs to save Kurisu, Moeka, and eventually Mr.Broun.

Mayuri is pretty much safe by now, then he needs to somehow save Kurisu. Employ Moeka to prevent hear suicide, and Mr.Broun will not have a reason to kill himself if SERN would not know about the time machine.

I see how that works now, I guess.

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But Mayuri is not safe yet, he needs to undo the last one as her death is still going to happen.  He will have to make a choice.

Maybe Kurisu will realize that she is going to die, time leap herself back and mess some stuff up.

[Havoc10K]

There are possible ways of preventing her death, but like Meomix said, first episode now makes a lot more sense, maybe you should rewatch it, i think it's on BluRays already.

[Meomix]

There are possible ways of preventing her death, but like Meomix said, first episode now makes a lot more sense, maybe you should rewatch it, i think it's on BluRays already.

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Nah i'm talking about halfway through the series when Okabe was talking about his past before the events of episode 1 even began, 9 year old Mayushi was acting awfully strange at one particular instance.
And then there's the dessert scene and that AD timer that keeps flickering across the screen.

If you were to rewind that AD timer all the way down to 0 what era would it point to?

[tomoya-kun]

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I wish he'd just stay on that time line so that I can see how Makise joins them, I'm not sure how that would happen.  Maybe through forceful capture?

[Nikran]

The series has proven to be quite interesting.

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Though I do have some problems with the predetermined events (regardless of time travel). Tbh it should be impossible to get back to his beta timeline because of how d-mail works. D-mail results in a cause and effect where once you've sent a d-mail the cause ceases to exist and only the effect remains. Okabe might have averted the events resulting from the d-mail by sending another d-mail in turn, however he still couldn't get rid of the original d-mails sent. The very act of receiving those messages on peoples phones and reading them alters history and only by erasing them (before being received and read) could you unmake every change that has happend.

Steins gate time travel is seriously harsh and lenient at the same time. Only in there world could you have world lines where every timeline has predetermined events which they ALL lead to. Yet reverting changes doesn't demand that you remove the original change, infact you can make another change to fix things and everything is peachy (Despite two alterations now present in the timeline).

[Havoc10K]

The series has proven to be quite interesting.

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Though I do have some problems with the predetermined events (regardless of time travel). Tbh it should be impossible to get back to his beta timeline because of how d-mail works. D-mail results in a cause and effect where once you've sent a d-mail the cause ceases to exist and only the effect remains. Okabe might have averted the events resulting from the d-mail by sending another d-mail in turn, however he still couldn't get rid of the original d-mails sent. The very act of receiving those messages on peoples phones and reading them alters history and only by erasing them (before being received and read) could you unmake every change that has happend.

Steins gate time travel is seriously harsh and lenient at the same time. Only in there world could you have world lines where every timeline has predetermined events which they ALL lead to. Yet reverting changes doesn't demand that you remove the original change, infact you can make another change to fix things and everything is peachy (Despite two alterations now present in the timeline).

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He isn't coming back to the original timeline because that is impossible, but it is possible to create a timeline similar to it, it's the beta timeline. Right now he is reshaping the Alpha timeline that started at original timeline where he sent the first d-mail.

All this work is still going to end up in the Beta timeline like Suzu said, right now they are on the threads of one line, originating from the first timeline. Their goal is to jump from that line through the threads onto the Beta Time line. They are not restoring the timeline to original point. They are shifting through them to the starting point in a different timeline that is similar to the first one.

I so hope this makes sense to you. I really do it sounds very complicated.

[Nikran]

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He isn't coming back to the original timeline because that is impossible, but it is possible to create a timeline similar to it, it's the beta timeline. Right now he is reshaping the Alpha timeline that started at original timeline where he sent the first d-mail.

All this work is still going to end up in the Beta timeline like Suzu said, right now they are on the threads of one line, originating from the first timeline. Their goal is to jump from that line through the threads onto the Beta Time line. They are not restoring the timeline to original point. They are shifting through them to the starting point in a different timeline that is similar to the first one.

I so hope this makes sense to you. I really do it sounds very complicated.

hmm...

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A world similar to the original beta one, possible. Yet the world created will be very far off because of countless changes from multiple effects (The d-mails) still present in the timeline. Even something as small as receiving a message and taking the time to read it alters history. That person should have been at X place at X time, but because of that message they might be at the location late or now goto a whole new location. That persons history will continue to be diffrent from they way it would have gone if they did not get the d-mail and it can result in endless changes, both big and small to their life. This will not remain isolated to that person who recieved the message, because they have divated from their path they affect the paths of everyone they interact with and those people in turn will go on to affect others they interact with. This results in an infinite web of changes that kicked off from such a small thing as getting a text message.

Now that I just said above was complicated, your thing was simple in comparison =P

[Havoc10K]

Yes, that is why I keep saying the timeline will be similar, not an exact copy of the original timeline

[tomoya-kun]

Yes, that is why I keep saying the timeline will be similar, not an exact copy of the original timeline

I see.  Perhaps that is correct.

[jaybug]

There are just too many variables for me to keep track of in my head. Certainly not without taking notes. But then I am watching this for entertainment, not a 300 level physics class. Or would that be a 300 level math class. Either way I am not proficient in time theory.

I'm just so glad that this story is fascinating, what with all the techno-babble.

BUT...

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here we go again with the Solomon's choice crap. Okabe kills Mayuri, Okabe Kills Kurisu with his decision. Gotta suck to be him now eh?

Will Mr. Mad Scientist find a happy medium? Or will he date a grumpy psychic....

[Havoc10K]

He didn't drink his Dr.Pepper in a while, he needs it now more than ever

He has options, but he needs to plan it now a little further.

[tomoya-kun]

What was the end of that episode about?  The very last 10 seconds with Kurisu?

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I suspect she may have time lept to prevent herself from dying