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Steins;Gate [Series] [Visual Novel translated]
tomoya-kun:
--- Quote from: Havoc10K on September 01, 2011, 10:10:39 AM --- (click to show/hide)The change looks major to us, but for the world it isn't a major change, every character in the world is as important as a fly's fart, we are all insignificant, so any small change can bring out huge or minimum result, the result may be tragic for us, but in all honesty, the world doesn't give a shit. That is why I keep saying that this is constantly the butterfly effect, if Kurisu doesn't die and Mayushi doesn't die, those changes are still small, they just like x and y in mathematical manner, since x and y don't vanish, z occurs, now we have multiple variations of the z, it can be z1= the fly in north america farts loudly and everyone laughs, z2= you initially didn't want to buy a book, but you bought the book due to x+y=alive. Or z99645538=the world ends with an arctic meltdown (still doesn't affect the world itself cuz it still doesn't give a shit, just mankind=wipe *i hope*) So as you can see every change is a butterfly effect to another result. Kurisu and Mayushi staying alive means great success for Okarin, however a person that lives 2 blocks away doesn't even care about this and decides to wage world war 3.
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There is more to the initial world line change than meets the eye.
Kurisu DOES NOT need to stay alive in order to allow for SERN's takeover. In the old world line, she dies once, and even if she dies, SERN takes over. Now isn't that weird? Her death should have instantly changed the world lines, yet nothing happened. Therefore, either something else was behind her death to change the world line,
or this is an entire world based on INITIAL CONDITIONS. Perhaps when splitting a time line, the outcome is deterministic and is entirely based on the initial conditions. Yes, that is the butterfly effect, but nothing occurring within the time line can prevent the inevitable outcome.
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Havoc10K:
From where do you know that SERN takes over if Kurisu dies ?
(click to show/hide)Sern took over because she didn't die, Okarin made the D-Mail. That is how SERN knew about a working prototype of a time machine, Suzuha came into contact with them due to Kurisu being alive, and she believed Kurisu aided SERN.
tomoya-kun:
--- Quote from: Havoc10K on September 01, 2011, 04:46:39 PM ---From where do you know that SERN takes over if Kurisu dies ?
(click to show/hide)Sern took over because she didn't die, Okarin made the D-Mail. That is how SERN knew about a working prototype of a time machine, Suzuha came into contact with them due to Kurisu being alive, and she believed Kurisu aided SERN.
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I know this because she dies in EP13. As shown in this photo. A neck gunshot wound is a kill. With no change in the world line or divergence meter.
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Havoc10K:
If i am not mistaken, Kurisu died there shot by shining fingers, defending Mayushi, who dies anyway. Or something like that, it means She already participated in Okarin's experiment about the D-Mail. So SERN is active due to the D-Mail. Am I mistaken ?
tomoya-kun:
--- Quote from: Havoc10K on September 01, 2011, 04:51:39 PM ---If i am not mistaken, Kurisu died there shot by shining fingers, defending Mayushi, who dies anyway. Or something like that, it means She already participated in Okarin's experiment about the D-Mail. So SERN is active due to the D-Mail. Am I mistaken ?
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You are correct. I think that Kurisu is not important after the creation of the time leap machine / phone microwave, as SERN will already have the means to create a time machine. She may be killed after that point, with no effect.
The difference in her first death is that she dies before the creation of the phone microwave and time leap machines.
This is in agreement with what I said earlier. The initial conditions (during a world line split) determines the outcome independent of actions that occur in the new world line (apart from splitting the line again).
How about this as a possibility
(click to show/hide) Suzuha killed Makise Kurisu. If I am not forgotten, her machine landed in the same building that Kurisu was in. This, although causing a divergence, does not change the occurrence of SERN taking over, as they already have the capability to develop time travel.
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