Steins;Gate [Series] [Visual Novel translated]

[Havoc10K]

WRONG
Kurisu took no credit in building the Microwave machine at all. It was already made by Okarin and that dude.
Kurisu was important for sern because she was a genius. But since they had the maker of the project himself, Kurisu wasn't actually needed. In fact, just having the microwave machine SERN would have figured it out on their own making Okarin not needed. they would actually incarcerate them all or simply killed them if they refused to help, but the end result would not change. SERN would still take over the world since thy could make a real Machine by studying Okarin's invention.

[tomoya-kun]

WRONG
Kurisu took no credit in building the Microwave machine at all. It was already made by Okarin and that dude.
Kurisu was important for sern because she was a genius. But since they had the maker of the project himself, Kurisu wasn't actually needed. In fact, just having the microwave machine SERN would have figured it out on their own making Okarin not needed. they would actually incarcerate them all or simply killed them if they refused to help, but the end result would not change. SERN would still take over the world since thy could make a real Machine by studying Okarin's invention.

Okarin created the phone microwave but did not know about it until kurisu explained it's full capabilities.  She also CREATED the time leap machine, which may have been critical.

She was of critical importance, which is why should could not die before these events.

[Nikran]

WRONG
Kurisu took no credit in building the Microwave machine at all. It was already made by Okarin and that dude.
Kurisu was important for sern because she was a genius. But since they had the maker of the project himself, Kurisu wasn't actually needed. In fact, just having the microwave machine SERN would have figured it out on their own making Okarin not needed. they would actually incarcerate them all or simply killed them if they refused to help, but the end result would not change. SERN would still take over the world since thy could make a real Machine by studying Okarin's invention.

From the way I remember it the rounders always tried to capture Okabe, Kurisu and fat boy, only mayushi was the one they were ordered to get rid of. I would have figured that SERN was aware that there was the phone microwave and later on the time leap built by Kurisu. That would have made her a priority to capture for that alone (Plus the fact that only Kurisu understands the science behind both phone microwave and time leap. I'm fairly certain Okabe doesn't have a fucking clue how either machine accomplishes what it does).

Edit: looks like tomoya beat me to pointing out some of those details =P

[Havoc10K]

Kurisu is only important due to her intelligence, it's true that she could have explained what was going on. But it WAS Okarin who built the machine. Essentially, SERN didn't need any of the trio. Just having the device would be enough for them. Kurisu's machine was built based on Okarin's device. She is a genius and that alone is value enough to kidnap. But she was not critical objective, that status only belonged to the device.

[tomoya-kun]

Kurisu is only important due to her intelligence, it's true that she could have explained what was going on. But it WAS Okarin who built the machine. Essentially, SERN didn't need any of the trio. Just having the device would be enough for them. Kurisu's machine was built based on Okarin's device. She is a genius and that alone is value enough to kidnap. But she was not critical objective, that status only belonged to the device.

Correct.  The change in the world line was not that Kurisu would not become one of SERN's leaders; the change was that the phone microwave would never be realized, as Okarin is an idiot and doesn't really know what's going on.

[Havoc10K]

No, he doesn't have any idea how he made that device lol.

He would have eventually figure it out though, after all, he is smart, just dense. And overprotective about Mayushi. But in general, most of the ideas for his devices were smart, the problem was he was both lazy and kind of silly. Also keep in mind he was in no hurry at all until the tragic events.

[tomoya-kun]

No, he doesn't have any idea how he made that device lol.

He would have eventually figure it out though, after all, he is smart, just dense. And overprotective about Mayushi. But in general, most of the ideas for his devices were smart, the problem was he was both lazy and kind of silly. Also keep in mind he was in no hurry at all until the tragic events.

^^ The story seems to prove that.  Suzuha arrives in a time machine (presumably), which means that at some point he did figure it out himself.  Though somehow I doubt, I'm not sure that guy even has university degree.

[Lord of Fire]

Okabe made the microwave time machine, Kurisu 'perfected' it. He probably could have finished it without her eventually, but could he have done it before WWIII and the end of the world as they know it? I have my doubts, especially if he doesn't fully understand what he's trying to achieve.

Either way, Suzuha arriving there with the time machine probably sped things up a bit and I think that this is what actually started the disturbance in the timeline(s) and that the D-Mails only made matters worse. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the beta timeline we saw in episode 1 isn't even the 'perfect' timeline and that much more effort is going to be needed to permanently change Mayuri's fate – and that of the whole world.

[tomoya-kun]

Okabe made the microwave time machine, Kurisu 'perfected' it. He probably could have finished it without her eventually, but could he have done it before WWIII and the end of the world as they know it? I have my doubts, especially if he doesn't fully understand what he's trying to achieve.

Either way, Suzuha arriving there with the time machine probably sped things up a bit and I think that this is what actually started the disturbance in the timeline(s) and that the D-Mails only made matters worse. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the beta timeline we saw in episode 1 isn't even the 'perfect' timeline and that much more effort is going to be needed to permanently change Mayuri's fate – and that of the whole world.

Who would World War III be against anyway?  That has not been addressed.

[Havoc10K]

It doesn't matter since generally World Wars include action from the major countries anyways like the USA, France, UK, Usually Russia or China, and some satellite countries like Poland, Japan, Austria, majority of Europe needs to be at war with USA butting in and other smaller countries as well against multiple/single nation.

2 times the germans got their asses kicked so I would assume 3 times the charm, although looking at recent political developments from the time the VN actually was made I would assume Korea somehow achieved new status quo...Or one of Arabic countries.

At any rate, In my opinion, the perfect Line would be when no one near Okarin would die, and the world decays on it's own. What I would really want to see is more kissing. That was purely the sweetest scene roundup since many years.

[tomoya-kun]

It doesn't matter since generally World Wars include action from the major countries anyways like the USA, France, UK, Usually Russia or China, and some satellite countries like Poland, Japan, Austria, majority of Europe needs to be at war with USA butting in and other smaller countries as well against multiple/single nation.

2 times the germans got their asses kicked so I would assume 3 times the charm, although looking at recent political developments from the time the VN actually was made I would assume Korea somehow achieved new status quo...Or one of Arabic countries.

At any rate, In my opinion, the perfect Line would be when no one near Okarin would die, and the world decays on it's own. What I would really want to see is more kissing. That was purely the sweetest scene roundup since many years.

There is no way that the Germans fight again, they are still occupied by U.S.  Probably China, Russia or India.

I bet you, he finds the perfect world line, but in order for it to happen, he must die!

[Havoc10K]

The best solution to achieve the perfect line is to Time Leap before he actively tried the device, and after he saved Kurisu, then destroying all data about the device and the device itself.

That would prevent any experimentation with time and likely nothing would go wrong.

But that is simply not happening

[tomoya-kun]

The best solution to achieve the perfect line is to Time Leap before he actively tried the device, and after he saved Kurisu, then destroying all data about the device and the device itself.

That would prevent any experimentation with time and likely nothing would go wrong.

But that is simply not happening

He said somewhere that you can't time leap to before the device was created, I think.  Either that or he doesn't have the "Launch Code" (Suzuha gave him that launch code when SERN attacked).

[Havoc10K]

I suggest stopping theorizing for now and lets see what happens.

[tomoya-kun]

I suggest stopping theorizing for now and lets see what happens.

Well, I think that's correct what I said.

What else is supposed to talking about for 5 days.

[Blitzz]

I suggest stopping theorizing for now and lets see what happens.

Well, I think that's correct what I said.

What else is supposed to talking about for 5 days.

How about the Gamma timeline form the drama CDs where Okabe is part of the rounders? its translated on youtube, just finished it and it was awesome

[glitchhunter]

I am confused about a few things. I usually avoid time travel anime because it is way too confusing for me, but Steins;Gate looked too good to miss. Anyway, here are my confusions, if anyone wants to clarify for me...

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In the latest ep Kurisu talks about how she will still exist in the second world line even though she will be dead in the original world line. So, basically, the conciousness of the particular version of Okarin we have been watching will transfer back to the original world line. However, from my understanding, the Mayushi of the second world line who he's been trying to save will still die in that world line. From Okarin moving back to the first world line, he won't be saving anyone, because the Mayushi in the original world line doesn't die anyway. Also, there will still be an Okarin in the second world line that he swapped with. Will he too use the phone microwave to change world lines to try to 'save' Mayuri? Will there be an endless cycle of Okarin's swapping realities with other Okarin's?

Sorry if that sounded really confusing, but I can't explain my thoughts any better. If someone knows whats going on, please explain it to me. This is why I avoid time travel anime >_>

[Meomix]

I suggest stopping theorizing for now and lets see what happens.

Well, I think that's correct what I said.

What else is supposed to talking about for 5 days.

How about the Gamma timeline form the drama CDs where Okabe is part of the rounders? its translated on youtube, just finished it and it was awesome

Link please, seeing Okabe in a rounder mission suit would be awesome!

[tomoya-kun]

I am confused about a few things. I usually avoid time travel anime because it is way too confusing for me, but Steins;Gate looked too good to miss. Anyway, here are my confusions, if anyone wants to clarify for me...

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In the latest ep Kurisu talks about how she will still exist in the second world line even though she will be dead in the original world line. So, basically, the conciousness of the particular version of Okarin we have been watching will transfer back to the original world line. However, from my understanding, the Mayushi of the second world line who he's been trying to save will still die in that world line. From Okarin moving back to the first world line, he won't be saving anyone, because the Mayushi in the original world line doesn't die anyway. Also, there will still be an Okarin in the second world line that he swapped with. Will he too use the phone microwave to change world lines to try to 'save' Mayuri? Will there be an endless cycle of Okarin's swapping realities with other Okarin's?

Sorry if that sounded really confusing, but I can't explain my thoughts any better. If someone knows whats going on, please explain it to me. This is why I avoid time travel anime >_>

When you use the time jump machine your consciousness travels and I assume the original body has no mind and dies.

[Havoc10K]

What Kurisu meant

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is that even though she will be dead in the original timeline and the Beta one, in all others she will live, and in his memory.