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Would you be interested in a Play-By-Post RP?
undetz:
I'd say you're a little OP'd as described, Proin. Absorption of all light and radio waves would make you appear like a hole in reality rather than invisible in the common sense, it would also raise your body temperature to lethal levels really fast. If you were to bend them around you, however...
And your character has a second power to boot.
Joonas, would time manipulation powers be OK? Say I can slow it down or speed it up in a range of up to 1.5 meters around myself, the smaller the affected space, the larger the discrepancy can be. At maximum range and around my entire body I could affect the passage of time by a factor of 2, but I could nearly stop time for an object I'm holding enclosed in my hands, or make it age a century in a minute.
Proin Drakenzol:
--- Quote from: undetz on March 23, 2011, 08:37:17 AM ---I'd say you're a little OP'd as described, Proin. Absorption of all light and radio waves would make you appear like a hole in reality rather than invisible in the common sense, it would also raise your body temperature to lethal levels really fast. If you were to bend them around you, however...
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It's not an absorption of all light, when I say invisible I mean invisible. If she absorbed all light and heat she'd be detectable as (as you said) a "hole in reality." The absorption of radio waves and sound waves would, in fact, render her invisible to those detection methods as radar and sonar both require a return echo (no return echo, nothing there, and unless she was in a very small room there would still be enough return echoes around her to "show" the walls of the room, she wouldn't be a mysterious "blank spot").
And the reason I specify all that is because if she were merely able to become undetectable to sight then it would be trivially easy for even modern-day security or military forces to track and kill her.
--- Quote ---And your character has a second power to boot.
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True. But one that I wouldn't mind giving up. Nor would I mind limiting the main power so long as its reduced form wasn't rendered completely worthless (what good is being invisible on the normal spectrum if everyone has IR goggles, X-ray detectors, personal RADAR, etc.?)
--- Quote ---Joonas, would time manipulation powers be OK? Say I can slow it down or speed it up in a range of up to 1.5 meters around myself, the smaller the affected space, the larger the discrepancy can be. At maximum range and around my entire body I could affect the passage of time by a factor of 2, but I could nearly stop time for an object I'm holding enclosed in my hands, or make it age a century in a minute.
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You say my idea is OP? There's a reason haste and time stop are two of the most broken D&D spells of all time. :P
undetz:
--- Quote ---True. But one that I wouldn't mind giving up. Nor would I mind limiting the main power so long as its reduced form wasn't rendered completely worthless (what good is being invisible on the normal spectrum if everyone has IR goggles, X-ray detectors, personal RADAR, etc.?)
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I did mention bending lightwaves and radiowaves around you, did I not?
--- Quote ---You say my idea is OP? There's a reason haste and time stop are two of the most broken D&D spells of all time.
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Yeah, stop time (or rather, slow it down to the century-to-minute ratio I mentioned) for something that's about as large as an egg, and only if I'm holding it. No catching bullets for me with that. Speeding up myself would work, but since the human body is fairly large I'd be maybe 4 or 5 times faster than normal. And I'd have to hold my breath because all air outside my body would be at normal time and sucking those sluggish molecules across the boundary of the field is more effort than it's worth, if I breathe in while speeding up myself I essentially create a vacuum in my nose and mouth that fills 5 times as fast from inside my body than it does from outside. I imagine it would be a bit like trying to breathe in through a plastic bag with a small hole in it. (No, I haven't tried that, I'm speculating) That gives me maybe 20 seconds that seem like 4 or 5 to everyone else before I need to cease the effect, exhale and inhale again. Punching someone in the face would be a bit like hitting a wall because they hardly move.
Still broken?
Proin Drakenzol:
--- Quote from: undetz on March 23, 2011, 11:28:35 AM ---
--- Quote ---True. But one that I wouldn't mind giving up. Nor would I mind limiting the main power so long as its reduced form wasn't rendered completely worthless (what good is being invisible on the normal spectrum if everyone has IR goggles, X-ray detectors, personal RADAR, etc.?)
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I did mention bending lightwaves and radiowaves around you, did I not?
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So, exactly what I said, but the same, but worded different?
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--- Quote ---You say my idea is OP? There's a reason haste and time stop are two of the most broken D&D spells of all time.
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Yeah, stop time (or rather, slow it down to the century-to-minute ratio I mentioned) for something that's about as large as an egg, and only if I'm holding it. No catching bullets for me with that. Speeding up myself would work, but since the human body is fairly large I'd be maybe 4 or 5 times faster than normal. And I'd have to hold my breath because all air outside my body would be at normal time and sucking those sluggish molecules across the boundary of the field is more effort than it's worth, if I breathe in while speeding up myself I essentially create a vacuum in my nose and mouth that fills 5 times as fast from inside my body than it does from outside. I imagine it would be a bit like trying to breathe in through a plastic bag with a small hole in it. (No, I haven't tried that, I'm speculating) That gives me maybe 20 seconds that seem like 4 or 5 to everyone else before I need to cease the effect, exhale and inhale again. Punching someone in the face would be a bit like hitting a wall because they hardly move.
Still broken?
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Yes. "Only" four or five times faster than everyone else is a huge advantage. Fights are won and lost by even a few percentage points difference in reaction speeds. Races at the Olympic level are won by hundredths or even thousandths of a second. And holding your breath for subjective minute long bursts is no big deal. Plus, if you were willing to "sacrifice" your "minimal advantage" and reduce it to a "mere two or three times faster" then you could provide yourself with a rather comfortable air cushion.
If you've ever played a video game that allows you to slow down time, you'd know that even slowing everything in the game, including yourself, by as little as 10% can give you a huge reaction time advantage. Slowing everything else down by eighty percent (what would effectively happen if you were moving and reacting five times faster) without any slowdown yourself is potentially game breaking.
Go play Fable II and use a level 4 time slow. That's the shit you're talking about.
FYI, I can hold my breath for several minutes. And I'm not in good shape.
Comparatively, the ability to be invisible to all forms of detection would go something like this (if I did anything aggressive) in the rooms that sound like they'll be the norm:
Eleor: *stealth* *sneak attack* *run*
Everyone not Dead: There's an enemy here, invisible! Fall back and block the door. Break out the tear gas, grenades, shotguns, and SMGs!
Eleor: Fuck!
Could my character still win? Yeah. But not if the enemy were willing to toss a grenade in and kill his own people. Conversely, your character would be able to move fast enough to get out of the area with the grenade, kill everyone in his way, and then kill the guy with the grenade.
I'm not saying you shouldn't play your concept. I just think you're under thinking the abuses available to you.
undetz:
--- Quote from: Proin Drakenzol on March 23, 2011, 12:42:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: undetz on March 23, 2011, 11:28:35 AM ---
--- Quote ---True. But one that I wouldn't mind giving up. Nor would I mind limiting the main power so long as its reduced form wasn't rendered completely worthless (what good is being invisible on the normal spectrum if everyone has IR goggles, X-ray detectors, personal RADAR, etc.?)
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I did mention bending lightwaves and radiowaves around you, did I not?
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So, exactly what I said, but the same, but worded different?
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More like the effect you described but achieved by messing around with the laws of physics in a different way than you proposed.
And you certainly can't hold your breath for "several minutes" while exerting yourself. Try going for a leisurely run, no need to sprint, but it should be considerably faster than walking. Then hold your breath for 20 seconds, breath out and in as fast as you can, hold for 20 seconds, repeat. All while running. You'll be ready to collapse in no time at all.
Also, unlike in Fable 2, getting hit will not cost you a few hitpoints, it'll knock you on your arse. A factor of 4 is hardly like the matrix where it's "oh hey, a bullet" lean aside and have it pass you by. Evading bullets is not an option, staying out of another person's aim is, but dodging would tend to interfere with the indiscriminate mass slaughter you proposed.
And what about.
Eleor: *stealth* *sneak in* *place camouflaged bomb* *sneak out* *blow up room*
Everyone not Dead: *dying*
I think we need a word of god (JoonasTo) on this.
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