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How would YOU have ended Lord of the Rings?
AceHigh:
--- Quote from: Proin Drakenzol on February 28, 2011, 09:16:03 AM ---You grew out of knowing what is great, then.
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Hmm... I read enough literature to know that LOTR is far from the greatest novels out there. It just got a lot of hype and it's own Hollywood movie, so now people believe that LOTR actually made the genre ::)
Scudworth:
Long before any D&D game had 7 foot tall elven warriors and hafling thieves there was LOTR.
SO yeah, in a way LOTR actually made the genre that almost every fantasy game draws on now.
Ixarku:
--- Quote from: AceHigh on February 28, 2011, 06:19:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Proin Drakenzol on February 28, 2011, 09:16:03 AM ---You grew out of knowing what is great, then.
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Hmm... I read enough literature to know that LOTR is far from the greatest novels out there. It just got a lot of hype and it's own Hollywood movie, so now people believe that LOTR actually made the genre ::)
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Flaws aside, LotR is and has been one of the preeminent works of fantasy for the last 60 or so years, and has been hugely influential on fans and creative people worldwide. Sales figures alone are at 150+ million copies by a few estimates I've seen. The movies contributed significantly to a resurgence in the books' popularity, but the influence it had on fantasy and the prestige the series has held has been there for a long time.
AceHigh:
The only thing I see here is copying and modifying a more ancient lore that was also a product of copy and modification of an even more ancient lore. Seeing an original idea nowadays is almost impossible. I don't mind that Tolkien copy pasted very large portions of germanic/old English/scandinavian folklore, and I just think people should keep in mind that Tolkien was not an almighty god who created the setting all by himself with only original ideas.
But yeah, the adjustments and modifications he did to call the lore "his", did influence the image of an elf.
As for the way he wrote the book, it seems like he really changed his mind several times about the plot while writing it. Actually Silmarillion is a good example that the story was well planned and thus well written. He did not excel in the art of writing, actually quite average there, but he got lucky by getting a right idea for a good fairytale.
--- Quote ---Sales figures alone are at 150+ million copies by a few estimates I've seen.
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Don't bring in numbers into the literature, that doesn't work. The most popular science fiction book by numbers is the bible, and it's storyline suckd, the writing style is horrible, very inconsistent and contradicting, very boring characters and moral point is so outdated that some thing written there can be seen as barbarism instead.
As far as I see I am still not wrong in a statement that Tolkien didn't come up with all that stuff by himself, also my personal opinion is that his skill of writing a book is not above average and I don't see what there is to argue about...
Scudworth:
Well I'm sure there are some "Tolkien Scholars" that would disagree with you.
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