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Offline BrownMasterV

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Build Me a Computer!
« on: March 02, 2011, 11:37:44 PM »
Okay, I want to build a new computer.
I know there are zillions of computer geniuses here, and I thought I would get some help because compared to a lot of people, I'm tech-retarded.
Custom built computers have spoiled me, so this is the only way to go.

I want something equal or better than this (THIS CURRENT COMPUTER'S SPECS)

CPU -            Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 @ 2.66GHz  8MB Cache 1066MHz FSB
Graphics -      NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260
Motherboard - NVIDIA nForce 790i SLI FTW
Power Supply- ULTRA 750 WATT ATX POWER SUPPLY
DVD/CD Drive- Sony DRU-V200S DVD/CD-RW Drive (SATA)
Tower         -  ULTRA GLADIATOR ATX Mid-Tower PC Case


What I need:
HDMI output on the GFX card
To be able to play...sayy...games like Crysis 2 on high specs
To be able to laglessly play 1080p blu-ray .mkv's
Motherboard that will take DDR3 RAM

Don't need to worry about hard drive or memory, because I'm just pulling those out of my current computer.

I'm not worrying about price just yet, so post what you think would be good along with an estimated price ;)

I'm not sure how much info I gave/needed to give, so tell me what more I need to mention.


EDIT: Oh and the HDD is SATA, if that helps at all

EDIT: PRICE RANGE: $1000 AND UNDER, the cheaper the better.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2011, 02:16:36 AM by BrownMasterV »

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Re: Build Me a Computer!
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2011, 12:04:00 AM »
Wait for the AMD Bulldozer to come out. I'm looking to upgrade my CPU, but I want to see how the Bulldozer stands up to the new i7.

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Re: Build Me a Computer!
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2011, 12:38:19 AM »
Whats the mhz of your ram? 1066? 1333? 1600? Vital piece when choosing a motherboard.
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Re: Build Me a Computer!
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2011, 12:43:49 AM »
I'm curious as to why you intend to use Core 2 Quad. Especially since most Core 2 processors use DDR2 RAM (too lazy to look up if the one you selected does).

But yeah, wait a couple months - Bulldozer should be out in a little while, IIRC (I don't follow AMD stuff). If you really can't wait, go for the i5 or i7 models that are available now. The i7 960 and 970 recently dropped in price. The 960 is basically the most powerful Bloomfield and is down to $300-ish, but is no longer top-notch. The 970 is the weakest 6-core Gulftown and is down to $600-ish. Look for Sandy Bridge LGA1155 stuff now that they're available again - they should have some pretty decent prices.

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Re: Build Me a Computer!
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2011, 12:50:38 AM »
Whats the mhz of your ram? 1066? 1333? 1600? Vital piece when choosing a motherboard.

I have nooo idea, where can I find that out?

I'm curious as to why you intend to use Core 2 Quad. Especially since most Core 2 processors use DDR2 RAM (too lazy to look up if the one you selected does).

I don't intend to get another Core 2 Quad. That's just what I have right now.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2011, 12:56:00 AM by BrownMasterV »

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Re: Build Me a Computer!
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2011, 12:54:11 AM »
Okay, I want to build a new computer.
I know there are zillions of computer geniuses here, and I thought I would get some help because compared to a lot of people, I'm tech-retarded.
Custom built computers have spoiled me, so this is the only way to go.

I want something equal or better than this (my current):

CPU -            Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 @ 2.66GHz  8MB Cache 1066MHz FSB
Graphics -      NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260
Motherboard - NVIDIA nForce 790i SLI FTW
Power Supply- ULTRA 750 WATT ATX POWER SUPPLY
DVD/CD Drive- Sony DRU-V200S DVD/CD-RW Drive (SATA)
Tower         -  ULTRA GLADIATOR ATX Mid-Tower PC Case


What I need:
HDMI output on the GFX card
To be able to play...sayy...games like Crysis 2 on high specs
To be able to laglessly play 1080p blu-ray .mkv's
Motherboard that will take DDR3 RAM

Don't need to worry about hard drive or memory, because I'm just pulling those out of my current computer.

I'm not worrying about price just yet, so post what you think would be good along with an estimated price ;)

I'm not sure how much info I gave/needed to give, so tell me what more I need to mention.


EDIT: Oh and the HDD is SATA, if that helps at all
Hang on, what exactly is the complaint with your current PC? Those are pretty strong specs right there frankly. Lets see that graphics card should have come with a HDMI adapter, Crysis 2 isn't as resource heavy so you should be able to run it with great settings, that build should probably be able to play 2-3 1080p MKVs at once easily, and frankly I don't think upgrading a motherboard is worth it just for a new spec of RAM considering the minimal noticeable result in performance.

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Re: Build Me a Computer!
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2011, 01:00:54 AM »
My "complaint" is actually that I can't even use this computer anymore because of the number of others using it. I desperately need one of my own ._.

And there is no HDMI output on my GFX card

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Re: Build Me a Computer!
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2011, 01:31:03 AM »
My "complaint" is actually that I can't even use this computer anymore because of the number of others using it. I desperately need one of my own ._.

And there is no HDMI output on my GFX card
HDMI adapter, not output. Which essentially means that there should be a small connector that came with it which attaches to the DVI port in the back that outputs in full HDMI with the sound and everything. According to the nVidia site they should have given you one with the computer. Looks something like this

As for the number of other people, I can totally sympathize with that one. For me it got to the point where I didn't even care if I got a crappy system, I just wanted something only touched by me  :)

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Re: Build Me a Computer!
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2011, 01:42:15 AM »
For me it got to the point where I didn't even care if I got a crappy system, I just wanted something only touched by me  :)

Sounds like a story about too many visits to the brothel...

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Re: Build Me a Computer!
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2011, 01:59:34 AM »
My "complaint" is actually that I can't even use this computer anymore because of the number of others using it. I desperately need one of my own ._.

And there is no HDMI output on my GFX card
HDMI adapter, not output. Which essentially means that there should be a small connector that came with it which attaches to the DVI port in the back that outputs in full HDMI with the sound and everything. According to the nVidia site they should have given you one with the computer. Looks something like this

Strange, that never came ._.

Anyway, any suggestions for a new setup?
Aside from CPU, which everyone is saying "Bulldozer" for, what else do you guys suggest?

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Re: Build Me a Computer!
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2011, 02:08:31 AM »
Whats the mhz of your ram? 1066? 1333? 1600? Vital piece when choosing a motherboard.

I have nooo idea, where can I find that out?

download SandraLite its a scanner that gives info about your pc specs

Then run a full scan in your computer. You will see it under the memory tab.

edit: link here

http://filecrest.com/download/Sandra+Lite++SP

« Last Edit: March 03, 2011, 02:11:21 AM by burningstar4 »

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Re: Build Me a Computer!
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2011, 02:11:36 AM »
Sounds like a story about too many visits to the brothel...

Or just the hentai section. Ahem.

I have nooo idea, where can I find that out?

Should be listed in a few locations:
1. In your BIOS.
2. On the label on the RAM stick itself - you have to open your case.
3. Maybe the OS, though I doubt this as I don't recall ever having seen RAM speed in an OS.
4. The reply above mine.

Anyway, this isn't all that important, because I'm pretty sure he was asking for the RAM speed of your new RAM.

I don't intend to get another Core 2 Quad. That's just what I have right now.

Ah, either I missed that or you just threw it in after I posted. In any case, do aim for the Sandy Bridge stuff if you must have it now, or wait and see how the Bulldozer does when it releases.

I get the vibe that you want it ASAP. Do you have a date you want it completed by?
Edit: And while we're at it, you should probably give a max price too. Either that or a price/price range to aim for.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2011, 02:14:21 AM by Freedom Kira »

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Re: Build Me a Computer!
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2011, 02:25:37 AM »
Uhh alright, updated the first post with a price. You're right, there are probably way too many possibilities if I don't put a cap on my price.

And no, I'm not in a hurry at all to build this. If I wait for the Bulldozer, will I have to wait for the motherboards that support it?

Here's what it tells me about my RAM:


and



So it looks to me like both 1066 and 1333 :o

Ah, either I missed that or you just threw it in after I posted. In any case, do aim for the Sandy Bridge stuff if you must have it now, or wait and see how the Bulldozer does when it releases.

Yeah, I threw in the bolded "my current computer" after your question made me realize "my current" was misleading ;)

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Re: Build Me a Computer!
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2011, 02:57:25 AM »
To be able to laglessly play 1080p blu-ray .mkv's.

This can be done on a low end i3 and Intel GMA. So... yeah...

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Re: Build Me a Computer!
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2011, 02:33:08 PM »
To be able to laglessly play 1080p blu-ray .mkv's.

This can be done on a low end i3 and Intel GMA. So... yeah...

Considering gaming portion of it an i5 is probably a better choice. i7, would be too expensive.

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Re: Build Me a Computer!
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2011, 04:40:42 PM »
Well if you don't mind me using an AMD CPU here we Go...

AMD PhenomIIX4 955 Black (Quad core, 3.2GHz unlocked multiplier so it's easy as piss to overclock) You could get the six core version, but that's moar money. This is around $140 That's around $200. alternatively you could get a cheap CPU and overclock it a bit like a Phenom X4 820 which is about $100. Lastly, an Athlon II X3 440 (triple core 3GHz) is around $80 and MAY have a locked fourth core which BOTH of the motherboards could unlock. Unfortunately my fourth core was slightly unstable and occasionally things crash. I also had a locked L3 cache so it became a Phenom II rather than an Athlon II

Now, I have two motherboards to recommend, Both have DDR3.
1. Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H (890GX Board, therefore more versatile expansion possibilities) $140

2. Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD5 (890FX Board, therefore more specialised expansion for graphics) $180
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Hard drive. Nice and simple here Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ I have one, It rapes... You can get more if 1TB isn't enough but one is about $60... If you have a fuckton of budget, you may want Solid State Drives. They're supposed to be fast as fuck and last longer than "Conventional" hard drives... but you're just pulling your old ones out right?

RAM. this could easily be anything you want, but it's important to get this right. My budget was short so I got some shitty unbranded RAM. Corsair do a good deal, two 2GB sticks, 1600Mhz with pretty tight timings. For $70 maybe less, these things are quite good. the tight timings and hight clockspeed mean it's quite fast for DDR3 RAM, I can't remember the model though :(  

Should be killer for gaming though... again, you're jut pulling your old RAM out.

That's all the basic shit out of the way, next you need POWER! You have a few choices for a PSU. Anything would do, maybe some Eco-friendly PSU if you're so inclined? Just get something with AT LEAST 550W! That's a bare minimum, around 650W would be lovely more than 800W is sheer overkill. Anyway a nice, quiet 600W PSU is around $90

Here's the important bit... Graphics Card. Get something awesome. I've been out of touch regarding the graphics card war between ATI and NVidia. Someone else could help you out more here, but a ATI HD5850 is a pretty powerful card with DX11. $200 is a lot, but this is where you make or break your machine with regards to Crysis 2. Heck, it's probably not enough muscle anyway.

You could multi GPU, both motherboards will dual crossfire/SLI but only the 890FX boards will tri or quad GPU

Could someone recommend a Nvidia card to compare with this?


Ok so say you went with the 890GX board, Phenom X4 955, got one hard drive and decided to crossfire. This is around $650 now, so we're running out of money... but you still need a case!

This is personal taste, but a decent case is about $100. Then all you need is a keyboard, mouse and monitor! You may be able to save a ton on the Graphics card if my info is outdated. Also, if you want a blu-ray drive add like $80 on to that
« Last Edit: March 03, 2011, 04:56:37 PM by flyawave »
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Re: Build Me a Computer!
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2011, 09:01:26 PM »
Btw, is ddr3 worth it if you aren't planing to tri channel?

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Re: Build Me a Computer!
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2011, 09:07:41 PM »
Btw, is ddr3 worth it if you aren't planing to tri channel?

Yeah, totally. Even if you don't triple channel, each individual RAM module is faster than DDR2. Even though DDR3 timings are "looser" the raw speed makes up for it
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Re: Build Me a Computer!
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2011, 10:10:43 PM »
Okay, since I'm not in too much of a hurry, I've decided to wait for that Bulldozer processor, as people say it's pretty goddamn awesome.

Now flyawave, you completely lost me with all your techno-talk, but I'm in a very learn-ey mood today, so oshiete kudasai what all this stuff means:

-What's all this locked/unlocked hoobajoob when you're talking about processors? And I've never overclocked something before, sounds dangerous ._.
         -And while we're on the topic of CPUs, what is an L3 cache? I've seen that word thrown around a lot and it goes straight over my head.
-Difference between an 890GX and 890FX board
-What is Crossfire and SLI? (All I know is that SLI lets you have two graphics cards, but please elaborate)

/my stupidity

My underlying goal in building this computer is to learn about hardware :3

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Re: Build Me a Computer!
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2011, 10:31:01 PM »
Btw, is ddr3 worth it if you aren't planing to tri channel?

Triple channel reportedly brings only minimal, barely noticeable improvement. The i7 875K (Lynnfield - dual channel DDR3) performed significantly better than, for example, the i7 950 (Bloomfield - triple channel DDR3), on benchmark results. Which is somewhat to be expected though, as the 875K is unlocked.

Anyway, BMV, I'll answer what I can.
1. The "lock" on a locked processor prevents you from overclocking the processor past a certain point. You do get a bit of a boost, but you're limited by the lock. Conversely, an unlocked one allows you to overclock it like there's no tomorrow, which means you do have to be a bit more careful about your cooling. I may be wrong about this, as I vaguely remember something about Intel's processors automatically lowering their clock speed when they reach their limit.
2. I don't know, but this might help.
3. AFAIK Crossfire is ATI technology that allows you to use multiple graphics cards simultaneously. That's really all I know, there may be more or less. Try looking it up on Wikipedia.

Nice goal with the hardware learning. It's actually pretty fun, though you might want to screw around with an old computer that no one wants in order to learn a bit about the inner workings first. See if your friends have any, if you don't. I had the chance to work in a company that refurbished old computers - duties included a lot of hardware working and troubleshooting. I wouldn't recommend it as a permanent job because it gets repetitive and tedious after a couple weeks, but spend about that long there and you get quite a bit of experience, not to mention some appreciation for technologies like SATA when you get tired of yanking out and pushing in IDE cables. I spent four months there myself.