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Offline BrownMasterV

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Re: The REAL bully beatdown
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2011, 11:00:53 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naWoENZTgQM

Just search "fat kid bully" on YT.

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Re: The REAL bully beatdown
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2011, 11:05:45 PM »
*sigh*
So the kid could have killed the other and what did he get? A few days of suspension?
Were they legal age, he'd be in jail and paying big money to the other.

Just shows him as the wimp he is, can't stand up for himself so he has to go overboard.
Pathetic.


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I'm not following you. The video I have seen was definitely self-defence.
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Re: The REAL bully beatdown
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2011, 11:11:52 PM »
Self-defense, right. Self defence would have been bitch slapping that guy. In court that'd be excessive self-defense with intention to permanently harm the person. A little different angle and *crack* dead or paralysed for life.

But isn't anyone wondering why are they filming their actions?

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Re: The REAL bully beatdown
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2011, 11:17:51 PM »
Self-defense, right. Self defence would have been bitch slapping that guy. In court that'd be excessive self-defense with intention to permanently harm the person. A little different angle and *crack* dead or paralysed for life.

But isn't anyone wondering why are they filming their actions?

They're children. I don't think he knew when it was "too much" or whether or not he could have harmed him, especially in such a blind rage like that one.

My speculation:
They filmers were the bully's friends, wanting to humiliate the fat boy.

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Re: The REAL bully beatdown
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2011, 11:22:05 PM »
Self-defense, right. Self defence would have been bitch slapping that guy. In court that'd be excessive self-defense with intention to permanently harm the person. A little different angle and *crack* dead or paralysed for life.

But isn't anyone wondering why are they filming their actions?

They're children. I don't think he knew when it was "too much" or whether or not he could have harmed him, especially in such a blind rage like that one.

My speculation:
They filmers were the bully's friends, wanting to humiliate the fat boy.
And because they're kids it's that much more important they should know. Ruining his life for some low life like that because he was ignorant? I have a slight clue that it might suck for him.
Blind rage? Not exactly what blind rage looks like...

If they were filming it to humiliate him, how exactly? Post it on the nets? Public on the school? For all officials to see and find? Kinda fail ,don't you think?  ;D

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Re: The REAL bully beatdown
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2011, 11:25:43 PM »
Kids are stupid.

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Re: The REAL bully beatdown
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2011, 11:29:32 PM »
Kids are stupid.
Incorrect. Smarts are not related to age, believe it or not.

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Re: The REAL bully beatdown
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2011, 12:15:17 AM »
DAMN! Why is that tiny ass kid provoking the big ass kid..He is double his size

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Re: The REAL bully beatdown
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2011, 12:20:28 AM »
Kids are stupid.
Incorrect. Smarts are not related to age, believe it or not.

Let me rephrase that.
These kids are stupid.

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Re: The REAL bully beatdown
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2011, 12:33:54 AM »
Kids are stupid.
Incorrect. Smarts are not related to age, believe it or not.

I call bullshit on this, kids ARE stupid. We all remain stupid for our whole life, but some put a little effort in reducing the influence it has on their daily life.

What happens in this video is basically the same as getting bitten by a dog after heckling it for too long.
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« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2011, 03:26:52 AM »
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Re: The REAL bully beatdown
« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2011, 04:04:17 AM »
Self-defense, right. Self defence would have been bitch slapping that guy. In court that'd be excessive self-defense with intention to permanently harm the person. A little different angle and *crack* dead or paralysed for life.

But isn't anyone wondering why are they filming their actions?

They're children. I don't think he knew when it was "too much" or whether or not he could have harmed him, especially in such a blind rage like that one.

My speculation:
They filmers were the bully's friends, wanting to humiliate the fat boy.
And because they're kids it's that much more important they should know. Ruining his life for some low life like that because he was ignorant? I have a slight clue that it might suck for him.
Blind rage? Not exactly what blind rage looks like...

If they were filming it to humiliate him, how exactly? Post it on the nets? Public on the school? For all officials to see and find? Kinda fail ,don't you think?  ;D
The kid got what he deserved, personally I believe that the fat kid went a little overboard, but it's the other kids fault for punching him in the face. Do you really find it strange that they were filming him making fun of the other kid?

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Re: The REAL bully beatdown
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2011, 04:07:14 AM »
Actually, I think in court the fat kid could sue the small one. No, self defence would not have been bitch slapping that guy. Self defence doesn't mean teeth for teeth, eye for eye, that revenge. Self defence means, that in order to protect yourself, you are allowed to physically harm someone who is voluntary putting you in danger. The little kid was physically trying threatening him. He had clearly demonstrated his intention to harm him in, by his words, his physical language and by starting to slap him. It was therefore in his legal right to aggressively protect himself himself. Tell me, what kind of protection would it have given him to bitch slap the little kid? None. Worst it would have put him in even more danger by giving an excuse to the kid to go full strength on him, possibly with his friends help. Note how he immediately stopped after the after throwing him on the ground. That's precisely the time where there he had eliminated the threat. Excessive self-defence would have been to continue hitting him.

From a legal point of view, not only is the fat kid irreproachable, he could even sue the little kid. (If they were adults)
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Re: The REAL bully beatdown
« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2011, 10:11:02 AM »
If I were a juror in the case, I certainly wouldn't convict the fat kid.  It appears to me that he simply reacted in self-defense.  I don't think he trying to kill or permanently injury the bully.  He simply picked the kid up and threw his ass down.  It's pretty clear to me that he was just trying to make the other kid stop.
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Re: The REAL bully beatdown
« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2011, 11:52:59 AM »
Yeah the 'quiet fat kid' = QFK as i like to call him in this vid expresses the very definition of reasonable self defence.
Obviously this is precisely defined in slightly different ways in different countries, but here in the UK ( i know this as am 45 year old life long martial artist who used to instruct street self defence classes ).
Legal self defence is defined primarily by two components:

A: Reasonable fear of attack, if someone has already demonstrated physically or verbally an intention to assault you
then you have a clear right of self defence. ie attacked in a bar then attacker states "am gonna cut you up" if you then hit the guy with a chair, under Brit law your pretty clear, even though you saw no knife. Same situation and you hit him with chair because you THINK he has a knife = thin ice.

B: 2nd principal balances your allowable response to a threat forcing proportionality. Basically it states that your response to threat needs to proportionate to the continued level of threat. So if a guy attacks you with a knife its fine hit him with a chair or a bat. If he keeps coming its ok to hit him again. However as soon as he is unable to present a threat ( unconscious or disabled ) or stops attacking, your right self defence stops dead. So if you hit him and he falls unconscious and you then stomp on his head until you reach the pavement ........ the feds are gonna have a LOT of awkward questions for you ending in you being charged with assault ( or maybe worse ).

Back to the vid. The QFK attempts to defend himself non offensively by blowing the blows.
this fails and he gets him a few times. For me this establishes that the attack genuinely intends him harm.

The QFK then takes offensive action, and makes only ONE attack, he makes no attempt to follow the attack up and actually immediately leaves the area. Once the threat stopped he stopped too.

For me this perfectly defines a balanced, reasonable reaction to a self defence situation.

IMHO once you initiate an unprovoked attack on a another you open a Pandora's box and really have little right to bitch about what comes out of it to meet you. Within the bounds of the law you deserve whatever you get.

I'd also like to say that in my experience ( i grew up the only black kid and book worm on an all white rough English housing estate in the 70's, with white foster parents, had to fight my share to not be bullied, and watched lots of others get bullied to fuck ) if more kids and people generally actively defended themselves bullies and other social predators would be less inclined to attack as often as they do. Bullies and social predators aren't looking for a challenge or a fight what they look for is weakness that they can exploit, show them that attacking you WILL have consequences and they will often find easier prey. May cost you a lump or two here or there and its usually not the best response if weapons are involved, but overall being prepared to defend yourself is an essential ( and often maligned ) basic mammalian trait.
 
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Re: The REAL bully beatdown
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Re: The REAL bully beatdown
« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2011, 12:28:14 PM »
Had he bitch slapped the smaller kid he would have probably fallen down.
Seeing as the smaller kid is obviously provoking him for a fight, not seriously attacking him using force on a serious intention of harming the other is overboard. Had he tried by smaller force before it might be different but from the video I've seen he ignores him at the start and just stands there. Then he goes in and throws the smaller kid against the stones and the wall of the greenery.


Laws are pretty different in countries, true. I think Norway has something like you have to run 100m before you can turn and respond or something. Other's have conditions that you have to shout stop or help and so forth.


If you stomp someone's foot for self defense while it is completely reasonable at the time and an easy way to make him/her stop but seeing as stomping someone's foot easily breaks all the small bones there and really fucks it up it counts really easy as excessive force and you will have to pay for the other guy's surgery if you're in bad luck.


A little off-topic but about knives, they're pretty nasty issue since the law sees them as deadly weapons in just about everywhere. So if you use a knife in self-defense you're fucked unless the other guy also has a knife or a gun. This also means that if you get attacked by someone and use a knife in self-defense and the previously unarmed offender pulls out a gun at this point he is right in eyes of the law if he shoots you. Of course he'll still be charged with assault but shooting you was self-defense.


PS. If you're a woman and the assaulter's a man you can get off with anything as long as you call rape.


Seeing the results from the schools side, seems reasonable.
Not that I ever got what's so bad about suspending from school. It would have been like a prize for me back when I was in school.  ;D
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Re: The REAL bully beatdown
« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2011, 12:48:22 PM »
Even though we all have the right to defend ourself, because of people that have a mentality like JoonasTo, in practice it is always the guy left standing that gets all the blame, even though he doesn't assault anyone.

Had he bitch slapped the smaller kid he would have probably fallen down.


Probably, maybe, theoretically, speculatively....

Here are the cold hard facts:
1. Rat Kid attacked
2. Chubby kid defended himself.
3. Chubby kid stopped the fight.

Kids are stupid.
Incorrect. Smarts are not related to age, believe it or not.

Knowledge is. Kids don't have enough knowledge and experience to know how everything may end up as. That is what they receive when they grow up.

For instance this was a good lesson for the rat kid not to fuck with people twice his mass.
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« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2011, 01:17:39 PM »
Now ace got me all wrong. The fat kid could have killed the smaller one and I couldn't care less. Our society just doesn't work that way though and maybe it is for the best. We'd be having a lot more assaults if it did. What I'm saying is this is how things go, if people go all way to go fatty that's how it should be done we'll have a lot of kids in problems.

Small kid provoked
Fat kid attacked without thinking, just wanting to show off.

No problems if things go like they did but what if they don't?

How about the next when the small kid comes down head first, on his neck or his back hits the curb his leg did now? Dead, paralysed from his neck down for life, paralysed from his waist down for his life? Result for the fat kid? Jail and payments he can't clear in his life, life ruined. For what? Wanting to show off to some low life? Worth it? I doubt.


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Re: The REAL bully beatdown
« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2011, 01:56:24 PM »
Small kid provoked
Fat kid attacked without thinking, just wanting to show off.

I'd say this is where you go wrong. The first line is correct, the small kid provoked, and also attacked.
Then the fat kid attacked once and immediately stopped, even before anyone else could step in. That's not "showing off" or anything, it's perfectly reasonable behaviour in the given situation where you're being attacked by a person who's apparently got a group backing them up and filming the whole thing.