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JoonasTo:
There was a puff, look at him right after the throw. Can't say for sure if it was because of the other guy but it's there.

As for the revenge part, he just stands there, lets him hit him until he decides it's good and enough. That doesn't look like your normal defending yourself. If he was doing it normally, he'd do something after the second at least.

No, I don't have an issue with violence. Or actually, now that I think about it, I do. But it's quite the opposite. I like violence if I would have the choice I'd legalise everything goes fights to the death. Heck, I'd probably even take part and lose horribly.

I am not trying to turn this 180, I think the thinny kid's friends are at fault for this but what I am trying to do is make people see that the fat kid wasn't right or good in any way.
The first hit is more about the fat kid pulling his head back than the force of the strike.
There's no force behind the next strikes.
Waiting for him to tire, right. By staying completely silent guarding his face. It COULD happen.
It's pretty obvious he goes in and tries to get a grab out of his head(not many good things I can imagine from there), he fails so they just struggle, he gots on his back and he throws him on the ground.

I am talking about the risks to the thinny kid because I'm looking at this from the fat kid's side. His injuries are less likely after the first hit and also less danger for him. Would you rather limb a year or spend five years in jail?
That kid couldn't kick strong enough even if he put all his weight into it to break his knee. Not to mention permanently, you can put 80kg guy in football game kicking from fullspeed to a 70kg guy's knee and it will heal in 8 months. Now were talking about kids who heal faster and better and about a kid who wieghts maybe 1/3rd of the other and can't probably support his kicks properly. Not a snowballs chance in hell.
The biggest danger to the biggest guy would have been being afraid of the first strike(which he was) and hitting his head against the wall with his own force(which he didn't).
My concern isn't the big guy winning with violence, it's the way most people make it seem like a good thing he used excessive violence where a simple push to topple the think guy over would have sufficed. If this encourages someone else to do this somewhere and he ends up ruining his and the bully's life because of it I don't think that's a good thing.

So TL:DR, in situations like these the injuries are usually minor if any but if you retaliate like the fat kid did you can have issues with law that can fuck up your life.

rostheferret:
A simple push would have only made him more inclined to get up and keeping hitting the kid, and then what? Keep pushing him? Keep provoking the bully further? Self-Defence is simply doing what's required in order to defend yourself. If when he was down he continued to attack, that's no longer self defence. It's always a slippery slope between what's excessive and what isn't, but just pushing him certainly wouldn't do crap. Either that or the bullies you faced are real pansies.

I've seen a few fights break out and if there's one thing I've learnt its never throw the first punch. The reason it takes so long most of the time is because whoever gets hit first can claim to be defending themselves. When a punch-up occurs, you think they both get done for assault? No, it's whoever initiated the fight.

AceHigh:
As they taught in the military: the best way to stop a fight is to "disable" the assailant. That is the biggest different between thugs and people who are skilled, the latter finish the fights a second after they start. I don't see how the fat kid did anything disproportional in this case. He did everything completely right, he disabled the assailant in such manner that even the friends of the bullies didn't join in. He ended a fight without even fighting much himself. Good kid.

Also JoonasTo is trying desperately to come out of a situation without admitting to being wrong. Very simple.

However in local news the mother of the bully said that her son deserved it, as she didn't raise him to be a bully. Even his mother who loves her kid very much sees the event from an objective point of view.

Ixarku:
I think the fat kid reacted naturally for someone his size.  I've been around enough quiet, big kids in my life to have developed a conception of how they would react when provoked.  It's not at all uncommon for kids to wrestle with each other, for fun or otherwise, and I think a big kid who's not used to being in fistfights is going to be more likely to respond when provoked by grabbing his opponent and throwing his ass on the ground, or some variation thereof, rather than throwing a punch.

I think, perhaps, this is where Joonas' perceptions differ from the rest of us.  I think the fat kid reacted naturally, probably in a burst of anger, without malice aforethought, using his strength in the way he was most accustomed to, with a sort of improvised wrestling move.  Fat kid wasn't thinking, "I could injure this schmuck for life if I bodyslam him!"

dariofr:
I think i came a bit when i watched it the first time this morning ;D

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