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Offline xFang

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Building a computer
« on: March 17, 2011, 12:03:43 PM »
Can any1 recommend me parts for a computer that is able to play most game but within the budget of $1000 not including monitor,mouse,keyboard etc etc  ;D

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Re: Building a computer
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2011, 06:18:24 PM »
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There are about 12 or 15 topics very similar to this one in this forum over the last 90 days.  Have you read through some of those ..?  There's been a LOT of excellent advice posted in them.

Can you list about three or five titles of the most intense games that you want to play?  That will help a lot.

Will you use the system for other tasks, such as video encoding or as a media-center PC?

For under $1000, you can build a pretty mad system using an AMD CPU (instead of an Intel), going with a AMD Phenom II X4 core 970 Black Edition Deneb @3.5GHz and mild over-clocking to 4 GHz or maybe even ~4.2GHz.  This went on sale at Newegg about 2 weeks ago for $150 w/ free shipping, so, that implies other questions:

Can you use Newegg or other online stores to buy?

Can you take six or eight weeks to get all the parts?  Then you can carefully wait for some of them to go on special and really get the best performance for your money.  For one example, you can get a solid case for ~$50-60 if you can live without something all full of splash & bling.


Break it down into the parts you need:

case ($60)
power supply (650-700W should be plenty) ($60-80)
mobo + CPU (???)
RAM (~$100 for 4 GB or ~$180 for 8 GB)
video card (???)
audio solution (mobo or separate card?) ($80-160 for expansion card that's worth it)
hard drives (yes, plural is best) (SSD for OS if you can budget it) (???)
DVD burner (do you NEED bluray?)  (ASUS SATA or (better) PATA)

Operating system? Win 7 Home premium (~$100)

Plus some extras, such as a couple extra cooling fans, probably an advanced cooling block for the CPU, other expansion cards (?), etc.

MOAR INFO from you, please ...


[ EDIT:  some resources:

If you're looking at getting your best performance, this one good place to read around on:

 - http://www.overclock.net/

Another for solid reviews:

 - http://www.tomshardware.com/


Going back through August in reverse order (10 pages), all these topics have a lot of info for you:

> General Discussions > Technology > How decent are the specs?
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=25429.0

> Triple Screen Setup
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=25095.0

> External Hard Drive?
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=25921.0

> going for an overhaul
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=25974.0

> PSU not enough for graphics card?
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=26162.0

> Best internet retailer?
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=26002.0

> New Graphics Card
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=26570.0

> New Computer for Work
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=26247.0

> Seagate..the 2nd shittiest HDD manufacturer.
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=25835.0

> New HDD
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=27304.0

> I'm going to buy a new hard drive, and I would like some advice.
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=16257.0

> Hard Drive Experiences (and general HD talk)
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=15654.0

> Good time to buy a new computer? O wait until the new sockets hit in Jan.
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=27526.0

> Westerm digital Greens..... was i wrong about you??
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=27781.0

> Finally changing PC - but little help need.
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=27838.0

> Multiple Corsair mail-in rebates?
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=28013.0
> best way to check a new HD for errors? and any brand sugestions?
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=28011.0

> advise on buying an internal HDD enclosure for swapping drives.
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=28141.0

> Building 3D capable PC - help/ideas/tips, etc
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=28276.0

> Computer build - Need assistance!
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=28287.0

> Help with computer build...
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=28145.0

> Upgrading Video Cards
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=27084.0

> Copying OS from a hard drive to another
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=27263.0

> Motherboard Searching
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=28635.0

> HD204UI write error rate problem
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=28934.0

> Build Me a Computer!
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=28958.0

> How do you tell if a mobo can boot from PCI-e?
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=28866.0

> Which HD should I buy?
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=28976.0

> BASIC guide on what to buy for a PC and HTPC.
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=29027.0

> What do you think of this PC case?
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=29041.0

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Re: Building a computer
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2011, 09:05:55 AM »
Wow, thanks and so detailed too
I must admit I did slack off and did not browse through the forum but thanks again,
You are a GREAT help  ;D

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Re: Building a computer
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2011, 09:33:25 AM »
Sometimes I suspect datora of having prepared all this ahead of time.
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Re: Building a computer
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2011, 11:45:52 AM »
I've been meaning to ask this for a while, but why is there always a lone period at the beginning of all of your posts? (@datora)

Cute, huh?

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Re: Building a computer
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2011, 02:24:22 PM »
Sometimes I suspect datora of having prepared all this ahead of time.

I think he just has a lot of time and wants to be helpful. And a good memory to boot. =P

I've been meaning to ask this for a while, but why is there always a lone period at the beginning of all of your posts? (@datora)

Probably to skip a line to make the post look better overall. You can't just skip a line because leading whitespace is trimmed, from what I can tell.

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Re: Building a computer
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2011, 11:54:35 PM »
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@xFang -

Seriously, hope it helps.  It wasn't my intention to stop you from asking help, but skimming those topics should make it easier for you to ask more targeted questions, which (theoretically) we should be able to answer more effectively.  Win for everyone, with luck.


Sometimes I suspect datora of having prepared all this ahead of time.
I think he just has a lot of time and wants to be helpful. And a good memory to boot. =P

Sometimes I do, and if it'll make a difference I don't mind using it (time & memory).  I also type & search faster than your average bear, and copypasta none too shabby, either.  Not like legendary or anything, but some posts might look like more time than they actually took.

In a case like this topic, I did it specifically because in the future I can just link back to this topic and all the work has already been done.  An investment in future brevity, if you will.  I taught in a university for over six years (including computer science), so I'm in the habit of annihilating questions with very thorough answers.  Some might call it an affliction ...  ::)


I've been meaning to ask this for a while, but why is there always a lone period at the beginning of all of your posts? (@datora)
Probably to skip a line to make the post look better overall. You can't just skip a line because leading whitespace is trimmed, from what I can tell.

Yep.  That's pretty much it.  Been posting in forums for nearly ten years, and usenet for more than ten years before that.  Older forum software had less elegant formatting, so it's a holdover habit to make posts a bit more readable.  I could probably drop it, but I'm also in the habit of adding several distinctive touches to things that I do so that forgery attempts have built-in fail for the unwary.  Been in some very interesting flame wars where people attempted to pass themselves off as me, sometimes to the great amusement of all.  ;D
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Re: Building a computer
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2011, 01:47:06 AM »
if i were rich i wouldnt be asking but i`d be trying out rigs XD every single one that i can think of =P

on topic: ask your retailers around you if they got any setups on sale that fits your needs, it saves you time, money and hassle.

aim for a phenom II X4 or I7 960 and combine it with either GTX 580 or HD6970, 1000$ for a rig is alot, you can actually get the best out with that much money =P.

PS: if only i could have 500$ i could buy myself a decent gaming pc xD or just 200$ to upgrade my poor celeron having 1gb ddr2 that i`m currently using as my power htpc that games! ~woot~

power htpc i own:
Celeron E3300
GT240 GDDR5 512mb
asus P5QPL-AM
1gb ddr2 800 kingston value ram
250gb samsung 7200rpm (OS drive with 200gb partitioned out as a storage)
a cheap tuner for 10$(bought it a week ago, i just needed it to stream on my cable to get rid of my stupid crt tv =P)

bought this rig for 275$, it can play my vids nicely, i could game on up to 1080p tho low settings without AA thanks to my cheap handy gt240.
this thing needs improvements tho, i`m planning on buying Asus P5G41 C M LX @ 55$ first then gonna buy a 2x2gb ddr3 1333 kit @ 45$, gonna wait and buy that tasty up coming gt530 for less power consumption(well if the rumors were true) and buy me a better tuner XD and maybe go fetch me a sound card so i could make my room an in-bed teather lol. oh yea, if someone might ask, i`m using a custom speaker system, its a 2.2 system, 2fronts 1left woofer, 1right woofer, so yea, if front left has a boom, that woofer will make it BOOM.
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Re: Building a computer
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2011, 03:22:32 AM »
There is also this... Courtesy of /g/  8)

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Re: Building a computer
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2011, 07:33:45 AM »
Nice reference there.
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Re: Building a computer
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2011, 07:40:21 AM »
wow nice charts, i wonder where my e3300 and e7500 stands on that chart...

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Re: Building a computer
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2011, 09:26:08 AM »
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DVD burner (do you NEED bluray?)  (ASUS SATA or (better) PATA)

why would you use pata for an optical drive?

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Re: Building a computer
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2011, 11:01:59 AM »
wow nice charts, i wonder where my e3300 and e7500 stands on that chart...
Buddy, no offense but, those Es don't worth shit anymore.

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DVD burner (do you NEED bluray?)  (ASUS SATA or (better) PATA)

why would you use pata for an optical drive?
Want a hint? You just answered yourself.
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Re: Building a computer
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2011, 11:10:35 AM »
why would you use pata for an optical drive?

If only DVD is used, SATA is not necessary. There's no point in a DVD burner that can burn DVDs at 24X when DVDs are only ever rated to burn at up to 16X, which PATA burners are perfectly capable of and are cheaper, if you can find one.

OTOH, Blu-ray can take advantage of the extra speed that SATA can provide.

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Re: Building a computer
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2011, 11:37:30 AM »
SATA cables tend to add less to cable clutter (even the ‘rounded’ PATA cables get rather thick), and mobo-makers are already starting to phase out PATA connectors on some motherboards. In fact, both AMD and Intel have already done away with chipset-native IDE support (Intel since ICH8/9 [ICH8-mobile still had PATA support, completely removed in ICH9], AMD since SB700), so any IDE capability you see on motherboards is provided by a third-party controller (usually from JMicron).

If you want to buy an optical drive that still works with your new mobos a few years down the road, it makes sense to buy one with a SATA interface, unless you can find a PATA one for much cheaper. Trying to keep a PATA drive when you’re trying to upgrade to newer motherboards limits your options, since you have to find a motherboard that has PATA connectors.

To illustrate, take a look at Newegg’s LGA1155 motherboard listings. Out of those, the ones with PATA support can be counted on one hand. Sure, you might not be buying Sandy Bridge or a brand-spanking-new board now, but what about a few years down the road? AMD 700/800-series motherboards largely still come with PATA support, but you can see that a number of them have already done away with PATA support too. With Zambezi/Llano slated for release in another few months, and with a new bevy of motherboards to match, expect the proportion of boards with PATA support to keep decreasing.



If theres one nice thing about PATA though, it’s connector robustness. Some of the included SATA cables that come included with motherboards (especially lower-end models) can have rather flimsy connectors that may loosen with time.

Frankly, I’m looking forward to the day when optical drives come with USB motherboard headers, so precious SATA ports can be freed up. This isn’t an issue for me since I’m not using an internal optical drive, but it still would be lovely to be able to plug an optical drive into one of the unused motherboard USB headers instead.
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Re: Building a computer
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2011, 12:20:49 PM »
If you don't mind doing things the long way around, you can have that USB optical drive all wired up inside, well I guess you've probably thought of it already.
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Re: Building a computer
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2011, 01:21:21 PM »
If you don't mind doing things the long way around, you can have that USB optical drive all wired up inside, well I guess you've probably thought of it already.

speaking of which, I just re-assembled a non-essential system which will be using an ASUS USB DVD (burner?) drive... since i didn't have a DVD available. also, SATA DVD drives tend be more available and like kureshii said, they produce 'less clutter' inside, they're the better option overall. but, to be honest, any half-new motherboard should at least have a 'boot through usb' option in the BIOS and have a good number of options like: USB > LAN > HDD# > HDD# > etc.

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Re: Building a computer
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2011, 07:15:01 PM »
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Regarding PATA for DVD/CD drive: already addressed in some detail upthread.  I used the term "better" for my personal preferences, & was typing fast at the speed of thinking.  Might have used a better term ... but, I like a PATA DVD/CD option because 1) don't need SATA speeds for less-than-bluray (optical) tech 2) conserves SATA port(s) for something that really does need it 3) sometimes booting from PATA is more reliable under emergency recovery conditions (and, I'll admit, as more modern tech comes online, that is becoming a negligible concern).  4) If I have a mobo w/ PATA controller, I hate for it to go unused.

5) In the past two years I've been able to pick up PATA CD/DVD drives cheap or free (which will probably change in the near future), again a useful capacity for very reliable old technology.  Sort of like still having floppy drive ability, even though you only need it once per year ... boy do you need it when you need it.  Do NOT underestimate the usefulness of having boot-to-CD/DVD capability and at least one recovery CD/DVD option in your desk drawer.


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Re: Building a computer
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2011, 11:01:47 PM »
wow nice charts, i wonder where my e3300 and e7500 stands on that chart...
Buddy, no offense but, those Es don't worth shit anymore.

yea i know, i bought the core2 3years ago and i bought the celeron a year ago because i had a sweet deal of a whole package for 265$. since 3years ago, everyone back in those days suggest to buy core2s instead xD. so yea, i bought mine on their prime years.

you do know that the e7500 can stand up fair with the i3 right? tho 10% slower in most applications and 20% slower in multi threaded applications. considering the release date, its just right all around ^^

something to look at - http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/87?vs=118

edit: oh ya, if you compare parts, atleast do it like this way and pretty much match the speeds ie 2.93ghz vs 2.93ghz , E7xxx vs i3 5xx / E8xxx vs i5 6xx / Q8xxx vs i5 7xx / Q9xxx vs i7 8xx / QX9xxx vs i7 9xx

ofcourse the i7 hexa-core doesnt have a match with the Core series =P exept this pulling a stunt xD http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/48?vs=157 (yea this much proves the "stay away from hexa-cores for now" theory =P)
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Re: Building a computer
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2011, 08:39:34 PM »
ofcourse the i7 hexa-core doesnt have a match with the Core series =P exept this pulling a stunt xD http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/48?vs=157 (yea this much proves the "stay away from hexa-cores for now" theory =P)
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You compared on a per clock basis but not on a per core. The 6 core/12 thread cpu will obviously thrash the quad on heavily threaded apps but for those that won't use more than 4 threads (qx9770 doesn't have hyperthreading), the gains can be attributed to the architecture improvements. Compare qx9770 vs i7 965 and i7 965 vs i7 970 in the same benchmarks you used. Unless you do alot of heavily threaded apps, those idle cores on the 970 are useless and are not worth the premium, intel charges you.