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Re: i5 2500k Build - Best parts for it?
« Reply #40 on: April 27, 2011, 04:01:59 PM »
I haven't had any experiences with 1155 boards that your CPU uses, but I have heard about some SATA ports dying down or something over time, so make sure your MB doesn't have that problem. Check reviews and whatnot.

The Cougar Point (H67/P67) SATA port issue has been fixed with new revision boards already (since as early as March); this should be a non-issue. Just make sure you don't buy from online retailers who'd try to stiff you by selling any unexchanged boards.
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Re: i5 2500k Build - Best parts for it?
« Reply #41 on: April 27, 2011, 07:28:03 PM »
^ Since everything related to LGA 1155 on the market was recalled when Intel revealed the issue, everything that anyone can buy new right now would have to be fixed. Of course, that's assuming what you said. The links he gave seem to be reputable retailers, so I don't think this is much of a problem.

Anyway, thanks for the info, that was some good reading. Osmo, go with Kureshii's more informed opinions on SSDs rather than mine. While the advertised speed is often a fair indication of an SSD's overall performance, it doesn't compare to what a benchmark can tell you.

Also, the point about the K processor is a good one. Weigh your objectives a bit. The price difference between a regular 2500 and a 2500K is pretty small, but money wasted is money wasted - why buy an apple only to leave it to rot? Figure out how much computing power you really need (and how much you intend to overclock), keeping in mind that gaming is not all that computing-intensive compared to graphics-intensive. If your needs are really low, consider even trying to find an S (low-power) processor to save on energy costs, though S processors also cost a tad more than the regular version, probably by about 10 GBP.

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Re: i5 2500k Build - Best parts for it?
« Reply #42 on: April 27, 2011, 10:53:40 PM »
So I made a thread awhile back about buying a pre-built, too many people were bitching about it saying build your own. So you know what? That's exactly what I'm going to do. And I need help.

It will be a i5 2500k build, so put down links or names of items of what do you think would be the best build within that price range.

Thanks you.

Bear in mind.

-Items from the UK websites only please.
-All parts must be compatible with eachother.
-Primary use; Running full 1080p Hd videos and top end gaming. Aswell as photoshop for professional photography.
-2 years at least to last

i5 2500k build.

  • £100 Motherboard = Which one?
  • £50 Ram (DDR3 4GB) = Which one?
  • £200 GPU - ATi preferably 6970 or 6950 = Which one? or anything better in that price range?
  • £40 Case - Simple, not bulky, clean looking = Which one?
  • £50 -£60 Power supply OCZ? = Which one?
  • £40 - £60 Hard Drive. Preferably 1TB 7200rpm. = Which one?

Anything else I need?

Websites

http://www.amazon.co.uk/
http://www.ebuyer.com/
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/
http://www.redstore.com/base/front_page.php
http://store.cbccomputers.com/
http://www.aria.co.uk/
https://www.pricelover.com/

ide personally avoid ocz powersupply, they are the only company ive had have a power supply go bad on me that wasnt my fault.

Ide suggest sticking with a corsair or silverstone psu

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Re: i5 2500k Build - Best parts for it?
« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2011, 02:44:53 AM »
If you plan on overclocking (i.e. buying i5-2500K + P67), there are some things you should note:

1) CPU Temperatures        You'll need much more than the included stock cooler. As BrownMasterV and others before you have pointed out, the processor is going to be running hot even before overclocking. For some ideas of how hot it can get, my i5-750 setup reached >80°C while doing some video encoding on the stock cooler; expect similar temperatures with the i5-2500 on stock cooler. Room temperature here is close to 30°C so you might get lower temperatures in your climate, but still, most people don't like their processors running at temperatures like that for extended periods of time. (Don’t worry, my i5 is happily cooled by an ECO ALC now, though I have other worries).

2) Case Air Temperatures        In the large majority of case airflow setups, the hot air from the CPU circulates inside the case before being exhausted out of the case. This means that if CPU temperatures rise, the temperatures on other components in your desktop should be expected to rise as well. There should not be any problems cooling your motherboard, but think of your poor GPU and HDDs. You will most likely want to get better case fans that pull/push more air if you plan on doing any significant overclocking.

3) Increased Power Consumption        If you want to know what power consumption is like with an overclocked CPU, take a look at bit-tech's Power Consumption (Load) numbers (note that those numbers include Asus P8P67 motherboard, Radeon HD5870 and Caviar Black at idle; see the rest of the review for more detail). See how much more power the i5-2500K consumes at 4.9GHz vs 3.3GHz. Nothing a good PSU can't handle, but keep in mind that increased power consumption also means increased temperatures in your room. This is probably a good thing in winter, but don't forget about summer too.

tl;dr If you want to overclock a K-series processor, plan on spending more money on a third-party CPU cooler as well as better case fans.

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Re: i5 2500k Build - Best parts for it?
« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2011, 03:18:03 AM »
i`m gonna relist of what osmo has in mind right now so it`ll be easy to spell out.


i5-2500K or i5-2500(alternate if he doesnt overclock)

no board so far(waiting for Z68 as lupin suggested)

Corsair 2000MHZ CL9-10-9-27 2x2GB

Asus 2GB HD6970

no case in particular yet

600Watts+ psu (currently searching for a good brand)

SSD with 60-80gb for main drive(currently searching for a good brand) and a 1Tb or 2x500gb(raid) of Samsung Spinpoint F3 for a slave drive

FIXED Ver.
i`m gonna relist of what osmo has in mind right now so it`ll be easy to spell out.

i5-2500K

Mobo: waiting for a Z release. Either Z or P. Mostly likely P.

Asus 2GB HD6970

no case in particular yet

600Watts+ psu (currently searching for a good brand)

SSD with 60 for main drive(currently searching for a good brand) and a 1Tb or 2x500gb(raid) of Samsung Spinpoint F3 for a slave drive



Extra:

IntelNIC (hes looking into it if it`ll benifit him)

X-Fi soundcard OR Asus Xonar series (defo get one of which is better)
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Re: i5 2500k Build - Best parts for it?
« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2011, 03:49:06 AM »
I really don't understand this obsession with the Z68 motherboards. If you're one of those who just like to try out newfangled features and have the money for it, by all means go ahead. But consider that:

1) The selection of Z68 boards will be much smaller than H67/P67, since it's targeting a niche market;
2) Z68 boards will cost more than H67/P67 boards without any performance improvement;
3) Z68's feature set isn't needed by most people;

If you're one of the unlucky few who want to use integrated graphics on a heavily overclocked i5-2500K (I won't question why), then yeah, I can see reason enough to get a Z68. If not, why even bother? With a dedicated graphics card, just get a P67/H67 already.

Don't even get me started on idiots and their misconceptions of what "SSD caching" will do for them.



Intel NIC isn't really needed; it's definitely better than the onboard Realtek/Marvell chips, but unless you're doing heavy networking tasks (gigabit file transfers, local network database, etc) you will not see any noticeable improvement with an i5-2500 build. A dedicated NIC card will help offload some network-related tasks from the CPU, but even if you constantly approach the gigabit transfer limit over the network, it is a non-issue for the typical user. Get it if your budget allows, but put it at the bottom of the priority list.

The attainable transfer speeds are pretty similar, and depend on your drivers and NIC settings, as well as transfer protocol used. In case you think the Realteks are real CPU-guzzlers, take a look at P67 reviews and note the CPU utilisation for Ethernet performance (keep in mind the Asus and Intel boards are using the P67's Intel LAN controller, while the other boards are using the Realtek chip).

tl;dr Realtek is fine and you don't need to feel bad about it.



If you are going to get the X-Fi Xtremeaudio as an entry-level sound card, consider first the differences between it and the rest of the X-Fi family. For entry-level I'd recommend something else (i.e. non-Xtremeaudio) in the X-Fi series, or go with the Asus Xonar DX/D2. This is a luxury that's only meaningful if you have a sound system to match, so put it at the bottom of the priority list too (above the Intel NIC).



If you find yourself with spare money to spend, go for more memory first. It may seem useless for most purposes, but I presume you will be working with high-resolution stuff in PS. Bump up PS memory cache usage in settings, and you should see some pretty nice improvement. You also get nice cached read access on large files. I haven't had the luxury of running Windows 7 on a high-end PC yet, but I hear it has pretty aggressive caching, so I am simply assuming that the benefits of large RAM I enjoy in Linux apply to it as well.

G.Skill Ripjaws is pretty well-reputed, and should be worth its price. A couple of those 4GB sticks costs about the same as 4x2GB sticks, so it's pretty much a no-brainer if you're going for 8GB of RAM. If you can find DDR3-1600 and/or lower timings (lower timings = better) at a similar price, go for it, but otherwise those timings are hardly a deal-breaker.



Since I linked those RAM sticks, I might as well link some recommended PSUs from the same retailer: Corsair TX-750/TX-650. If you plan on going 6970-Crossfire, go with something more power, i.e. TX-950 (and adjust your budget expectations accordingly).

Why don't I recommend the Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold PSUs? Because the TX-950, despite not having an 80Plus Gold rating, has comparable power efficiency and much better voltage ripple, than the Silent Pro Gold 800W. The Silent Pro Gold 1000W is based on the same internals as the 800W, with efficiency at higher loads adjusted as required, but otherwise still performs comparably. And this is supposed to be Cooler Master's top-of-the-line PSU! If that sits well with you, go ahead and get a Cooler Master PSU, but I'm definitely putting my money with more worthy manufacturers.
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Re: i5 2500k Build - Best parts for it?
« Reply #46 on: April 28, 2011, 03:33:28 PM »
about the rams, i did a little googling on what improvements and difference did latency vs speed on ram had.
Sandybridge Ram Speed vs Latency
it looks like integrating the memory controller directly into the processor made some huge differences.
real-world wise, anything better than 1600mhz CL9 isnt gonna make any noticeable difference, the only thing that made people buy higher rating rams is to push their processor higher as the BCLK/FSB was tied with the ram speed which doesnt apply with sandy bridge.
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Re: i5 2500k Build - Best parts for it?
« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2011, 03:51:16 PM »
it looks like integrating the memory controller directly into the processor made some huge differences.
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Re: i5 2500k Build - Best parts for it?
« Reply #48 on: April 28, 2011, 03:56:52 PM »
Well, I was thinking about getting CORSAIR AX850. Looks nice, and I need pretty high power draw with liquid cooling, 2 monitors, a beefy graphics card, 5 hdds, etc..

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Re: i5 2500k Build - Best parts for it?
« Reply #49 on: April 28, 2011, 04:07:12 PM »
Well, I was thinking about getting CORSAIR AX850. Looks nice, and I need pretty high power draw with liquid cooling, 2 monitors, a beefy graphics card, 5 hdds, etc..

You can't go wrong with the Corsair AX series. I actully received one today for a new system i'll be putting together.

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Re: i5 2500k Build - Best parts for it?
« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2011, 04:43:55 PM »
AX is definitely a good pick, though AX850 is overkill for a system with only a single graphics card. AX750 would be plenty enough, but you're always free to spend more, I guess. Your two monitors don't figure into the PSU power budget, by the way ;)

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Re: i5 2500k Build - Best parts for it?
« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2011, 09:09:43 PM »
I was going to go for the AX850, but went for the HX850 instead. It looks like the best out there for it's price.

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Re: i5 2500k Build - Best parts for it?
« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2011, 11:39:47 PM »
I assumed you were going to overclock your 2500k (why else would one get a 2500k?), and I strongly advise against using the heatsink/fan that comes with it

I will do so in the future.
Win7 64bit took 32gb on me with some other programs sharing the SSD, like EASEUS, MSN, Yahoo, etc. including Virtual memory(i allocated 4gb VM with having 4gb of ram totaling of 8gb)

i`d buy me a ATI HD6950 if i had the money, i`ve always wanted one, seriously wanted one.


6970 is the one I'm going to get.
And 60GB SSD will do.

I reckon it's around the 20-30GB range with everything installed and setting a ridiculous huge portion of it as a page file. That's 32bit. 64 is probably another 5?

Aftermarket cooler... I believe someone is recommending you upgrade the fans in your comp or consider water cooling.

Can I leave the cooler till after I've set up my pc?

Ugh.

More crap suggestions.

You're suggesting more unecessary components like the above, the soundcard and NIC. Focus on the primary purpose of his build while considering the budget. While the OP might be willing to shell out money for these components, it would be wiser to spend them on the more important components. It would be better spending those on a better motherboard, more RAM (max it out and I don't think you'll ever need a pagefile for the lifetime of the build), a bigger SSD and/or more HDD storage.

What's the deal with coolers, heatsinks and fans? Can you explain ?

Then it comes to a cpu cooler it's mostly a sound issue. The stock Intel cooler can handle some overclocking, at least of the case airflow is good BUT it will sound like a jetplane. Cooler Master Hyper 212 is an often recommended cooler as it relatively cheap and performs very well.

Well I won't be overclocking straight away, so buying a cooler later is np



If you want to save some money, go with an i5-2500.
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Odd recommendation, I know, but considering you don't seem to have purchase plans for an aftermarket cooler or heavy overclocking, I'd say most of the money you spend on that 'K' suffix is wasted. You won't be hitting anywhere near the full potential of a K-series Sandy Bridge processor anyway, and you can still overclock up to 4.1GHz with a non-K processor. An i5-2500 won't be your bottleneck for gaming. Give it a good think through. As a bonus, if you're not planning on going Crossfire/SLI in the next 2 years, you can save even more money and go with an H67 motherboard! :D

I already brought the 2500k. :) Just so I can spite myself and pretty my fuck myself over so I have no other choice to get crackin. And in terms of money, it's really not a worry. Only if we are talking about £1000k +. Ofcourse I want to spend as little as possible but I waste money on stupid shit like food, starbucks, cinemas, girlfriend, clubbin... weekly so spending a bit more for quality makes me feel better.

I think you're right about the motherboards, I'm still going to wait for  the Z68 to get released, not that I will get it but it will give me time to research other parts and the P67 price will defo drop with this new release. Thanks for making sense anyway. Some shit I just don't need. Thanks for your post I will use it as reference later especially for the SSD bit which prolly mostly went over my head.

In the meantime could you reccomend me a P67 board that will go well with my CPU and ATi 6970 soon to be? Prince range £80-120

i`m gonna relist of what osmo has in mind right now so it`ll be easy to spell out.

i5-2500K

Mobo: waiting for a Z release. Either Z or P. Mostly likely P.

Asus 2GB HD6970

no case in particular yet

600Watts+ psu (currently searching for a good brand)

SSD with 60 for main drive(currently searching for a good brand) and a 1Tb or 2x500gb(raid) of Samsung Spinpoint F3 for a slave drive


:) thanks mate. I edited the things in for definite.

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Re: i5 2500k Build - Best parts for it?
« Reply #53 on: April 28, 2011, 11:48:31 PM »
Ugh.

More crap suggestions.

You're suggesting more unecessary components like the above, the soundcard and NIC. Focus on the primary purpose of his build while considering the budget. While the OP might be willing to shell out money for these components, it would be wiser to spend them on the more important components. It would be better spending those on a better motherboard, more RAM (max it out and I don't think you'll ever need a pagefile for the lifetime of the build), a bigger SSD and/or more HDD storage.

What's the deal with coolers, heatsinks and fans? Can you explain ?
I'm just referring to the NIC, video card and sound card.

Follow kureshii's advice ;)

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Re: i5 2500k Build - Best parts for it?
« Reply #54 on: April 29, 2011, 01:55:26 PM »

for the ram, i suggest taking a look at this Corsair 2000MHZ CL9-10-9-27 2x2GB. the SNB has the memory multiplier unlocked, picking a high clocked ram would be a good thing.
PS: it says theres one one stock right now and it has a 40% off so Grab the ram now before the sale wears off.


I'm looking to buy this but I wanted to make sure the latency was good and whether it will be compatible with P67 boards.

CPU: i5 2500k

Motherboard: P67. Can someone pick out a good P67 for me? this is the part that I'm still unsure of thanks. again £100-£120

RAM: Corsair CMX4GX3M2B2000C9 8GB DDR3. Is it better for me to buy 2x4gb sicks or 4x2GB sticks?

GPU: Asus 2GB ATi Radeon 6970

Memory: 64GB SSD Boot Drive. 500GB x2 Spinpoint F3 Slave Drive Raid.

PSU: Corsair TX750 V2 PSU

CASE: Undecided.[/quote]

I think that's all I need for now. but still unsure about mobo and what SSD 60GB bran I'm getting

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Re: i5 2500k Build - Best parts for it?
« Reply #55 on: April 29, 2011, 08:02:26 PM »
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RAM: Corsair CMX4GX3M2B2000C9 8GB DDR3. Is it better for me to buy 2x4gb sicks or 4x2GB sticks?
2x4gb, performance wise it won't matter either way but 2x4gb is much easier to upgrade in the future than 4x2gb.
Sure 8gb is probably going to last you the life time of this computer but why limit your future options when there are nothing to gain.

Btw getting faster than 1600mhz memory is pointless, even if you overclock your computer by increasing base speed (instead of just clock multiplier) you won't increase it more than that and most likely you will stay at the base 1333mhz so even faster than that are doubtfully needed. If the price are similar you can go for the faster one but if they are more expensive then there are better places to add that extra cash.
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Re: i5 2500k Build - Best parts for it?
« Reply #56 on: April 29, 2011, 08:57:51 PM »
Hope you know this already, but just in case you don't, make sure you don't store anything important on your RAID 0 array. Once one drive goes, all your data is gone. Go with RAID 1 if you don't want that - RAID 1 writes the same data to both drives, so your effective space is halved, but you get the benefit of data redundancy as well as similar read performance as RAID 0 (though writing would yield the same performance as if there was just one drive).

Remember - RAID 0 is meant to increase performance as well as risk, not necessarily to maximize your drive usage.

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Re: i5 2500k Build - Best parts for it?
« Reply #57 on: April 30, 2011, 10:44:40 AM »
if a no-raid setup lasts you 2years, what difference does it make on raid0?

raid0 splits the file fragments on the two drives and writes it at the same time, making the write speed as good as double, its the same with read, but you're not doing much more difference than what you're actually doing with just one drive. if you compare it on how SSD operates, it uses an array of nandflash under similar operation of a raid0 setup but its still durable.

so what i`m asking is how can a raid0 fail? the only things that i could think of is a defective drive or a power loss under writing procedure, which happens on regular single drive as well, or an error with the raid controller, messing up your files, which you should avoid.

back to the topic.

the corsair i linked for a 2x2gb kit is a one hell of a cheap deal for that specs, thats all i`m pointing out, theres better deal out there. you`d rarely see 2000mhz CL9-10-9-27 under £100.

if you see like £10-20 on SSD 64GB to 80GB just get the 80gb >,> its just a few leaves more, considering you're shelling out a nasty bundle.

the mobo i`m not sure either, i`m only on to cheap, reliable, decent and well reputated boards, just look at what it contains like a 4ram slots or more(16gb of 4x4gb sticks, yum)
more than 2slots for SATA III(future raid purpose i guess), more than 6slots for SATA II(same, raid)
a mobo with crossfire ready(if you ever consider doing XFire) and a good spacing in between the lanes and it doesnt cover all the other slots(by it i meant, the board has at least two pcie16x running at 16x-16x or 8x-8x that doesnt cover the other lanes)
2-3 pcie1x lanes(for the sound card and/or IntelNIC and/or other peripherals)
1-2 PCI lanes(i doubt you`d need one of this but just in case)
find a board with a good spacing from processor slot to ram slot and pcie slot, there are some boards that has their ram too close to the processor, this is a pain when installing a huge heatsink, same with the pcie lanes, unless you do water cooling, you`d have a pain with those boards.
and last but the most important, a durable, reliable and well reputated board that has less than 1% return rate(impossible in most cases but try and find one).

case... just screw your board down into a hard plastic panel and be done with it! LOL joke  ::) scroll down the case list on amazon or other sites and pick out the one that makes you happy. one thing, be sure it can hold your board's size and the amount of HDD/SSD into your case, specially your one foot long video card.
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Re: i5 2500k Build - Best parts for it?
« Reply #58 on: April 30, 2011, 11:44:14 AM »
so what i`m asking is how can a raid0 fail? the only things that i could think of is a defective drive or a power loss under writing procedure, which happens on regular single drive as well, or an error with the raid controller, messing up your files, which you should avoid.
Accidental disk dropout (happens occasionally with some drives/controllers), power cut without UPS, BSOD during disk write, etc.

The difference is, if this happens with a RAID0 and you can’t recover it, you lose all data on the array. Do not pass GO, do not collect $200. If you have 2 separate disks and 1 dies irrecoverably, you only lose that data on that disk; the other disk data remains intact.

So how important is your data now?

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Re: i5 2500k Build - Best parts for it?
« Reply #59 on: April 30, 2011, 12:42:41 PM »
ohhh... so you mean one minor error and/or glitch can practically burn your files and maybe the hdd as well into the trashbin...

meh, i`ve been losing files since a long time ago, 10% of that were due to harddisk failures, not on raid tho, my raid0 is still alive~ =D boosts boot time by a little bit(they were old 40gb hdd,what can you expect? still alive after 4years =P tho 2years of that were them running on individual systems and i salvaged them), then i switched to ssd, that practically shaved off half of the boot time. i lost files due to viruses and corrupted sectors, they were super annoying, partitioning a 40gb-80gb drive isnt helping much too, i`d allocate like 25gb to the os and whats left is a measly 15gb-55gb partition... this was 4years ago imho where 250gb were still quite expensive(2years ago i owned one 160gb and one 250gb hdd, the 160gb got juiced and wrecked a whole collection of movies, wallpapers and musics -,-) the 250gb drive is still alive too, tho its a 5400rpm drive =(

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