Author Topic: SSD (Read 3296 times)

Lonewolf5460 · « **on:** May 12, 2011, 09:12:18 PM »

Hey guys whats up just want your views on this technology.

I have an older Intel ssd that is rated for 190 read and 35 write but I get 220 reads and 40 writes and I never had a slowdown and my laptop boots in under 10 seconds to the log in screen. With the proper tweaks I have got my windows 7 install under 14 gigs, right now I have 19 gigs free with Office Photoshop Nero and a few other things installed. Also if your worried about reliability my experience with the intel drive which I have had for well over a year under heavy use, and even with 2 gigs free, (I loaded it up with videos for the test) I was able to get 200+ read. The people that say these things are not ready for prime time are blind to the fact of how awesome it is to have your core apps and windows 7 on a ssd . Photoshop loads in 4-6 seconds on a 1.73 ghz core 2 duo laptop.

So who here has a ssd and what has been your experience with them?

My view is even the SSD market a year ago the 99 dollars I spent on my SSD was the best performance boost I have seen in years and it is just getting better. Also even though my SSD is an outdated "budget" one I am so irritated when I use a pc without one it is like night and day. Most of the time when my programs hung in windows is directly attributed to how the hard drive could not supply info to the program, I have not seen a lock up in a long while.

I am getting this one for my desktop 280 read speed 270 write. I had my Intel one in my desktop but I decide to move it over to my laptop for the benefit of resuming from hibernation is literally a second.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233177

My intel one has a lowly 35 mbs write speed but you would not know once to OS and programs are installed and that is the most intensive writes you will do, especially for a boot drive the writes are not important but I would be lying if I was not exited to see the difference between the two.

They are too small to hold your movies and stuff but that is where traditional hard drives come in, as a boot drive this is a steal. You can look and price per gig and say it is too expensive but the overall performance boost is immense. Where else can you spend 85 bucks and see such a dramatic performance boost? If you could have a performance / price metric a SSD would win, you could spend an extra hundred on a slightly more powerful cpu and not notice it normally it but you will defiantly notice the difference of an 85 dollar ssd with every click you make.

It is the best thing since on die integrated L1 cache.

kitamesume · « **Reply #1 on:** May 12, 2011, 09:23:16 PM »

add "i`m waiting for SSDs to become cheaper on Price Per GB"

and yes i own an OCZ agility 2 40gb, i got it for 55$ from a 50% off on all harddisks if i buy something worth 50$ or more.(still heluva expensive, could've bought a 500gb for 40$ with that harddisk sale)

it was a big improvement of 10sec boot(slowest) considering my old hdd boots 20sec(slowest) from 0 to surf.

Lonewolf5460 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 12, 2011, 09:28:24 PM »

I think that "I am waiting for more improvements capacity/speed" covers that

Anyways price per gig is irrelevant unless you planning to have everything on your ssd like on a laptop. On my laptop I have a 16 gig SD card to hold my music and other data and it is networked so all my anime and movies stays on my desktop. You will get the majority of the benefits using it as a boot drive. As I said tell me anywhere else in a computer you could spend a hundred bucks and see such a dramatic improvement.

If anyone is in the market for a laptop look for one with dual bays and have a 750 gig as a secondary and the ssd as a primary.

kitamesume · « **Reply #3 on:** May 12, 2011, 09:43:23 PM »

no, it doesnt cover the price/gb

and no, i meant is that the SSDs are too expensive to be useful enough, unless you really need that speed so badly, you could just stick with the cheaper 7200rpm, heck 10,000rpms are even less expensive than those SSDs on GB per GB comparison.

Lonewolf5460 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 12, 2011, 09:53:04 PM »

You never used one huh I thought the same, I have had 34 gig raptors on raid zero they dont compare, latency is not your friend. The performance difference is huge changing a few settings is very simple to do you dont store video and music on it that is a waste of space as those files wont see the speed improvement. Your os and major programs that is all you need on it. Is it so hard to have steam and your games point to your secondary drive? Or do what I did with my laptop, it took me 2 minutes to network my desktops storage to my laptop your making it seem like a big deal which it is not.

kitamesume · « **Reply #5 on:** May 12, 2011, 09:55:29 PM »

you dont get what i say do you? i said i dont mind waiting 20seconds of boot time, once the system boots, ssds are worthless, why? i dont move files too much nor do i have to, i leave my pc working 24/7 so i dont even need to reboot. tho i only reboot when system needs to, via update or hardware install.

speed isnt all there is, price per capacity is still the main problem of storage devices, games are getting bigger, videos are getting bigger as well. having 1Tb of storage isnt enough anymore, if people did have the issue of speed, they would've instantly switched to SSDs and still continue to have capacity issues. so what are making people still cling to HDDs? its because SSDs are way too overpriced to be worth more than a boot drive, and its still not that much worth it as a boot drive either, its still gonna take you time to boot, and 50$ more to pay just to shave off 10sec of wait? meh... got to admit rich people are just off the charts when its about "new" or "better" products.

Lonewolf5460 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 12, 2011, 09:59:52 PM »

It is not just the boot time but ok think that way.

As I said in MY experience the times a program freezes it is directly attributed to the hard drive not being able to keep up period I have not had a program freeze up in a long time. Do a virus scan and do something else your programs slow down because your hard drive is trying to do two things at once and the program is stuck waiting for the hard drive, not a problem with a ssd with its access times. That is the main performance benefit not boot times.

Having Firefox start in a second or having iTunes start instantly is a bonus the stability for your programs is a benefit to. BTW iTunes is on the ssd the actual music is on a regular hard drive.

Burkingam · « **Reply #7 on:** May 12, 2011, 10:08:15 PM »

I bought one like a month ago and I still haven't install it. I'm to busy right now. I will wait for the end of my semester.

kitamesume · « **Reply #8 on:** May 12, 2011, 10:15:44 PM »

so you're saying viruses only clings to OS drives? no they dont, usually the first thing you`d want to scan is your slave drive, because an infected slave drive is a bye-bye files drive. making you lag while you scan and access your slave drive. i dont use my anti-virus any more than a virus-monitoring defense(so i`d know if i`m infected already or not) as its because its useless, it cant entirely block viruses from infecting your drive, nor can it perfectly remove it.

i dont get any freezes on my 5400rpm drive(yea ancient harddrive as an external(hell yea more lag right? but no)) nor do i get freezes on my other rig with a 7200rpm bootdrive, it boots 15-20sec from 0 to surf.
i used my SSD on my HTPC as it needed it more than any rig i owned, i needed it to boot faster and nothing else.

copying chunks of files from one HDD to another is a pain indeed, but why would i buy 1000$ SSD for storage?

Edit2: my firefox starts the second i click it(with currently 17opened tabs and saved after close), yea instantly, why? i use my ram as a buffer.

isukianime · « **Reply #9 on:** May 12, 2011, 10:23:29 PM »

i'm going to wait till they've fixed the cold boot issue that the SSD drives seem to have.

http://www.google.com/search?q=ssd+not+detected+on+boot&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a&aq=1&aqi=g3g-j3g-m4&aql=&oq=ssd+not+detected

Lonewolf5460 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 12, 2011, 10:24:29 PM »

What the hell are you even going on about I was using a virus scanner as an example af a i/o intensive function if you never had a program lock up while doing something that is i/o intensive your not who I am talking about when I recommend a ssd. You keep you computer on 24/7 boot times are not an issue for you then if you are saying 7200 rpm yet alone a 5400 and your not noticing slow downs you must not multi task. Do this on a regular hard drive have a virtual machine open doing something mildly intensive like encoding a video and start video editing on your main os.

Also I know a virus can kill my files that is why I have a hard drive dedicated to fresh downloads they are scanned many times then put on permanent storage I am not a noob.

You sound like an average user not my problem just because you cant see the benefit does not mean you are right.

Also I don't every copy anything between my hard drives, some proper file management skills and knowing how to point your torrents and programs where to save is more than enough.

Quote from: isukianime on May 12, 2011, 10:23:29 PM

i'm going to wait till they've fixed the cold boot issue that the SSD drives seem to have.

http://www.google.com/search?q=ssd+not+detected+on+boot&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a&aq=1&aqi=g3g-j3g-m4&aql=&oq=ssd+not+detected

I have seen that cold boot issue never ran into it myself but if happens just rma and get another.
Quote from: Lonewolf5460 on May 12, 2011, 10:24:29 PM

kitamesume · « **Reply #11 on:** May 12, 2011, 10:30:09 PM »

i`m seeding a chunk load of torrents(49 to be precise) with a 5400rpm drive, playing a mmorpg game right now, has firefox opened with 17tabs, has my audio synthesizer doing mic morphing right now, has both yahoo and msn opened and to top it all off, i`m currently transfering 34files of 100gb(the downloaded torrents is being duplicated and arranged, manually by me). and i dont suffer any slow downs, later on i`ll be editing my anime that i downloaded to get those freakin OP/ED off.

the reason i need to transfer my files is that i have two computers(leave the other two off, got a total of 4rigs, 1celly(was the HTPC but sold the other main rig(E7500 c2d)),1 i3(newly bought htpc), 1 sempron(backup pc), 1 athlon II x4(my old gaming rig, on standby for visitors to use) while i do have a couple of pentium# in the attic), my main is what i use to download, i have to transfer it into my htpc so thats why i`m duplicating files from harddrive to harddrive, take it off and plug it in my htpc, voala, i can seed while i`m editing my animes.

Note: once you edited a file, it's hash will change, you may no longer use it to seed. duplicating is a must.

PS: my mmorpg game only runs on windowsXP i`m using windows 7 right now, get what i`m doing? got a virual OS running on background.

Edit: ohh yea, to make it more troll-like post, my main PC is a Celeron E3300(which i use to game and to edit files) while my HTPC is a newly bought i3 2100, wth right? so kewl. later on i`d be buying an ivybridge rig for the main pc =D meh... not like anyone cares.

Lonewolf5460 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 12, 2011, 10:39:21 PM »

Ok whatever you say that does sound pretty harsh for a mechanical drive you must have one of the newer ones with good read speeds.

Mine give me 90+ mbs reads and I know the newer ones can do bursts of 110. I am not missing it on my desktop all too much but I still notice slow downs and a random lock up or 2 on Firefox and Photoshop but i have way over 40 tabs opened so that may just be Firefox.

I cant wait to get that new one for my desktop I find my self using my laptop more than i would just because it is a lot snappier you know when you hear the hard drive when your waiting for something to load that would be done on a ssd. Even with the huge difference in processing power my laptop feels faster doing normal things.

Edit

I still stand by my statement tell me where an hundred bucks would make a better improvement all you have told me is why hard drives are good enough. Also I was thinking you can multitask like that you must have your swap file disabled. Making it mostly between your ram and cpu that seems the most likely case especially since you keep it on all the time windows 7 would have cached everything for you anyways. That is how my desktop is set right now an your right it is defiantly something I can live with but not good enough for me.

kitamesume · « **Reply #13 on:** May 12, 2011, 10:44:05 PM »

just add "i`m waiting for SSDs to be cheaper on Price/GB" cant hurt to add one more option cant it?

anyway, SSDs are indeed nice to have, its just too expensive to be considered "worth it" if you plan to use it anything other than a bootdrive.

Lonewolf5460 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 12, 2011, 10:50:25 PM »

I will add it.

Seems like we are on the same page It is only a reasonable option as a boot drive anything else right now is way too expensive for anything else.

Burkingam · « **Reply #15 on:** May 12, 2011, 11:02:50 PM »

+1

And I should add, If you are on linux, using a USB flash card is perhaps more appealing than a SSD. It's slower because it's limited to the USB speed but random access has the same speed , it's a lot less expensive and it's awesome to be able to bring your main around in your wallet. For Windows though, a SSD is nice.

I predict that SSD should make HDD obsolete before the end of the decade when prices will be even.

kitamesume · « **Reply #16 on:** May 12, 2011, 11:13:01 PM »

let them discover how the brain stores all that 9999x9999 res+almost infinite bit rate 60hz video of years in length(aka memories). then even an SSD will become obsolete.

Lonewolf5460 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 12, 2011, 11:15:36 PM »

I agree on that statement.

I have been meaning to do that for a while I just put Ubuntu as a virtual machine and i am starting to mess around with it.

I could find it useful when wiping a clients computer or getting a stubborn virus out, to have an OS on a usb stick I should look into it.

Burkingam · « **Reply #18 on:** May 12, 2011, 11:17:16 PM »

Quote from: kitamesume on May 12, 2011, 11:13:01 PM

let them discover how the brain stores all that 9999x9999 res+almost infinite bit rate 60hz video of years in length(aka memories). then even an SSD will become obsolete.

Looks like a nice premise for a scfi novel but in real life, brain memory tend to forget.

Quote from: Lonewolf5460 on May 12, 2011, 11:15:36 PM

I agree on that statement.

I have been meaning to do that for a while I just put Ubuntu as a virtual machine and i am starting to mess around with it.

I could find it useful when wiping a clients computer or getting a stubborn virus out, to have an OS on a usb stick I should look into it.

You should totally look for ClamAv. It's a free/libre antivirus compatible with linux. It's mostly used to find Windows viruses since Linux has very few but if your job is to repair computers, having linux+clamav on a stick can be a very valuable tool.

Lonewolf5460 · « **Reply #19 on:** May 12, 2011, 11:46:08 PM »

Thank you for the tip I have a spare 16 gig usb stick I will give it a go. It is not really my job but word of mouth is a hell of a thing.