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Core optimizers?
« on: May 30, 2011, 08:25:15 PM »
anyone know any multi-core optimizers, TBH I dont see much difference from a friends 2.6 dual core to my OC. 2.8 quad core. . .I fear probably half the cores are doing nothing but drinking beer. . .
I saw windows msconfig and you can select at the boot to use 4 cores but is that permanent? or just for the "system boot"?
anyways, Im running x64, Ive come across som x32 ones but havent tried them.

didnt find anything in various pages of the useful repository thingy

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Re: Core optimizers?
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2011, 09:12:44 PM »
You aren't going to notice a difference between your friends dual core and your quad core when just using things like web browsers and chat clients, or when booting the computer. If you run some multithreaded benchmarks then you should notice a fairly significant performance difference. Software needs to be designed to utilize multiple cores, you can't just tell any program to use 4 cores and make it magically run faster.

Here is a link to the setting you were talking about http://lifehacker.com/396904/make-vista-use-multiple-cores-to-speed-boot-time. Although if you want to speed up your system, the hard drive is probably the bottleneck in your system, and getting a 10k/15k rpm hdd or an ssd would help to speed up your computer.

Also, I've heard that overclocking when done improperly can sometimes cause performance decreases in certain situations. I'm no expert on overclocking so don't quote me on this.

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Re: Core optimizers?
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2011, 10:16:59 PM »
You aren't going to notice a difference between your friends dual core and your quad core when just using things like web browsers and chat clients, or when booting the computer. If you run some multithreaded benchmarks then you should notice a fairly significant performance difference. Software needs to be designed to utilize multiple cores, you can't just tell any program to use 4 cores and make it magically run faster.

Here is a link to the setting you were talking about http://lifehacker.com/396904/make-vista-use-multiple-cores-to-speed-boot-time. Although if you want to speed up your system, the hard drive is probably the bottleneck in your system, and getting a 10k/15k rpm hdd or an ssd would help to speed up your computer.

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no I was thinking more of gaming, like SC II and Heroes of Newerth. I usually run the games and keep running chrome/iTunes/whatnot in the back he does the same thing and I notice no change from his PC to mine. . .
I would expect for SC II to run smoother since IIRC they have multicore support (I would hope SC runs on 2 cores and my OS/programs run on the other 2)

anyways my concern is this multitasking + videogaming stuff. I would expect higher FPS and stuff during heavy spell spam situations. . .?

whe playing everything on max in SC II we both get the "player is slowing down the game" thing. . .we have same video card, same RAM, windows 7 x64

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Re: Core optimizers?
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2011, 10:22:47 PM »
no I was thinking more of gaming, like SC II and Heroes of Newerth. I usually run the games and keep running chrome/iTunes/whatnot in the back he does the same thing and I notice no change from his PC to mine. . .
I would expect for SC II to run smoother since IIRC they have multicore support (I would hope SC runs on 2 cores and my OS/programs run on the other 2)

anyways my concern is this multitasking + videogaming stuff. I would expect higher FPS and stuff during heavy spell spam situations. . .?

whe playing everything on max in SC II we both get the "player is slowing down the game" thing. . .we have same video card, same RAM, windows 7 x64


See how much cpu usage your background programs use. Then know that they will generally use a bit less when the game is using a lot. I assume it is ~1%. Seeing as SC2 runs optimally at 2 cores and you have a 1% difference in how much the CPU changes things you should both get the warning in most cases.

If you were encoding what you were playing and/or streaming it then you would see a large improvement compared to your friend doing the same since your other cores would kick in. Basically, the extra two cores does nothing for SC2 as long as you keep the background applications down. If you start doing heavy stuff such as running two games at once or encoding then the extra cores start being helpful.

As for HoN, don't know how that works with multiple cores so can't comment on that.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2011, 10:25:57 PM by Sosseres »

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Re: Core optimizers?
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2011, 10:32:18 PM »
having more cores on games doesnt really help, it might but not that huge, maybe you`d see like 5-10fps increase. what affects games more is the videocard.

on the other hand, on a quad core you`ll see lower cpu usage vs dual core. so check how high your cpu usage and your friend's, thats where you`d see the benefit of having a quad.

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Re: Core optimizers?
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2011, 12:28:40 AM »
I'm not sure how much it would help, but in windows task manager, if you right click a process you can "set affinity". This will let you choose which processors(cores) each program can use. This only lasts for the life of the process though. This could help if you have itunes using 100% cpu while your game is running and only 1 or 2 cores show activity. At least I think this is how it works, I've never actually tried it.

Here's a quick guide http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/how-to-set-processor-affinity-to-an-application-in-windows/

Although I don't think SC2 or HoN and iTunes/Chrome should be putting too much strain on your processor

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Re: Core optimizers?
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2011, 02:25:15 AM »
Heck, 5-10 fps is huge when you're on the 30s or 40s fps, but once you go past 60.... Let's just say, assuming that you've shelled out on a high-mid end or high end graphic card, why splurge on a high end card only and leave your processor to struggle with that kind of a budget.
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Re: Core optimizers?
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2011, 05:55:20 AM »
Yea, currently not many popular games fully support having more than 2 cores.  Nor are many actually using more than 2 gigs of ram.  Blame it on limitations of the old engines supporting 6+ year old systems.  Odd hearing the devs say that while they can support 2 cores, 4 cores would need a total workover in code.  But that's going to change with the latest upcoming games, including MMOs.

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[Minimum Spec]
CPU: Intel Dual core/AMD Athlon 64X2 or better
RAM: 2G or better
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CPU: Intel Quad core/AMD Phenom II X4 or better
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Nice to see Quad core and 64 bit support.

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Re: Core optimizers?
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2011, 06:15:11 AM »
about the ram, there are some games that enjoys jumbo size like crysis enjoying 8gbs of ram. so there are some exceptions.

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Re: Core optimizers?
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2011, 07:09:30 AM »
Yea, currently not many popular games fully support having more than 2 cores.  Nor are many actually using more than 2 gigs of ram.  Blame it on limitations of the old engines supporting 6+ year old systems.  Odd hearing the devs say that while they can support 2 cores, 4 cores would need a total workover in code.  But that's going to change with the latest upcoming games, including MMOs.

Blade and Soul Requirements:

[Minimum Spec]
CPU: Intel Dual core/AMD Athlon 64X2 or better
RAM: 2G or better
VGA: nVidia Geforce 8600GT/AMD Radeon HD4600 or better
HDD: 15GB
OS: Windows XP (Service pack 2), Vista, Win7 (32bit / 64bit)
DirectX: 9.0c

[Recommended]
CPU: Intel Quad core/AMD Phenom II X4 or better
RAM: 4G or better
VGA: nVidia Geforce 8800GTX / AMD Radeon HD4850 or better
HDD: 15GB
OS: Windows XP (Service pack 2), Vista, Win7 (64bit)

Nice to see Quad core and 64 bit support.
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Re: Core optimizers?
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2011, 12:37:38 AM »
having more cores on games doesnt really help, it might but not that huge, maybe you`d see like 5-10fps increase. what affects games more is the videocard.

on the other hand, on a quad core you`ll see lower cpu usage vs dual core. so check how high your cpu usage and your friend's, thats where you`d see the benefit of having a quad.

I dunno, I jumped about 20FPS in Grid by upgrading to a 2600K from a E7300. The number of cores arent really a number to go by. Arciture and other internal workings dicate how good a CPU is. Also, you have to look at the games being played. RTS games like cores, the more the better. BC2 also loves cores. You pretty much need a quad to play that higher than 1680x1050 on high settings.

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Re: Core optimizers?
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2011, 05:52:46 AM »
you do know that you jumped from a dual core into a quad+4(HT)[technically an octa though 4fake cores] processor right? well anyway, there are games that loves cores, and games that hates cores, but on average basis, its a 5-10fps gain from 2core to 4core jump.

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Re: Core optimizers?
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2011, 07:42:57 AM »
[technically an octa though 4fake cores]
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Re: Core optimizers?
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2011, 07:56:23 AM »
... Or maybe just a particular poster?

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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2011, 08:57:57 AM »
... Or maybe just a particular poster?
no.

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Re: Core optimizers?
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2011, 09:10:56 AM »
so the OS that says having HT on a quad is a virtual octa is wrong? screw OS makers.
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Re: Core optimizers?
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2011, 11:08:39 AM »
Oh not this HT shit again, we've been through it once but are we going there again?
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Re: Core optimizers?
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2011, 12:19:30 PM »
lol, if HT didnt do anything good, they wouldn't have released i7 2600.

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Re: Core optimizers?
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2011, 01:58:15 PM »
A program has to be specifically designed to make use of multiple cores. Unfortunately, there many, many tasks which just cannot be split into separate threads to run on multiple cores at once. It just cannot be done. And of the tasks which can be, actually programming it is a royal pain in the arse. Multithreaded code is difficult to get your head around to begin with, and it adds in all kinds of potential complications (threads interfering with each other, threads trying to access the same file at once, etc). Not to mention the problems it can cause are incredibly random and difficult to debug.

As a result, games don't tend to use more than a couple of cores, and even then they tend to perform most of the work on a single core (though this does vary massively between different games, of course. Some do it significantly better than others). Developers are getting better at doing multithreading though, so hopefully we should see the number of cores games make good use of increase as time goes on.

so the OS that says having HT on a quad is a virtual octa is wrong? screw OS makers.

HT can give a small boost to some types of applications, but it's not a massive boost, and (especially if it's a quad-core cpu already), I highly doubt it will give any boost at all to games. Even in the most optimal situation, it would not in any way shape or form come even close to being equivalent to an octa-core cpu (Not that an octa-core cpu would give any real boost to most games either).


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Re: Core optimizers?
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2011, 02:21:37 PM »
lol, if HT didnt do anything good, they wouldn't have released i7 2600.
You've forgotten about a certain tech topic with the HT and HOW MANY CORES DOES THAT ONE HAVE nonsense in it?
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