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New Study on Violent Video games
« on: June 02, 2011, 03:27:12 PM »
Article: PC World

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Then, researchers randomly assigned each of those 70 people to play either a violent or a non-violent game for 25 minutes. "We found that the people who were randomly assigned to play the violent game were more aggressive than the people who were assigned to play the non-violent game," said Bartholow. "We measured this by the level of noise blast that our subjects set for a perceived opponent in a competitive task. People who played the violent game set louder noise blasts with their opponent."

If you're wondering what a "noise blast" is, it's a procedure used in studying aggression. Subjects are told that they're going to be competing against another subject in reaction time. The way the game works is that you try to beat your opponent by seeing who can respond most quickly to some stimulus that appears on the computer screen. For example, a yellow square will turn red or green and the first person to hit the button wins. Before the game starts, each opponent is able to choose the level of white noise that will be blasted in the loser's headphones. Players of the violent games almost always jacked up the level of noise they dished on their opponent.

I like that last line because I think scientists are getting it wrong. "Violence" is not punishing your opponent with really loud noises. That's just being competitive and/or being a dick. Winning is better than losing, right? So when the person who won turns up the volume really high on his opponent is now violent? I disagree completely.

What I think is that violent video games attract violent people, not violent video games making violent people. A regular person who doesn't play video games isn't going to instantly like playing a violent video game and then become violent themselves. I do believe that a person who is violent will definitely be turned on by a violent video game, and maybe even scratch his violent side. The difference is that someone who is violent can take it out on a video game instead of, say, his wife or children or pets. I've seen plenty of VIOLENT people who have never touched a video game in their lives, but I've also seen violent people who do play violent (and non-violent) video games. I really don't think by playing a violent game you become violent yourself, but maybe it's more of a way to prevent REAL violence in our world (bullies, thieves, etc.).

Personally speaking, the most violent thing I've ever seen someone do is throw their dog out the window of their car on the highway because he had ROAD RAGE. This man looked like he was 45-50 years old and I would find it hard to believe that he played video games at all. I play violent video games, but I'll be damned if I ever mimic anything I do in a video game (cause you know, I'm smart cookie!). Then again, I rarely get angry at all cause anything that does get me angry usually is never really worth doing anything about it. As with anything in life, it's never so black and white... but more shades of grey.

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Re: New Study on Violent Video games
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2011, 04:10:04 PM »
What always bothers me about these "studies" is the lack of real numbers. I read the article and all they say is "they were more aggressive" and "more of them boosted the sound blast". How many more? Was it all 35 of them and none of the 35 "non-violent" ones? Or was it more like 30-28?

How can you say you conducted a credible survey of any sort if you don't speak in the terms of numbers? I also agree with TMR - that doesn't show how violent a person is at all, it doesn't even show aggressiveness. All it shows is how competitive they are. If you told someone - anyone - that the objective is to win and that they were allowed to use x to help them, how many are gonna be like "nah, fuck that"?


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Re: New Study on Violent Video games
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2011, 07:57:18 PM »
Another recent study I recall reading about found that playing racing or other sports games provoked stronger (I think it was even significantly stronger) emotional and stress responses than playing first-person shooters did.

So should those be banned as well?

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Re: New Study on Violent Video games
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2011, 08:32:26 PM »
Intestingly I see that same sort of behavior when playing sports.

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Re: New Study on Violent Video games
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2011, 10:34:54 PM »
What always bothers me about these "studies" is the lack of real numbers. I read the article and all they say is "they were more aggressive" and "more of them boosted the sound blast". How many more? Was it all 35 of them and none of the 35 "non-violent" ones? Or was it more like 30-28?

How can you say you conducted a credible survey of any sort if you don't speak in the terms of numbers? I also agree with TMR - that doesn't show how violent a person is at all, it doesn't even show aggressiveness. All it shows is how competitive they are. If you told someone - anyone - that the objective is to win and that they were allowed to use x to help them, how many are gonna be like "nah, fuck that"?

Well... the numbers are proof! Just like the proof that more and more kids have ADD/ADHD.

Seriously, it's just an issue of society. We can go outside to watch a public lynching anymore as a family without someone saying it's too violent? I mean, comeon!
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Re: New Study on Violent Video games
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2011, 10:46:38 PM »
"We can go outside to watch a public lynching anymore as a family without someone saying it's too violent?" --Fohfoh

Can or cannot? I'm not being a dick, just clarifying.

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Re: New Study on Violent Video games
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2011, 10:59:08 PM »
"We can go outside to watch a public lynching anymore as a family without someone saying it's too violent?" --Fohfoh

Can or cannot? I'm not being a dick, just clarifying.

Actually, it's can't. But good try anyways.
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Re: New Study on Violent Video games
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2011, 07:15:19 AM »
I can't say I disagree. Playing armchair commando games does get my blood pumping. This isn't the Quake-era anymore, people in games do look like people, talk like people, die like cattle and you still kill like a pro.
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Re: New Study on Violent Video games
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2011, 02:48:35 PM »
"We can go outside to watch a public lynching anymore as a family without someone saying it's too violent?" --Fohfoh

Can or cannot? I'm not being a dick, just clarifying.

Actually, it's can't. But good try anyways.

No I was really not trying to "catch you" or anything. You frequently point out how I am wrong and you don't tend to make that sort of mistake. It was very likely that you meant "can" and with good reason.

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Re: New Study on Violent Video games
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2011, 06:02:40 AM »
In the end they always concluded it inversely, even when the facts are shoved right up their noses.
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Re: New Study on Violent Video games
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2011, 08:19:54 AM »
I always smile when I read new "studies" on video games. They are so silly. They think that violent video games make people violent when they are only half right. There are games that make people violent. They are just looking in a wrong place. Had they conductet a test on, say, Football Manager 2008 they would be close to 100% of boosting violence and then they could show numbers to validate their study. Honest to god, this game is evil. This game will make you want to brutally kill somebody or go on a rampage.

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Re: New Study on Violent Video games
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2011, 11:55:06 AM »
I can't say I disagree. Playing armchair commando games does get my blood pumping. This isn't the Quake-era anymore, people in games do look like people, talk like people, die like cattle and you still kill like a pro.

The question is, however, if that goes beyond your designated play-time. The PURPOSE of all video games is entertainment - to get your "blood pumping". If it stretches beyond your playtime, is that at fault of the game or do you (theoretical you) have a serious problem?


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Re: New Study on Violent Video games
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2011, 12:35:55 PM »
You know what will make me violent?
Chess, Mahjong, and card games.
Especially Mahjong when the guy sitting beside you keeps drawing nice and easy tiles and you end up with broken sets here and there.

And well, to be honest, violent games do get me raging when someone is cheating.
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Re: New Study on Violent Video games
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2011, 12:54:51 PM »
Kids growing up these days are bombarded with realistic shooters, I don't think it's far-fetched that a higher than before percentage of teens are desensitized to violence and death.
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Re: New Study on Violent Video games
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2011, 01:01:46 PM »
Kids growing up these days are bombarded with realistic shooters, I don't think it's far-fetched that a higher than before percentage of teens are desensitized to violence and death.

While I agree with this statement, I question the "blame". These violent games are all clearly labeled as such and are supposed to be closely monitored when sold. I know some stores do card suspiciously young looking individuals who try to purchase M-rated games but not all. Beyond that, parents buy these things for their children - whose fault is that?

Regardless, there should still be a separation in a right-minded individual between real and not. If someone can not distinguish proper behavior between a video-game world and the real world, is that person truly sane? Or were they just not brought up to understand the simple concept of time-and-place?


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Re: New Study on Violent Video games
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2011, 01:09:38 PM »
Kids growing up these days are bombarded with realistic shooters, I don't think it's far-fetched that a higher than before percentage of teens are desensitized to violence and death.

Oh? And who bombards their kids with these realistic shooters? I sure as hell couldn't buy a video game that was rated M until I was 18. Those were the days when I hoped fun shooters would be rated T, but never were. I never nagged my parents to get me those games either (my parents never bought me any games). So when PARENTS are complaining about video games being too violent, I laugh and say "Did you buy those games for them? Oh you did! So YOU'RE to blame for how they are... not society."

Then again, we have freedom of speech and that covers video games. So studies may try to link violent behavior in young people with video games, at the end of the day, the parents are ultimately responsible for what their kids play.


I actually lied about the second sentence... I just had my older brother (who was 20 when I was 14) just get my M rated video games. When I turned 16, I just grew out my beard before a release of an M rated game I wanted. :P

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Re: New Study on Violent Video games
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2011, 01:24:22 PM »
Dumb parents are eager to accept any idiotic study that says they are not responsible for their children's misbehavior.

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Re: New Study on Violent Video games
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2011, 01:34:40 PM »
Dumb parents are eager to accept any idiotic study that says they are not responsible for their children's misbehavior.

I laugh at that statement! Not that I'm laughing at you, but you are so painfully correct that parents are blind to their own control over their kids. So they'll continue to buy the M rated games for their kids and so "Oh, I didn't know!" The rating is right there on cover and on the back, there is no way to miss it.

Then again, developers should never be sued over the content of their games, but the stores who sell kids M rated games should DEFINITELY be sued (cause it will cause problems later down the road with angry misguided parents).

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Re: New Study on Violent Video games
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2011, 08:22:41 PM »
Seems to me that the rating systems should be abolished. Parents don't really care about those ratings until after they have found something objectionable. I feel that kids intentionally buy games rated M because its cool.

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Re: New Study on Violent Video games
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2011, 05:10:31 AM »
I wasn't even fucking allowed to watch "The Simpsons" till I was 13. Fucking kids nowadays in elementary school talking about how their siblings or parents watched Texas Chainsaw massacre and shit with them and it gave them nightmares.

Internet and moronic guardians make kids grow up so fast these days. Yet society still treats them like moronic fucktards. I wonder why they're all getting fucked up...? /rhetoric
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