Author Topic: Help with building a tower (Read 7311 times)

kitamesume · « **Reply #40 on:** June 08, 2011, 01:51:30 AM »

if what amd is saying about bulldozers are correct, we`d be seeing 2module bulldozers at the same price as the phenoms, while they're running 50% faster. so assuming that is the truth.

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while the standing at stock clocks would be:
speed:------- 95% -------------------> 100% --------------> 150%------------------->160%
Proc: Sandy Bridge i3-2100 -->Phenom II X4 955 -->Bulldozer 2Module--> Sandy Bridge i5 2400

that 10ish% difference in performance against the i5 while being 60-80$ cheaper would be a great asset for AMD. but what if they were to be cheaper? yes please

Edit: i wonder if we could unlock them too

Edit2: hah, finally a good review about HD6670.
meet the HD6670

kyubixmunky · « **Reply #41 on:** June 09, 2011, 05:47:00 PM »

there's a sale right now on the amd x4 955 and a cooler master case, So I'll probably buy those 2 this weekend. How are WD caviar green hdd's? There's a 2tb on sale, but I might just wait for a caviar black.

kitamesume · « **Reply #42 on:** June 09, 2011, 10:11:09 PM »

caviar greens... nope, they're much better be used externally. do note though, read the reviews, about a third of it are bad reviews.

+1 caviar black.

ohh so thats why the phenom 955 was so cheap.

btw, if you arent concerned about performance then sure a phenom can be enough, but like i said in the earlier post, if AMD rumors were true, you`d see a 50% faster bulldozer for the same price.

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Freedom Kira · « **Reply #43 on:** June 09, 2011, 10:43:50 PM »

I have a fairly good impression of Caviar Green. However, you must note that they are EARS drives, which use some different kind of formatting (which resulted in these bad reviews that kita mentioned), so you will have to look into that if you intend to utilize the full 2TB (if you ignore it, I think you only get 1.4TB or something). They are also designed to spin down during long idle periods to conserve energy, so their response time is a bit slow at times. Definitely do not use one as a boot drive. Otherwise, for storage that you access infrequently and don't need fast response times for, it's pretty good. 64MB cache is relatively decent, as most HDD caches these days are 32MB or 64MB.

I probably shouldn't recommend a drive I've never used before, but meh. Just want to throw that out there, since I've done a bit of reading on them and most people haven't.

Do read reviews, and pay no heed to those that complain about the lack of space, which take up a good chunk of the bad reviews. As per usual when looking at HDD reviews, also ignore DOA reports and such, as shipping is not always smooth and DOAs will occur here and there no matter how well the drives are packaged.

kitamesume · « **Reply #44 on:** June 09, 2011, 11:19:24 PM »

small tips on how to read the review:
DOA arrivals : pay no attention except if 30% or more of the complains is DOA.
case : the complains you should pay attention to is if motherboard fits and durable. ignore fan complains. psu complains if you're planning to use the included psu. sharp edges is another thing. case flimsiness is abit worrying.
hdd : dead after # of days used. ignore formatted capacity complains, speed complains isnt much an issue.
ram : error complains is a priority. stock speed, including latency settings complains like they wouldnt reach the product spec and instability at stock speed is a priority, capacity complains is another thing. ignore complains about "it wouldnt overclock".
Proc : error and instability at stock speed is a priority. overclocking failure isnt much of an issue. ignore reviews that doesnt make sense.
motherboard : dead after # of days used. RAID complains arent much of an issue. wouldn't boot is abit of a priority unless the cause is negligence.
Video Card : artifacts at stock speed is a priority. cooling complains is another thing. ignore "it wouldn't overclock".
HSF : effectiveness is a priority, leaks on liquid type is a priority. complains about "dead fans" isnt much of an issue.

kyubixmunky · « **Reply #45 on:** June 10, 2011, 12:19:34 AM »

Hmm I guess I will wait for the bulldozer then.

kitamesume · « **Reply #46 on:** June 10, 2011, 04:14:32 AM »

dont mind me about this post, i`m just reposting possibilities.

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UPDATED

[Prices are from newegg] (cheaper option) [SandyBridge I3-2100]
[125$] intel i3-2100
[75$] ASUS P8H61-M LE/CSM (B3)
[85$] G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 CL9 -OR- [85$] Patriot Gamer 2 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 CL9
[100$] MSI R6670-MD1GD5 Radeon HD 6670 1GB 128-bit GDDR5
[65$] SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM (HDD)
[120$] OCZ Agility 2 60GB (SSD)
[35$] XIGMATEK NRP-PC Series ACXTNRP-PC402 400W
[36$] NZXT GAMMA Classic Series GAMA-001BK
SUM : 641$ without rebates.

note: i just realized, G.Skill Sniper 8GB(2x4gb) is worth 120$ on other shops.
ohh yea, there was a limited time sale [100$(was 160$)]OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD2-2VTXE60G 2.5" 60GB ~~too bad they got sold out.~~ ~~ITS BACK IN STOCK.~~ sales over, its back to 125$.
Edit: i loled, click the SSDs on my older posts, its the same SSD. from 160$ original price became 125$ then had a shell shocker sale for 100$.

Freedom Kira · « **Reply #47 on:** June 10, 2011, 06:30:02 AM »

My goodness. You're making this thread hard to read. Spoiler that if you insist on reposting it every three posts, seriously.

kitamesume · « **Reply #48 on:** June 10, 2011, 07:19:35 AM »

oops, sowie

done editing most of the posts.

raandomer · « **Reply #49 on:** June 10, 2011, 11:21:45 AM »

hmmm, i would pay 10 bucks more and get either a 5770 or a gtx460, much better bang for bucks imo.

EDIT: and with the choice between the 955 and 2100:

2100 uses less power
but 955 has way better oc headroom
2100 will perform better for most programs
but the 955 will win out with a multicore program
they're both priced fairly similarly
but amd mobo are cheaper

kitamesume · « **Reply #50 on:** June 10, 2011, 11:59:35 AM »

Quote from: raandomer on June 10, 2011, 11:21:45 AM

hmmm, i would pay 10 bucks more and get either a 5770 or a gtx460, much better bang for bucks imo.

EDIT: and with the choice between the 955 and 2100:
2100 uses less power
but 955 has way better oc headroom
2100 will perform better for most programs
but the 955 will win out with a multicore program
they're both priced fairly similarly
but amd mobo are cheaper

ya forgot i3 has quick sync that can be used even with a discrete gpu via lucid software on H61/H67/Z68 boards.
overclocking the 955 doesnt really give much of a gap against the i3-2100.
the motherboards doesnt have much of a price difference, cheapest AM3(dead end) boards are at 50$ while H61(ivy should be able to run on it according to rumors) boards are at 60$, do note bulldozer needs AM3+ that starts at 65$.
plus he already has his eyes on bulldozer, should be more bang for the buck right? its in between a phenom and a SNB i5 with the price of a phenom.

ohh and have you heard what HD6670 has that the HD5xxx doesnt? meet the HD6670. and its a 70Watts card that idles for as low as 15Watts.
plus this:

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raandomer · « **Reply #51 on:** June 11, 2011, 05:57:07 AM »

Quote from: kitamesume on June 10, 2011, 11:59:35 AM

ohh and have you heard what HD6670 has that the HD5xxx doesnt? meet the HD6670. and its a 70Watts card that idles for as low as 15Watts.

It's an efficient, low powered card, but would you seriously use that for graphics works and/or gaming? No, I doubt anyone would.
Bottom line is that op wants something for anime + gaming + some graphic work. If It was anime only I'd say screw even having a gpu, go with the hd2000 if you really care about power consumption.
For anything that requires a bit of gpu grunt I never go below 5770/460 unless there are specific requirements my client needs.

I dunno about waiting cause there is always new hardware in the horizon, and the fact that bulldozer has been pushed back a few times isnt very promising. Also no matter how much speculation there is about pricing/performance you wont really know until its out.

datora · « **Reply #52 on:** June 11, 2011, 07:15:12 AM »

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- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233160

115 GB SSD for $170 w/ promo code EMCYTZT528 for ~48 hours. It's SATA II, but would still saturate your mobo throughput for all practical purposes for this build.

kitamesume · « **Reply #53 on:** June 11, 2011, 07:25:46 AM »

Quote from: raandomer on June 11, 2011, 05:57:07 AM

Quote from: kitamesume on June 10, 2011, 11:59:35 AM
ohh and have you heard what HD6670 has that the HD5xxx doesnt? meet the HD6670. and its a 70Watts card that idles for as low as 15Watts.
It's an efficient, low powered card, but would you seriously use that for graphics works and/or gaming? No, I doubt anyone would.
Bottom line is that op wants something for anime + gaming + some graphic work. If It was anime only I'd say screw even having a gpu, go with the hd2000 if you really care about power consumption.
For anything that requires a bit of gpu grunt I never go below 5770/460 unless there are specific requirements my client needs.

I dunno about waiting cause there is always new hardware in the horizon, and the fact that bulldozer has been pushed back a few times isnt very promising. Also no matter how much speculation there is about pricing/performance you wont really know until its out.

Open the spoiler for fun.

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the pricing is based on AMD's promise of 50% more performance and the more cores, less cash. and yea true, its pissing me off too, if AMD pushes it by 2 more months, screw waiting and i`ll go buy an SNB i5 instead or maybe i`d just wait for ivy bridge. should be way better than bulldozer.

@datora

meh you missed the 60gb Vertex2 for 100$ sale.
btw your link leads to a 190$ SSD. or do you mean 190$ - 20$(promo code)?

vuzedome · « **Reply #54 on:** June 11, 2011, 09:30:17 AM »

low settings with that much screen, no thanks, seriously, if eyefinity or whatever nvidia calls theirs is your choice, get something beefier.

kitamesume · « **Reply #55 on:** June 11, 2011, 09:37:40 AM »

meh, the HD6670 isnt meant to be a top dog that can crunch ultra res, its a budget card that can game pretty decently. too bad the newly released HD6770 is a rebrand or i`d be suggesting that instead.
ohh yea, i could play crysis @ 1920x1080 on my 9500GT with custom settings, majority was set to medium. average fps was 30

well it was fun testing out how it`ll handle it.

@raandomer
you should start checking out the new releases, the newly released GTX 550 Ti,GTX 560(not the Ti),HD6770 and HD6790 are a nice option too you know.

[175$] EVGA Superclocked 01G-P3-1373-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi)1GB 256-bit GDDR5
[150$] EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1367-TR GeForce GTX 460 SE (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5
[140$] EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1557-KR GeForce GTX 550 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 192-bit GDDR5
[190$] EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1461-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5

[127$] XFX HD-577X-ZNLC Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5
[145$] XFX HD-679X-ZNFC Radeon HD 6790 1GB 256-bit GDDR5
[127$] XFX HD-677X-ZNLC Radeon HD 6770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5

raandomer · « **Reply #56 on:** June 11, 2011, 10:50:00 AM »

Quote from: kitamesume on June 11, 2011, 09:37:40 AM

meh, the HD6670 isnt meant to be a top dog that can crunch ultra res, its a budget card that can game pretty decently. too bad the newly released HD6770 is a fake rebrand or i`d be suggesting that instead.

@raandomer
you should start checking out the new releases, the newly released GTX 550 Ti,GTX 560(not the Ti),HD6770 and HD6790 are a nice option too you know.

[175$] EVGA Superclocked 01G-P3-1373-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi)1GB 256-bit GDDR5
[150$] EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1367-TR GeForce GTX 460 SE (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5
[140$] EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1557-KR GeForce GTX 550 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 192-bit GDDR5
[190$] EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1461-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5

[127$] XFX HD-577X-ZNLC Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5
[145$] XFX HD-679X-ZNFC Radeon HD 6790 1GB 256-bit GDDR5
[127$] XFX HD-677X-ZNLC Radeon HD 6770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5

ok, I'll put it in even simplier terms, for 10 bucks you get 70~100% more performance, what would be your choice?

meh, nothing really interesting in the "new" releases, the only thing that was worth trying was the 6990 xfire with 6970. Damn that combo was a beast, its a shame I had to offload but the vsync tearing was a bit too off putting.

Now back ontrack, if op is in no hurry I guess you can wait it out and hope it gets launched without any hitches.
Also how strict is the budget, cause for 900 i reckon you might be able squeeze in a 2500k coupled with a 6950. I just recently managed to get a 2500k + asrock ext4 + 6950 rig up (though couldnt quite fit an ssd in) for 800 and I'm in australia where all the prices are inflated like no tomorrow.

kitamesume · « **Reply #57 on:** June 12, 2011, 12:42:22 PM »

he wanted:
CPU
MoBo
RAM
GPU
HDD
SSD
CASE
PSU

for strictly under 800$.

considering the SSD is taking about 1/8th of that budget, hes left with 700$ for the other parts.

you want something with meat?
[Prices are from newegg]
[125$] intel i3-2100
[75$] ASUS P8H61-M LE/CSM (B3)
[85$] G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 CL9 -OR- [85$] Patriot Gamer 2 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 CL9
[263$] SAPPHIRE 100312-2SR Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5
[65$] SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM (HDD)
[120$] OCZ Agility 2 60GB (SSD)
[60$] CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 V2 500W
[36$] NZXT GAMMA Classic Series GAMA-001BK
SUM : 829$ without rebates. 789$ after rebate.

datora · « **Reply #58 on:** June 14, 2011, 07:52:44 PM »

.
Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC064MAG-1G1 2.5" 64GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

This just sold out at newegg. It was a Shell Shocker for about 2 hours; normally $145, but they just liquidated their stock on this item @$90 each delivered. Is a spanking fine SSD.

Just a reminder to check newegg front page about three times a day. Usually two deals every day, one morning one evening (U.S. Pacific coast time). But, when one sells out fast, they sometimes put up a third.

[ EDIT: Also on special right now:

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz

available for $119.99 w/ free delivery through 20 June. Promo code: EMCKDJF45 ]

kyubixmunky · « **Reply #59 on:** June 17, 2011, 08:14:53 AM »

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231358&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL061711&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL061711-_-EMC-061711-Index-_-DesktopMemory-_-20231358-L05B

12 gig ripjaws are on sale for $107.99. I'll get these after i deposit some money into the bank this weekend.