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Help with building a tower
« on: June 05, 2011, 05:16:52 AM »
Hello,

This is my first time building a desktop, so suggestions would be appreciated.
I'd prefer this to be under 800$.

AMD Phenom II Black x4 3.4 Ghz

ASUS M4A87TD EVO AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
HITACHI Deskstar 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W Modular High Performance Power Supply

Edit: I was also debating between the Thermaltake TR2 RX 750W power supply, but I'm not sure if 750W might be overkill.

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

I might need to double check on some compatibility issues, but this looks solid. Opinions?

Edit2:

Ok status thus far:

I've bought the 8gb snipers, Cooler master haf 922, and AMD Phenom II X4 970 3.5GHz for my cpu.

My budget is flexible. At this point the parts I've got on my wishlist + the ones I've bought is around $900 instead of the original goal of $800.
 
Things I still need:
Mobo(changed from the one listed above): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131668
Graphics card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127586
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139028
SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227550
HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136792

I'm locked in for the harddrive and just waiting for a deal on it. And whenever a good deal on an SSD comes around I'll get that. I could still use suggestions on the GPU, PSU, and mobo. Chances are I will expand over time. Is that a good motherboard to get? and I don't know if the GPU is crossfirex capable. Since I've only gotten the CPU I don't think I'm locked in on the Radeon, I'm considering swapping the motherboard(since it has a built in HD4250) for an nvidia, unless the crossfirex combo would be better.
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Re: Help with building a tower
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2011, 05:28:08 AM »
so amd and not intel? be specific of what you want first and whats the rig's purpose. i.e. work, gaming, movies or all of them.

CPU: i5-2500k ✔
Motherboard: Asus - SABERTOOTH P67 ✔
RAM: Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8 8GB 1600MHz CL8 DDR3 Vengeance Memory Two Module Kit ✔
GPU: Asus 2GB ATi Radeon 6970 ✔
BOOT: OCZ 120GB SSD Vertex 3 ✔
STORAGE: 1TB Spinpoint F3 HDD ✔
PSU: OCZ Fata1ity 750w semi moduler✔
OS: Windows 7 64 bit OEM
Disk Drive: Samsung?
CASE: Undecided.

this build aims for a 1000$ rig, just cross out some of those stuffs and you may be able to reach 750ish$(i.e. if you arent a multi-gpu person, get a different mobo and either decide on a GTX 560Ti or HD6950[these guys can handle almost anything at 1920x1080p and below])

note: most of the time, the graphics card and the cpu are the ones that eats out your budget, about 1/2 of your budget goes to graphics card and cpu.


i mainly suggest to wait 3more months, bulldozer is coming out soon.

Edit: Ram Patriot 8gb(2x4gb) ddr3 1600 CL9 PGD38G1600ELK G2 series - this is the cheapest 8gb kit i know of, you might want to consider it. starting at 82$ on newegg, though looks like G.Skill is the cheaper choice.
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Re: Help with building a tower
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2011, 06:23:35 AM »
I doubt you can do much better for $800. But yeah, some details on your computer's purpose would be nice.

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Re: Help with building a tower
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2011, 06:44:08 AM »
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be specific of what you want first and whats the rig's purpose. i.e. work, gaming, movies or all of them.

+1, please.  Your intended use will set some requirements and show where some compromises may be possible.  Video encoding and high-end gaming use lots of resources; encoding needs big CPU juice and gaming needs big GPU juice.  How much/how often each also important.  Most everything else will work just fine under modern hardware such as you are looking at; 8 GB RAM is plenty.

Will you be overclocking at all?  You can bump that AMD chip up to 3.8 GHz without breaking a sweat, and you should still be able to get it stable on air-cooling up to ~4.2 GHz (if you wish to push it) and at least ~4.0.  Up to ~3.8 GHz you probably can get by on the stock heat sink + fan, but over that you'll want to budget ~$50-$65 for a CPU cooling block upgrade.  Although, this one looks good for under $30.


Guess while we're at it, please mention which country ..?  If USA, we can assume websites like newegg; otherwise it'll help to know which locality the budget will be spent in.

How fast do you want to do this?  If you have 4-6 or 8 weeks, you can get the parts as they come on special and shave costs down, but you need to check 2 or 3 websites daily and know to buy immediately when you see the Good Deal.  If you need to buy it faster, you can lose ~$100 by missing deals.


So, we'll assume moderate to none video encoding and moderate gaming rather than bleeding edge.  You do not need 750 W PSU.  600-650 W will be plenty.  I don't see a video card, and your ASUS M4A87TD mobo will need one.  Someone else will need to step in on that; I'm not fully researched on video cards right now.  Are you going Windows as your only OS, or do you want linux (also) ..?

One concern I have is the hard drive.  I would not use that drive to install the OS on.  It is fine for a mass storage device, but I'd look to a smaller, more reliable drive to install the OS and all major apps on.  A 500 GB WD Caviar Black can be had for ~$45-$60, depending on specials.  I use the 750 GB version, which recently went for $60 delivered on special.  There's also a 640 GB ... any of these are good, just look for the best price.  The reliability and performance of using these as your OS drive is a serious consideration.  There may still be 320 GB versions floating around, which you might be able to snap up for ~$35-$40.  I use 2 x 750 GB drives, which I perform a complete mirror from one to the other about every 10 days ... that way if anything goes wrong, I just pop in the new drive and I'm running again in ten minutes; all my data is archived, and teh Important Stuff is double archived onto yet another drive.

If the budget can swing it, certainly want an SSD as it would radically improve your overall system speed.  A "smallish" 64 GB drive is actually plenty of room for a full Win 7 install plus all major apps.  You can conserve space on a drive that size by installing many apps that don't require top performance to the 2 TB drive.  Example: don't waste time/money on MS Office .. use Open Office, neither of which require the speed of an SSD and you can save a couple of GB install and work space by placing them on the Hitachi drive.  Same with Photoshop.  If it fits on the SSD, no problems ... but it doesn't require that performance unless you're doing pro level work.


Prices:

~$150: AMD Phenom II Black x4 3.4 Ghz
~$100: ASUS M4A87TD EVO AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
~$70 HITACHI Deskstar 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
~$50 Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case (these go on special often; last week ~$45)
~$50 (after rebate) OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W Modular High Performance Power Supply
~$90 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB)

Now that I looked 'em up, I'd spend the ~$60 on the OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W Modular; for the extra $10 I'd be comfortable with the 700 W as a nice extra reserve, very especially if I want to overclock the CPU and run a more aggressive video card.  Adding more hard drive capacity in the future will also use extra power ... so if you have a 2TB drive and, let's say 2 x 3TB drives more in a year, that 700 W will still be pretty comfortable.

Anyway, we're up to ~$520, plus $30 for the cooling block upgrade: ~$550.

So, ~$250 to play with for a video card, and possibly an SSD.  Watching newegg for SSDs, you could get a 64 GB for ~$100-110 these days, leaving ~$150 for a video card ... and if bleeding edge games are not of great interest, you can do quite well in that range.


Have you considered any other peripherals you need?  Keyboard mouse, extra USB hubs? An extra case fan (esp. if overclocking) ..?  I always recommend budgeting in a substantial surge protector, which can run ~$30 - $50.


I forgot about the OS.  If you're buying an OEM license of Win 7 Home Premium, you'll need to budget ~$100; seen on special for ~$90.  Ultimate of course goes ~$150-$170-ish.  Going that route takes you up into the ~$900-$950 range.
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Re: Help with building a tower
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2011, 08:11:24 AM »
Well I think you guys don't really need to ask.
It's gotta be 1080p anime + gaming.
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Re: Help with building a tower
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2011, 08:42:37 AM »
for reference point, an i3-2100 is in between AMD phenom II x4 840 and AMD phenom II x4 955, an i5-2300(this can be overclocked via turbo mode by up to 3.5ghz) is just right in between AMD Phenom II X6 1055T and AMD Phenom II X6 1075T cpubenchmark - high end cpus.

so i highly suggest to wait for bulldozer, or sure go buy your phenom and be done with it, theres nothing bad about buying an old model, even i bought an LGA775 combo a year ago :D(what? it had a mad deal on it)

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Re: Help with building a tower
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2011, 08:51:35 AM »
Well I think you guys don't really need to ask.
It's gotta be 1080p anime + gaming.

Yeah, really. But yeah, I'm going to be doing some graphic work as well. Some video editing, and photoshop.

edit:


Guess while we're at it, please mention which country ..?  If USA, we can assume websites like newegg; otherwise it'll help to know which locality the budget will be spent in.

How fast do you want to do this?  If you have 4-6 or 8 weeks, you can get the parts as they come on special and shave costs down, but you need to check 2 or 3 websites daily and know to buy immediately when you see the Good Deal.  If you need to buy it faster, you can lose ~$100 by missing deals.


I'm not in a hurry. And I'm not gunna go too crazy with overclocking. 3.8 GHz will probably cut it.
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Re: Help with building a tower
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2011, 08:56:20 AM »
ohh? seriously? then a simple quad(athlon II X4) + HD6670 just fit your requirements, ohh and an SSD is a must for you, you`ll need fast response.

edit: add in the option of getting a phenom II X4 840... but no, seriously, wait for a 2module bulldozer. should be out by september.
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Re: Help with building a tower
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2011, 09:04:27 AM »
ohh? seriously? then a simple quad(athlon II X4) + HD6670 just fit your requirements, ohh and an SSD is a must for you, you`ll need fast response.

edit: add in the option of getting a phenom II X4 840... but no, seriously, wait for a 2module bulldozer. should be out by september.

so should I wait on the bulldozer or add in the HD6670

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Re: Help with building a tower
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2011, 09:07:13 AM »
SSD on that budget?
Maybe a bit later.

What software do you plan on doing your graphics with?
Better find a brand, red or green, that works nicely with it. :P
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Re: Help with building a tower
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2011, 09:11:10 AM »
both, the newly released HD 64xx,65xx,66xx has some nice features. i.e. AMD App Acceleration and UVD3. ohh and this guys could score 200+ on HQV 2.
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if you need references on how decent the HD6670 is, its in between HD5670 and HD5750.

its just a wait till september, 3months imho you got it better than i do, i have to wait till december to get some nice Christmas promo.

note: the HD67xx line is pure rebrand from the HD57xx.
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Re: Help with building a tower
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2011, 09:41:04 AM »
Hello,

This is my first time building a desktop, so suggestions would be appreciated.
I'd prefer this to be under 800$.

AMD Phenom II Black x4 3.4 Ghz
ASUS M4A87TD EVO AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
HITACHI Deskstar 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W Modular High Performance Power Supply

Edit: I was also debating between the Thermaltake TR2 RX 750W power supply, but I'm not sure if 750W might be overkill.

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

I might need to double check on some compatibility issues, but this looks solid. Opinions?

I don't see a video card and if you do get one video card then 600-650 watts should be sufficient. I'd go for 650w just to be safe.

HDD choice not my cup of tea - WD is more reliable (Black Editions for OS operations / gaming / heavy tasks). +1 on the mobo and RAM. As for PSU, go with Corsair.

Edit -- Not an ATI/AMD video card person so I'll stay away from that. If you go with Nvidia, you can go with few choices:

EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1557-KR GeForce GTX 550 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card 150 dollars.

Or

EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1563-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card. 260 dollars (I'm using two of these SLI. Beasts!)

Or

EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1461-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card. 195 dollars. Cheaper model of the SC one with less features.
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Re: Help with building a tower
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2011, 09:56:55 AM »
AMD Phenom II Black x4 3.4 Ghz
This is a 965 if I'm not mistaken. Get the 955 instead. It a better overclocker from what I have read. I have a 955 but I don't overclock.

If you intend to go with AMD, get a board that supports AM3+. It doesn't have to be a 900 series mobo. 900 series is almost the same as the 800 series but with a few tweaks to support bulldozer's features + SLI

As for the PSU, I use a PSU calculator to compute the power requirements. I max out TDP, cap aging and utilization in that calculator then add 50 W more to the result. The result will be more than you need but you'll be able to use that PSU longer (assuming you get a good PSU)
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Re: Help with building a tower
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2011, 10:24:48 AM »
Hmm, for video editing, I think you're gonna want a bit more juice in your processor. You considering Intel at all? Might be a silly question considering your budget.

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Re: Help with building a tower
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2011, 10:59:52 AM »
Hmm, for video editing, I think you're gonna want a bit more juice in your processor. You considering Intel at all? Might be a silly question considering your budget.
2600k is excellent for that.


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Re: Help with building a tower
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2011, 12:30:08 PM »
yea for 400$ for the processor alone *laughs*

i got some good news and some bad news, good news is you dont really need that much of a beefy rig, bad news is you still have to wait =D

considering you wanted to watch anime and game plus doing "some" graphic work as well. "Some" video editing, and photoshop.

which the word "some" i consider as lightly. even a core2duo can edit videos, though slowly but still can edit. graphics work can be handled by almost any pc, heck my school has some BADASS pentium4s and can still do 3d graphics CGI.

for some decent reference:
i3-2100 (is in between AMD phenom II x4 840 and AMD phenom II x4 955 so yea 955 is faster)
HD6670 (is in between HD5670 and HD5750. is in between GT240 and GTS250)
4gb ram 1600mhz CL9

crysis : 1920x1080p med 0xAA settings = 40fps stable(dips to 25fps at some occasion)
metro 2033 : 1920x1080p low 0xAA settings = 30fps stable(dips to 20fps on some occasion)[this monster of a game eats too much fps]
WoW : 1920x1080p med 2xAA settings = 60fps stable(dips to 30fps on some occasion)[i hated wow for being a pay to play game -,-]
CoD4 : 1920x1080p med 2xAA settings = 60fps stable(dips to 40fps on some occasion)
HoN : 1920x1080p med 0xAA settings = 60fps stable(dips to 30fps on some occasion)[say hello to open beta on Garena :D]
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Re: Help with building a tower
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2011, 12:44:20 PM »
yea for 400$ for the processor alone *laughs*

i got some good news and some bad news, good news is you dont really need that much of a beefy rig, bad news is you still have to wait =D

considering you wanted to watch anime and game plus doing "some" graphic work as well. "Some" video editing, and photoshop.

which the word "some" i consider as lightly. even a core2duo can edit videos, though slowly but still can edit. graphics work can be handled by almost any pc, heck my school has some BADASS pentium4s and can still do 3d graphics CGI.

for some decent reference:
i3-2100 (is in between AMD phenom II x4 840 and AMD phenom II x4 955 so yea 955 is faster)
HD6670 (is in between HD5670 and HD5750. is in between GT240 and GTS250)
4gb ram 1600mhz CL9

crysis : 1920x1080p med 0xAA settings = 40fps stable(dips to 25fps at some occasion)
metro 2033 : 1920x1080p low 0xAA settings = 30fps stable(dips to 20fps on some occasion)[this monster of a game eats too much fps]
WoW : 1920x1080p med 2xAA settings = 60fps stable(dips to 30fps on some occasion)[i hated wow for being a pay to play game -,-]
CoD4 : 1920x1080p med 2xAA settings = 60fps stable(dips to 40fps on some occasion)
HoN : 1920x1080p med 0xAA settings = 60fps stable(dips to 30fps on some occasion)[say hello to open beta on Garena :D]
Ah, if he's doing "some" of the heavy tasking applications then yes stick with that AMD processor. If your going to do more than "some" of the heavy tasking applications and you have the budget for it, then invest in the 2600k.

Also, where in the fuck did you get a 400 dollar for the processor alone?! It's around 300 dollars and the money invested is damn worth it.


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Re: Help with building a tower
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2011, 12:47:35 PM »
nah i was just making fun of it for being too expensive, imho wait till they send in the 6cores, gotta be around 500$ each

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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2011, 03:28:19 PM »
Wait a few months. AMD will be coming out with their new line of processors. The price will go down (a bit) on their existing line, and their new ones won't be too expensive, but will be much better.

If you need one now, buy Intel. You get more your your money (which isn't typical, but thats how the market is now).

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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2011, 06:20:15 PM »
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If you want your system by the end of July & are willing to go with what you've already suggested:

Go with the AMD 955 @3.2 GHz.  You can get that up to 3.8 GHz stable on stock air cooling.  So, no cooling block budget, and you can get a 955 for ~$135-$140 by watching for specials.

Adjust my above base estimate down to ~$510.

Now, you can also consider going with 4 GB RAM.  Definitely stay with the 1600, but look for chips with aggressively low timing.  G.Skill is very solid and affordable, and you can get a 4 GB kit for ~$45.  This is plenty, although you might have to pay attention to your OS and make sure you're not running a stupid amount of apps & candy all at the same time.  You can get another 4 GB kit by end of year, or even an 8 GB for a total of either 8 or 12 GB.

Adjust the base system estimate down to ~$470.

You now have ~$330 to distribute across video card, possibly an SSD, or go with a Caviar Black for your OS install drive.  Depending on your needs to purchase an OS (or not) &/or an extra case fan &/or surge protection, you may well come in under $800, maybe as low as $750.


Don't worry about playing 1080 video: this system will eat them alive.

Stuff like Photoshop will be fine, especially if you get the SSD and budget room on it for your work space.

"Some" encoding will work just fine.  Your render times will be longer, but you're not in it for bulk production.  It would help to list the 2 or 3 apps you intend to use for this.

The remaining question is: which games you intend to play/are interested in?  I'm not a gamer, but if you list five of the most resource-intensive games you're interested in, I'm sure other folks can jump in on the video card you'll want to match to them.


As said, you can also just watch the market and new hardware releases for the next 3-4 months and start buying in October.  Almost nothing listed here will apply by then, unless you want to try and get this system for ~$600 or under ...


[ EDIT:  Oh yeah.  PSUs.  Of course there are Antec, Corsair, OCZ & Thermaltake in the top name-brand list.  They're there for a reason, so if you find a good deal on one of them, no reason not to go for it.  However, Cooler Master, CoolMax and even Rosewill are good possibilities.  Just watch the customer feedback on them for your best bets and compare to rebates and sales.  Since you're not going for the bleeding edge in games or dual video cards or 6 drives, you don't have to go with the premium price for a name.  600 W should take care of you just fine, but anything like 630, 650, 680 will add some extra comfort.  The 700 I suggested above is nice if you can get it, but you're getting into over-over-kill range for a system like we're discussing right now. ]
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