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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #100 on: June 18, 2011, 06:06:32 AM »
Thanks for the advice.  Going for two SLI 580s, I'm not that much gaming anyway.  Mostly for folding.

I'm going with an X58 based build with a i7 990, which looks pretty fast.

Now for HDD, 4x 256GB SSD in RAID0 would be good?  I assume they are not going to fail, so RAID0 should be safe.

How hard is water cooling to install?

holy shit a 4xSSD raid0 though which SSD?

not that hard, depends which water cooling you're getting.

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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #101 on: June 18, 2011, 06:10:36 AM »
I don't think you need water cooling unless you're going to overclock those 580's heavily, which you shouldn't need to do if you're not going to use it for heavy gaming.

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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #102 on: June 18, 2011, 06:28:30 AM »
Real water cooling is too hard for you right now so just use stock video card coolers and live with the constant noise due to folding for now. DO NOT pay for those shitty all-in-one kits, they're horrible.

This is a good place to start learning about WC: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?70-Liquid-Cooling

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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #103 on: June 18, 2011, 06:29:23 AM »
didn't you read? he'll be stressing those GPU and CPU because of folding@home, plus, who wouldn't overclock an extreme cpu.

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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #104 on: June 18, 2011, 06:50:47 AM »
Thanks for the advice.  Going for two SLI 580s, I'm not that much gaming anyway.  Mostly for folding.

I'm going with an X58 based build with a i7 990, which looks pretty fast.

Now for HDD, 4x 256GB SSD in RAID0 would be good?  I assume they are not going to fail, so RAID0 should be safe.

How hard is water cooling to install?

Intense SSD setup. Yeah, SSDs typically don't fail, they just wear out or come DOA, so look at reviews before you buy. RAID will wear them out a bit faster, but if you randomly got $4K as a gift I don't think you should care much about that.

OTOH, if you don't get a ridiculous RAID card and just use onboard Intel RAID, your mobo will bottleneck it. Here are my CrystalDiskMark results from running four of these in RAID 0 using Intel RST. Still fairly good results, but not up to its full potential. Also, my startup time feels a bit long compared to my 2.5-year-old laptop with a single one of these in it. It's about 40-some seconds, compared to under 20 seconds. But hey, if you're gonna be running the system 24/7, don't even worry about that.

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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #105 on: June 18, 2011, 07:58:58 AM »
didn't you read? he'll be stressing those GPU and CPU because of folding@home, plus, who wouldn't overclock an extreme cpu.

Who would? You don't need to. As for stressing the GPU and CPU, just get an aftermarket cooler for the CPU if that's a problem. If you get a good one, and your case airflow is good (another topic altogether), it should suffice. GPUs generally do fine on their own.

Folding is a pretty long-term thing anyway. Increasing the clock just makes it go slightly faster. To truly suggest water cooling, I would need a benchmark of how hot the cards will run while folding; otherwise, it's just not necessary. That being said, the rest depends on which monitors you plan to get and what other components you get. If you have money left over, you might as well.

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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #106 on: June 18, 2011, 08:30:04 AM »
Temperature is easy to manage. The problem is noise. Even if you put it in another room it will drive you crazy every time you walk in and start gaming. Not even headphones can down out 2 580s.*


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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #107 on: June 19, 2011, 03:09:59 AM »
okay, I need a RAID card then.

I think I'll just use fan cooling until I get better, then I'll add water cooling.

What should my temp be with fan cooling?  Nothing too dangerous?


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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #108 on: June 19, 2011, 06:34:08 AM »
I'm pretty worried about heat with you, especially since you seemed perfectly calm with having your laptop run at 82°C constantly. Please do try to keep temps to a sane level like <60°C.

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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #109 on: June 19, 2011, 05:38:17 PM »
I'm pretty worried about heat with you, especially since you seemed perfectly calm with having your laptop run at 82°C constantly. Please do try to keep temps to a sane level like <60°C.

I've always thought it was okay running around 80 though?


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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #110 on: June 19, 2011, 11:45:23 PM »
Just because the computer is still stable doesn't mean it's okay. Haven't you read the responses people have given to those temps?

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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #111 on: June 20, 2011, 02:35:26 AM »
For a short while, 80 and above is okay, but in your case, please don't.
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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #112 on: June 20, 2011, 10:50:43 AM »
think about the CPU as your self, and half the cpu heat as your room temperature, would you want to work under 40+c 24/7? 38c is already freaking hot you know.

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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #113 on: June 22, 2011, 05:41:59 PM »
1 x Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 990X 6 Core LGA1366 Gulftown 3.46GHZ 12MB Processor Retail Box
1 x Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H70 High Performance CPU Cooler System LGA775 1366 1156 AM2 AM3
1 x ASUS Rampage III Extreme E-ATX LGA1366 X58 DDR3 4PCI-E16 CrossFire SLI SATA3 USB3.0 Motherboard
1 x Mushkin Enhanced Silverline Stiletto 12GB 3X4GB PC3-10666 DDR3-1333 9-9-9-24 Triple Channel Memory
2 x GeForce GTX 580 772MHZ 1536MB 4GHZ GDDR5 PCI-E Dual DVI-I Mini HDMI
1 x Thermaltake Level 10 GT Black E-ATX Modular Tower Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 5X3.5INT No PS Fr *IR-$20.00*
1 x Antec High Current Pro 1200W 24PIN ATX12V Active PFC 80 Plus Gold SLI Modular Power Supply 80MM Fan
1 x Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 64MB Cache 7200RPM 3.5IN SATA Internal Hard Drive OEM
       Electronics Recycling Fee $0.40 Per Item
1 x LG GH22NS70 Super Multi 22X SATA DVD Writer Black OEM
       Electronics Recycling Fee $0.40 Per Item

YOUR TOTAL: $3,478.20


These parts are compatible, right?  The PSU should be work?

now time to buy ssd
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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #114 on: June 22, 2011, 09:18:58 PM »
Yeah.... now you're going all out.
That looks like a solid build.
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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #115 on: June 22, 2011, 10:47:02 PM »
You had $4k to spend and only grabbed 12GB of RAM for a triple-channel board? o.O

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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #116 on: June 23, 2011, 03:08:20 AM »
fill up your ram slots with 4gbs imho thats a wooping 24gb of ram in total.

plus you havent listed any SSD yet.

btw, why the lvl10? thats seriously overpriced XD

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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #117 on: June 23, 2011, 07:36:51 AM »
You had $4k to spend and only grabbed 12GB of RAM for a triple-channel board? o.O

What is this "triple-channel board" you speak of?

fill up your ram slots with 4gbs imho thats a wooping 24gb of ram in total.

plus you havent listed any SSD yet.

btw, why the lvl10? thats seriously overpriced XD

How many RAM slots does this have?  My laptop only has 2, but I'm guessing this has more than two.

Not sure which SSDs I want.  The OCZ ones look to be of good quality;  I'm running one in my laptop ATM and it's doing well.

I kind of want SLC memory for my SSDs, because I heard that was better.

The level 10 looked cool on the pictures and 250 or so seemed pretty reasonable in comparison to the $1000 processor.


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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #118 on: June 23, 2011, 07:50:26 AM »
X58 boards has 6slots of ram. ohh and i noticed you're getting a DDR3 1333mhz CL9, bad choice, aim for 1600 or higher.

not sure either on which brand for the SSD, only SSD i have used is OCZ Agility 1.

if i remember correctly, SLC and MLC hardly has any difference now a days in performance.

Lvl10 looks cool, but waaay overpriced, look at spoiler for more info.


ohh yea, a true raid setup would cost about another 1,000$ or more, HDDs and SSDs alone would cost that much.
[540$](2x270$)[RAID-1 or RAID-0] OCZ Vertex 3 VTX3-25SAT3-120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III (SSD)
[900$](6x150$)[RAID-1+0 or RAID-0] Western Digital Caviar Black WD2002FAEX 2TB 7200 RPM SATA III (HDD)
SUM : 1440$ without rebates.
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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #119 on: June 23, 2011, 01:47:44 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but RAM clocks don't make that big of a difference compared to the rest of your components (most places I've read about it say it's quite insignificant). He should be quite fine with the 1333mhz RAM, if he desires. Of course, if you want to overspend, be my guest.

My problem is that you haven't even considered monitors or SSDs and you're currently $521.80 away from your budget limit. To me this is a pathetic waste of 4k.

Good monitors (note: good, not that shit you see advertising itself as good for like 1xx dollars) run you a decent chunk. Even if you're telling me you're mostly using it for folding, when you DO want to game, you want to game on a GOOD monitor (or monitors, in your case). It makes quite a big difference. I'm running on a decent monitor that cost me 210 dollars, but this thing was refurbished, and at this price it was somewhat of a steal (2-3 dead pixels, too, not that it makes much of a difference). However, the difference was instantly noticeable. I'm looking at it side by side with my previous monitor, and the color differences are obvious.

I think a bit of rethinking on whether some of the more expensive components are necessary is in order. Processor, fine. You want to futureproof it. Motherboard... maybe look for slightly cheaper alternatives; the question is whether you'll need some of the things more expensive boards offer. I also don't see why you're getting such an expensive CPU cooler... but that's not that big of a price. Your graphics solution... fine. Now, the case... I must wonder if you can get something that's cheaper than that. Even for a computer of your caliber, something 100 dollars cheaper should suffice, imo. I'm not asking you to get a 50 dollar solution like I did (which works perfectly fine, by the way; I have 5 hard drives in it and everything is working harmoniously), but consider something more reasonable. Your first priority should be things that directly affect your computer performance; you can MAKE almost any case work.

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