Author Topic: So I'm going to buy a new computer... (Read 7527 times)

raandomer · « **Reply #140 on:** June 26, 2011, 12:28:45 AM »

there's still no eta yet so its just a vague "it launches in a couple of months"
and again i wont make any comments on performance until i can atleast see the bloody chip

and those with 1 slot arent raid cards, theyre just sata3 cards

kitamesume · « **Reply #141 on:** June 26, 2011, 12:55:07 AM »

the pricing is out so it should be technically released but yet to be retailed, most likely to be out before july finishes, ETA of the 4cores and 6cores is before September finishes(Q3 2011). they promised a faster chip than phenom II x6 so that would mean they're on tier with the i7 6cores, hopefully.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_FX_microprocessors

Freedom Kira · « **Reply #142 on:** June 26, 2011, 04:31:13 AM »

Quote from: kitamesume on June 25, 2011, 11:53:24 AM

... ohh and whats the point of a raid card with only two sata slots... i could even see some with only 1sata slot...

Why would you want to do RAID 1 with more than two drives? It doesn't make sense. Unless you're using drives that are very prone to failure, which is a terrible excuse because you shouldn't use those drives in that case anyway.

Two-slot cards offer cost vs. value benefits to customers who only want one mirror.

tomoya-kun · « **Reply #143 on:** June 26, 2011, 07:42:52 AM »

Waiting for parts to come. It'll take a while unfortunately since I don't want them to ship separately and some of the ones are out of stock.

I've got a 5 disk external RAID which I put my animestuffs on.

kitamesume · « **Reply #144 on:** June 26, 2011, 02:45:43 PM »

@ kira, for raid1, true, but other raid benefit for more drives. like raid0, raid5(minimum of 3drives) raid1+0/0+1 and others.

i know 2slots is enough for a basic raid setup but what i meant is that, vs onboard raid, which is free, its pretty much a waste of PCI-E slot because most cheap raid-card uses software raid and/or a hybrid of hardware and software raid.

Freedom Kira · « **Reply #145 on:** June 27, 2011, 01:01:04 AM »

Quote from: kitamesume on June 26, 2011, 02:45:43 PM

@ kira, for raid1, true, but other raid benefit for more drives. like raid0, raid5(minimum of 3drives) raid1+0/0+1 and others.

i know 2slots is enough for a basic raid setup but what i meant is that, vs onboard raid, which is free, its pretty much a waste of PCI-E slot because most cheap raid-card uses software raid and/or a hybrid of hardware and software raid.

... Obviously you would not buy that RAID card if you have onboard RAID. They're for people who want a cheap 2-disk hardware RAID system who don't have any kind of onboard RAID capability and who prefer hardware-based RAID.

Late edit:

Quote from: kitamesume on June 26, 2011, 02:45:43 PM

@ kira, for raid1, true, but other raid benefit for more drives. like raid0, raid5(minimum of 3drives) raid1+0/0+1 and others.

The minimum for RAID 5 is actually 2 drives. It just becomes identical to a RAID 1 array. Because of how RAID 5 works, you can technically build an array with two drives.

kitamesume · « **Reply #146 on:** June 27, 2011, 07:10:13 AM »

+1, makes sense.

Quote from: tomoya-kun on June 26, 2011, 07:42:52 AM

Waiting for parts to come. It'll take a while unfortunately since I don't want them to ship separately and some of the ones are out of stock.

I've got a 5 disk external RAID which I put my animestuffs on.

what build do you have in mind anyway...

if you can wait till december(for the Christmas discount!), then you might be able to get some of the new arrivals, rumors says that the GTX6xx series's and the 6core sandybridge's ETA is around november.

tomoya-kun · « **Reply #147 on:** July 08, 2011, 04:23:25 AM »

Done building. Also installed a Corsair H70 for cooling purposes.

It works well, but a couple problems. Only 8Gb ram is recognized.

How do I overlclock my 970, I'm aware it's locked but you can still change the clocks I hear.

kitamesume · « **Reply #148 on:** July 08, 2011, 04:42:07 AM »

Quote from: tomoya-kun on July 08, 2011, 04:23:25 AM

Done building. Also installed a Corsair H70 for cooling purposes.

It works well, but a couple problems. Only 8Gb ram is recognized.

How do I overlclock my 970, I'm aware it's locked but you can still change the clocks I hear.

up the QPI and tune the cpu multiplier, either higher or lower.

firstly though find the max QPI the motherboard supports.
leave your core voltage on auto for now, lower the cpu multiplier to its minimum and crank the QPI up until it crashes, step 10mhz down and thats usually your stable BLCK.
if you get the max QPI, thats the time you start cranking the CPU multiplier up until it crashes, usually you`d get about 4-4.5 ghz on those i7s.
now this is the tricky part, lower the core voltage little by little after you got your desired overclock, use a benchmark or something to stress the cpu, once you get a crash, back it up by two nots, that would be your core voltage.

i suggest you settle on below 4.5ghz though, you could get it up to 5ghz with your liquid cooling if you tinkered it abit but thats just silly.

tomoya-kun · « **Reply #149 on:** July 08, 2011, 06:12:02 AM »

Quote from: kitamesume on July 08, 2011, 04:42:07 AM

Quote from: tomoya-kun on July 08, 2011, 04:23:25 AM
Done building. Also installed a Corsair H70 for cooling purposes.

It works well, but a couple problems. Only 8Gb ram is recognized.

How do I overlclock my 970, I'm aware it's locked but you can still change the clocks I hear.

up the QPI and tune the cpu multiplier, either higher or lower.

firstly though find the max QPI the motherboard supports.
leave your core voltage on auto for now, lower the cpu multiplier to its minimum and crank the QPI up until it crashes, step 10mhz down and thats usually your stable BLCK.
if you get the max QPI, thats the time you start cranking the CPU multiplier up until it crashes, usually you`d get about 4-4.5 ghz on those i7s.
now this is the tricky part, lower the core voltage little by little after you got your desired overclock, use a benchmark or something to stress the cpu, once you get a crash, back it up by two nots, that would be your core voltage.

i suggest you settle on below 4.5ghz though, you could get it up to 5ghz with your liquid cooling if you tinkered it abit but thats just silly.

What is the best way to test for performance increase, and what app can I use to monitor temperatures?

What's safe, around 80 for GFX and 90 for processor?

This corsair H7 seems to be good though, CPU temps stable in the 50s during full load.

bloody000 · « **Reply #150 on:** July 08, 2011, 06:34:31 AM »

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/1872/Real_Temp_3.60.html
for temperature.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?197835-IntelBurnTest-The-new-stress-testing-program
It's a stress test program. When you run it take note of the GFLOP numbers. It's not representative of real world workloads of course.
Or you can just fold and see how the PPD changes(not reliable).

Try to stay under 75 for CPU and 90 for GPU. Intel wants you to stay below 1.375V for this 32nm chip, try not to get over 1.4 for 24/7 OC.

tomoya-kun · « **Reply #151 on:** July 09, 2011, 05:31:04 AM »

Also, what's BLCK? I increase that to 160 and set multiplier to 25 for 4.0ghz, but my cooling can't seem to handle the clocks. Under full load, it's hovering around 77-82 with 6core folding.

kitamesume · « **Reply #152 on:** July 09, 2011, 06:53:41 AM »

Quote from: tomoya-kun on July 09, 2011, 05:31:04 AM

Also, what's BLCK? I increase that to 160 and set multiplier to 25 for 4.0ghz, but my cooling can't seem to handle the clocks. Under full load, it's hovering around 77-82 with 6core folding.

BLCK / FSB / QPI is your working bus speed.

wait, LOL failure of a liquid cooling... nasty, resit your liquid cooler and correctly apply the thermal paste evenly AND as thin as possible. i`ve seen air cooling do better imho XD whats your ambient temperature?

at least it booted imho.

vuzedome · « **Reply #153 on:** July 09, 2011, 08:05:42 PM »

Those temps look normal enough to me.
The H70 is never really a DECENT liquid cooler.

kitamesume · « **Reply #154 on:** July 09, 2011, 11:22:06 PM »

but but, it should've been at least on par with those pretty air coolers with like 8 heatpipes and so on.

tomoya-kun · « **Reply #155 on:** July 10, 2011, 04:08:14 AM »

Quote from: kitamesume on July 09, 2011, 06:53:41 AM

Quote from: tomoya-kun on July 09, 2011, 05:31:04 AM
Also, what's BLCK? I increase that to 160 and set multiplier to 25 for 4.0ghz, but my cooling can't seem to handle the clocks. Under full load, it's hovering around 77-82 with 6core folding.

BLCK / FSB / QPI is your working bus speed.

wait, LOL failure of a liquid cooling... nasty, resit your liquid cooler and correctly apply the thermal paste evenly AND as thin as possible. i`ve seen air cooling do better imho XD whats your ambient temperature?

at least it booted imho.

It's around 50c while playing crysis, it only reaches 70+ when running 8 instances of folding@home which runs the CPU and GPU to full load.

I turned down the clocks a little, seems to make a big difference with temperature with slight changes.

At 3.8 it runs at 69 and at 4.2 it runs at 77

kitamesume · « **Reply #156 on:** July 10, 2011, 10:57:36 AM »

then 4.0 should do fine, hell for a 6core thats still insane.

zat0x91 · « **Reply #157 on:** July 10, 2011, 04:46:14 PM »

lol @ you buying a Corsair H70 when the Thermalright Silver Arrow outperforms it and is more quiet.

Protip: All watercooling kits blow. Unless it's contains pretty much all the same components as you would in a full custom kit; Sidewinder Computers sells them I think.

tomoya-kun · « **Reply #158 on:** July 11, 2011, 04:20:06 AM »

Quote from: zat0x91 on July 10, 2011, 04:46:14 PM

lol @ you buying a Corsair H70 when the Thermalright Silver Arrow outperforms it and is more quiet.

Protip: All watercooling kits blow. Unless it's contains pretty much all the same components as you would in a full custom kit; Sidewinder Computers sells them I think.

So air cooling is actually better? I was assuming that the stock heatsink fan was really bad.

What's safe temps for GPU and CPU then, 80-90 is bad or okay?

kitamesume · « **Reply #159 on:** July 11, 2011, 07:21:30 AM »

CPU 80c
GPU 100c
these are borderline safe-dangerous.

CPU 75c
GPU 90c
these are your aimed max during a 100% full load, lower is better though.

no, your water kit is fine, though they're saying that it's worth is overly exaggerated, building a water kit from scratch is the way to go water cooling.