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So I'm going to buy a new computer...
tomoya-kun:
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--- Quote from: tomoya-kun on June 13, 2011, 04:42:19 AM ---
--- Quote from: NaRu on June 13, 2011, 04:21:36 AM ---I have to ask. What are you looking for in a PC?
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Gaming performance / folding at home dedicated machine.
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1. Stop thinking in terms of money like a MacTard. Nothing against Apple, but don't compare prices. That's Apples and PCs. One is stupid pricing, the other isn't. You're adding like a 20-30% premium on hardware because of the OS... Fuck.
2. Don't go for some high end rig if you go desktop. (I think a laptop is worth playing money on a high end rig if you bleed money like a monkey)
3. For $4000 you can literally build a workstation rather than a desktop. I'm talking $300-500, Dual CPUs and crazy shit like that. If your desktop costs that much... you either overpaid like a moron, or bought a Mac. You should be able to build 2 decent servers for $4000. Even at 1500-2000 that's HIGH end.
Asking superior on X58 and P67 afaik is like asking whether a car runs better with cloth or leather seats. Of course, certain things must be different for either or, but it's really more in the realm of preference. But I don't know the tech difference between the two, so my opinion is a little invalid.
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Macs were never mentioned, I'm not sure why that had to be brought up.
I am just asking a question because I'm rather inexperienced in this field.
Because, not knowing exactly what the difference is, I assumed once must be better than the other.
fohfoh:
And I'm telling you that your prior experience with Mac hardware pricing is no longer valid.
Mainly because of the idea of $4000 on a computer... is like... holy shit lots of money batman! A more "serious" wager is more in the realm of $2000-2500 including a damn good monitor. Maybe another $500 on random goodies like mouse, keyboard, sound system etc.
Just telling you this for your own good before you run out and buy an HP blackbird for 3k and add a few hundred bucks on upgrades, or do the same with an Alienware desktop. A true performance desktop for what you need it for should not even exceed 2k. I bought a Dell (for the company, they REFUSED to allow me to build my own) for 1.4k about 2-3 years ago sporting a nice i7 processor. No way that you should need to spend twice that amount today to find something powerful enough for gaming.
NaRu:
Lets say you spent $500 for a desktop. If you spend $800 instead for parts it will make a big difference in performance. If you spend $2000 for a desktop spending $4000 instead for parts wont make a huge difference. Get higher end i7 CPU and 8GB of ram (anything over 8GB will not give you any performance improvements) Spend the extra cash for the GPU and SSD.
If you want to do gaming and folding at home you are better off building 2 rigs. One for games and one for folding at home. Get decent parts for the gaming rig and get server parts for folding at home.
kitamesume:
--- Quote from: tomoya-kun on June 13, 2011, 03:10:53 AM ---So I'm still confused. Which is outright superior, X58 or P67?
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--- Quote from: kitamesume on June 12, 2011, 04:48:19 PM ---if you plan an X58 system, then you might as well get a hexa-core i7-990X(999$ imho LOL cheaper by 50$ vs 980X) and bump 6x4gb ram. plus 1000watts wont be enough anymore with that system + 2xHD6970. top it off with 2x128gb SSD SATAIII raid-1(or raid-0)
[560$]ASUS Rampage III Black Edition LGA 1366 Intel X58 pair it with this guy.
currently the i7-990X takes the fastest desktop processor title. which is a X58 setup.
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make your choice.
--- Quote from: kitamesume on June 13, 2011, 01:34:15 AM --- (click to show/hide)
--- Quote from: kitamesume on June 12, 2011, 04:48:19 PM ---[Prices are from newegg]
[1,000$]Intel Core i7-990X Extreme Edition Gulftown 3.46GHz 6 x 256KB L2 Cache 12MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Six-Core
[560$]ASUS Rampage III Black Edition LGA 1366 Intel X58
[450$](3x150$) G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 CL7
[774$](2x387$) ASUS EAH6970 Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-bit GDDR5
[300$](2x150$)[RAID-1 or RAID-0] Western Digital Caviar Black WD2002FAEX 2TB 7200 RPM SATA III (HDD)
[540$](2x270$)[RAID-1 or RAID-0] OCZ Vertex 3 VTX3-25SAT3-120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III (SSD)
[220$] Antec TPQ-1200 1200W Continuous Power with PowerCache Technology
[190$] COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Case
SUM : 4034$ without rebates.
want to consider two GTX580?
[1,200$](2x600$) MSI N580GTX Lightning Xtreme Edition GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 3072MB 384-bit GDDR5
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lol OR
--- Quote from: kitamesume on June 11, 2011, 06:27:44 AM ---
[Prices are from newegg]
[315$] intel i7-2600K
[400$] MSI Big Bang-Marshal (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 (B3) & Lucid LT22102
[300$](2x150$) G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 CL7
[774$](2x387$) ASUS EAH6970 Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-bit GDDR5
[300$](2x150$)[RAID-1 or RAID-0] Western Digital Caviar Black WD2002FAEX 2TB 7200 RPM SATA III (HDD)
[540$](2x270$)[RAID-1 or RAID-0] OCZ Vertex 3 VTX3-25SAT3-120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III (SSD)
[170$] CORSAIR Professional Series AX750 750W
[190$] COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Case
SUM : 2989$ without rebates.
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i`d pick the latter and get 3 widescreen monitors and set them to eyefinity on portrait mode :D
or this.
(click to show/hide)[Prices are from newegg]
[225$] intel i5-2500K
[210$] ASUS SABERTOOTH P67 (REV 3.0)
[300$](2x150$) G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 CL7
[774$](2x387$) ASUS EAH6970 Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-bit GDDR5
[300$](2x150$)[RAID-1 or RAID-0] Western Digital Caviar Black WD2002FAEX 2TB 7200 RPM SATA III (HDD)
[540$](2x270$)[RAID-1 or RAID-0] OCZ Vertex 3 VTX3-25SAT3-120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III (SSD)
[170$] CORSAIR Professional Series AX750 750W
[190$] COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Case
SUM : 2709$ without rebates.
note: notice the parts, SSD 540$ 2x120gb Vertex3 || GPU 774$ 2xHD6970 || HDD 300$ 2xWD black 2TB already sums to 1.6k.
lets say i dont get a pair of everything.
(click to show/hide)[Prices are from newegg]
[225$] intel i5-2500K
[210$] ASUS SABERTOOTH P67 (REV 3.0)
[300$](2x150$) G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 CL7
[387$] ASUS EAH6970 Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-bit GDDR5
[150$] Western Digital Caviar Black WD2002FAEX 2TB 7200 RPM SATA III (HDD)
[270$] OCZ Vertex 3 VTX3-25SAT3-120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III (SSD)
[170$] CORSAIR Professional Series AX750 750W
[190$] COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Case
SUM : 1902$ without rebates.still is a damn 1.9k rig.
the only thing i can think of that'll make this kind of setup go under 1.5k is having only 8gb of ram, switching to a more cheaper case and getting an HD6950 instead.
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zat0x91:
Fuck.
Just do a $2000 build and spend the rest on a 30" monitor and the rest on a home theater audio setup (speakers, amplifier, sub woofer, etc..) or get a RAID card and RAID 0 the SSDs for your boot drive and get a RAID 5 going for your storage. Overkill, but yeah for $4000, why not.
@ 2k build
- The case is ricer plastic shit. For that price get a nice aluminum full tower Lian Li.
- Get an XFX video card because of the lifetime warranty and better support. Plus your warranty isn't voided if you remove the stock cooler.
- Don't bother with a dual-gpu video card. Have fun when you play a game that doesn't take advantage of SLI or Crossfire.
- Sabertooth is overrated (the thermal armor doesn't work) - get a cheaper ASUS board and put the money into a better CPU.
- Consider adding a quality CPU heatsink either from Noctua or Thermalright - it's cooler, quieter, and you have the ability to overclock in the future.
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