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Offline tomoya-kun

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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2011, 05:15:03 AM »
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Quote from: tomoya-kun on June 13, 2011, 04:42:19 AM
Quote from: NaRu on June 13, 2011, 04:21:36 AM
I have to ask. What are you looking for in a PC?

Gaming performance / folding at home dedicated machine.

1. Stop thinking in terms of money like a MacTard. Nothing against Apple, but don't compare prices. That's Apples and PCs. One is stupid pricing, the other isn't. You're adding like a 20-30% premium on hardware because of the OS... Fuck.
2. Don't go for some high end rig if you go desktop. (I think a laptop is worth playing money on a high end rig if you bleed money like a monkey)
3. For $4000 you can literally build a workstation rather than a desktop. I'm talking $300-500, Dual CPUs and crazy shit like that. If your desktop costs that much... you either overpaid like a moron, or bought a Mac. You should be able to build 2 decent servers for $4000. Even at 1500-2000 that's HIGH end.

Asking superior on X58 and P67 afaik is like asking whether a car runs better with cloth or leather seats. Of course, certain things must be different for either or, but it's really more in the realm of preference. But I don't know the tech difference between the two, so my opinion is a little invalid.

Macs were never mentioned, I'm not sure why that had to be brought up.

I am just asking a question because I'm rather inexperienced in this field. 

Because, not knowing exactly what the difference is, I assumed once must be better than the other.
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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2011, 05:59:28 AM »
And I'm telling you that your prior experience with Mac hardware pricing is no longer valid.

Mainly because of the idea of $4000 on a computer... is like... holy shit lots of money batman! A more "serious" wager is more in the realm of $2000-2500 including a damn good monitor. Maybe another $500 on random goodies like mouse, keyboard, sound system etc.

Just telling you this for your own good before you run out and buy an HP blackbird for 3k and add a few hundred bucks on upgrades, or do the same with an Alienware desktop. A true performance desktop for what you need it for should not even exceed 2k. I bought a Dell (for the company, they REFUSED to allow me to build my own) for 1.4k about 2-3 years ago sporting a nice i7 processor. No way that you should need to spend twice that amount today to find something powerful enough for gaming.
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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2011, 06:40:12 AM »
Lets say you spent $500 for a desktop. If you spend $800 instead for parts it will make a big difference in performance. If you spend $2000 for a desktop spending $4000 instead for parts wont make a huge difference. Get higher end i7 CPU and 8GB of ram (anything over 8GB will not give you any performance improvements) Spend the extra cash for the GPU and SSD.

If you want to do gaming and folding at home you are better off building 2 rigs. One for games and one for folding at home. Get decent parts for the gaming rig and get server parts for folding at home.
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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2011, 06:54:58 AM »
Quote from: tomoya-kun on June 13, 2011, 03:10:53 AM
So I'm still confused.  Which is outright superior, X58 or P67?

Quote from: kitamesume on June 12, 2011, 04:48:19 PM
if you plan an X58 system, then you might as well get a hexa-core i7-990X(999$ imho LOL cheaper by 50$ vs 980X) and bump 6x4gb ram. plus 1000watts wont be enough anymore with that system + 2xHD6970. top it off with 2x128gb SSD SATAIII raid-1(or raid-0)

[560$]ASUS Rampage III Black Edition LGA 1366 Intel X58 pair it with this guy.

currently the i7-990X takes the fastest desktop processor title. which is a X58 setup.

make your choice.
Quote from: kitamesume on June 13, 2011, 01:34:15 AM
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i`d pick the latter and get 3 widescreen monitors and set them to eyefinity on portrait mode :D

or this.
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note: notice the parts, SSD 540$ 2x120gb Vertex3 || GPU 774$ 2xHD6970 || HDD 300$ 2xWD black 2TB already sums to 1.6k.

lets say i dont get a pair of everything.
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still is a damn 1.9k rig.

the only thing i can think of that'll make this kind of setup go under 1.5k is having only 8gb of ram, switching to a more cheaper case and getting an HD6950 instead.
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Offline zat0x91

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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2011, 08:32:43 AM »
Fuck.

Just do a $2000 build and spend the rest on a 30" monitor and the rest on a home theater audio setup (speakers, amplifier, sub woofer, etc..) or get a RAID card and RAID 0 the SSDs for your boot drive and get a RAID 5 going for your storage.  Overkill, but yeah for $4000, why not.

@ 2k build

- The case is ricer plastic shit.  For that price get a nice aluminum full tower Lian Li.
- Get an XFX video card because of the lifetime warranty and better support.  Plus your warranty isn't voided if you remove the stock cooler.
- Don't bother with a dual-gpu video card.  Have fun when you play a game that doesn't take advantage of SLI or Crossfire.
- Sabertooth is overrated (the thermal armor doesn't work) - get a cheaper ASUS board and put the money into a better CPU.
- Consider adding a quality CPU heatsink either from Noctua or Thermalright - it's cooler, quieter, and you have the ability to overclock in the future.
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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #45 on: June 13, 2011, 09:48:31 AM »
I blew 500CAD on water cooling. then 200 on a sound card. 300 on a pair of headphones. 100 for a keyboard. 70 for a mouse. 400 for a cheap IPS display. oh, and just over 300 for a case.

It's easy to spend money on a computer, you just have to frequent tech forums more.

On a side note, you should also look into photography if you're interested in burning cash.
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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #46 on: June 13, 2011, 09:51:04 AM »
Quote from: zat0x91 on June 13, 2011, 08:32:43 AM
Fuck.

Just do a $2000 build and spend the rest on a 30" monitor and the rest on a home theater audio setup (speakers, amplifier, sub woofer, etc..) or get a RAID card and RAID 0 the SSDs for your boot drive and get a RAID 5 going for your storage.  Overkill, but yeah for $4000, why not.

@ 2k build

- The case is ricer plastic shit.  For that price get a nice aluminum full tower Lian Li.
- Get an XFX video card because of the lifetime warranty and better support.  Plus your warranty isn't voided if you remove the stock cooler.
- Don't bother with a dual-gpu video card.  Have fun when you play a game that doesn't take advantage of SLI or Crossfire.
- Sabertooth is overrated (the thermal armor doesn't work) - get a cheaper ASUS board and put the money into a better CPU.
- Consider adding a quality CPU heatsink either from Noctua or Thermalright - it's cooler, quieter, and you have the ability to overclock in the future.


lets try building what you're trying to point at.

[Prices are from newegg]
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Lian-Li aluminum full tower case ✔
XFX Single HD6970 ✔
cheaper asus mobo ✔
no HSF yet.

woot, 2k rig.

add in Raid hdds/ssds: no card yet.
[Prices are from newegg]
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BUT still, i`d prefer this setup:
[Prices are from newegg]
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imho 4TB of space on your main computer should be enough, storage should be made externally via NAS box.
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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #47 on: June 13, 2011, 02:39:41 PM »
Quote from: kitamesume on June 13, 2011, 06:54:58 AM
Quote from: tomoya-kun on June 13, 2011, 03:10:53 AM
So I'm still confused.  Which is outright superior, X58 or P67?

Quote from: kitamesume on June 12, 2011, 04:48:19 PM
if you plan an X58 system, then you might as well get a hexa-core i7-990X(999$ imho LOL cheaper by 50$ vs 980X) and bump 6x4gb ram. plus 1000watts wont be enough anymore with that system + 2xHD6970. top it off with 2x128gb SSD SATAIII raid-1(or raid-0)

[560$]ASUS Rampage III Black Edition LGA 1366 Intel X58 pair it with this guy.

currently the i7-990X takes the fastest desktop processor title. which is a X58 setup.

make your choice.
Quote from: kitamesume on June 13, 2011, 01:34:15 AM
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i`d pick the latter and get 3 widescreen monitors and set them to eyefinity on portrait mode :D

or this.
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note: notice the parts, SSD 540$ 2x120gb Vertex3 || GPU 774$ 2xHD6970 || HDD 300$ 2xWD black 2TB already sums to 1.6k.

lets say i dont get a pair of everything.
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still is a damn 1.9k rig.

the only thing i can think of that'll make this kind of setup go under 1.5k is having only 8gb of ram, switching to a more cheaper case and getting an HD6950 instead.

I'll probably do an X58 one then.  That processor looks nice.

Quote from: fohfoh on June 13, 2011, 05:59:28 AM
And I'm telling you that your prior experience with Mac hardware pricing is no longer valid.

Mainly because of the idea of $4000 on a computer... is like... holy shit lots of money batman! A more "serious" wager is more in the realm of $2000-2500 including a damn good monitor. Maybe another $500 on random goodies like mouse, keyboard, sound system etc.

Just telling you this for your own good before you run out and buy an HP blackbird for 3k and add a few hundred bucks on upgrades, or do the same with an Alienware desktop. A true performance desktop for what you need it for should not even exceed 2k. I bought a Dell (for the company, they REFUSED to allow me to build my own) for 1.4k about 2-3 years ago sporting a nice i7 processor. No way that you should need to spend twice that amount today to find something powerful enough for gaming.

I don't care about the money.  It's not like I can save the money; I get a one time "gift" for 4k.
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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #48 on: June 13, 2011, 06:17:06 PM »
You should give me $1k of it. $3K will still get you one heck of a machine. The 1K would get me a decent NAS/server, which I kinda need to get soon.
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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #49 on: June 13, 2011, 07:10:47 PM »
Crossfire is fucking stupid unless you're running multiple 1080p+ resolutions.  I'm currently running on 2560x1600 with a 5850 and I can run most games on 4x AA and a few with 2x AA with acceptable FPS.

Stay with only one video card.

You also could have added a ~$90 cooler from Thermalright and it'd still be under 2k.

Since you have to spend all of that 4k - buy a Dell u3011, new mechanical keyboard, pair of headphones, headphone amplifier, and a DAC.
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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #50 on: June 13, 2011, 11:38:58 PM »
Quote from: zat0x91 on June 13, 2011, 07:10:47 PM
Crossfire is fucking stupid unless you're running multiple 1080p+ resolutions.  I'm currently running on 2560x1600 with a 5850 and I can run most games on 4x AA and a few with 2x AA with acceptable FPS.

Stay with only one video card.

You also could have added a ~$90 cooler from Thermalright and it'd still be under 2k.

Since you have to spend all of that 4k - buy a Dell u3011, new mechanical keyboard, pair of headphones, headphone amplifier, and a DAC.

think this way, he has three 2560x1600 monitors up.
he wants to play at 16xAA and 16xAF at extreme settings.
he wants to pop his eyes with beauty and magnificence.
he wants no less than 60FPS.

makes more sense to waste a ton of cash right?
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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #51 on: June 14, 2011, 12:24:22 AM »
Fine, I'll lessen the tone of my comment.

But seriously, you've made your decision now. But like most of us are saying, 2 computers is likely far better than just getting 1. In the situation where you really must run a $4000 bill on a computer, well. Build your own and don't go prebuilt. And/or, spend a shitload of money on computer accessories.
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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2011, 02:48:36 AM »
Three 30" monitors would cost at least $2,500 and that's if you manged to find them used for $700 each - assuming they're 3007s.  Realistically, you're not going to find three of those for that price.

Go ahead and Crossfire multiple cards if you're feeling like putting on 16x AA which is ridiculous, but okay.  People play console games with ZERO AA and yet they don't complain.  I find that insane but anything over 4x I wouldn't notice too much.




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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2011, 02:56:38 AM »
bah, i myself am fine running crysis on a HD6670 at 1080p, set to med-low hybrid custom for a stable 40fps.

its just the people's tastes, if they can take lowish quality at decent screen size then sure, even an onboard would work.
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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2011, 03:32:46 AM »
I just realized; I can use my old case, can't I?

Parts ordered:

16 GB ram

2x 2TB HDD

GTX 590

P67 mobo



Should I go with 1000 watt or 1200 watt?

Can 1000 watts handle a second GTX 590?
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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #55 on: June 14, 2011, 03:51:11 AM »
ugh, a doublechip single card, and no, two GTX590+the rig needs about 1.2k watts. think about it, its practically a quad gpu.

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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #56 on: June 14, 2011, 04:02:02 AM »
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tomo-chan, it's very adorable how you are going about this.   ;) :D

Seriously ... looking at this budget and re-using your old case is even a consideration ..??  Yes, you might be able to use the old case ... but we'd need to know what type/size you have and which mobo you are getting.

That said, good on you for going the build-your-own.  You're going to learn a lot, including how to organize a project like this bit.

That said, it will help us a lot if you provide links to the exact models you are purchasing.  Knowing the manufacturer and their exact model numbers is essential to trouble-shooting and matching capabilities.  For example, the RAM would be cool to know its speed and timings.  The mobo ... is a ,,,complicated component and we all (you especially included) will need to understand all of it's capabilities.

The 2 TB drives (I hope!) are specifically intended as mass storage and you have no intention of installing the operating system on them.  You should be looking to a decent SSD for your installation drive ... in fact, if your mobo supports RAID 0 for a pair of drives, a pair of SSDs in RAID will be state-of-the-art fast.


I'll trust kitamesume on the juice you need to run two of those cards, but if you stay with one card then 1000 watts should be plenty.  However, there are other differences to look at, such as efficiency of the PSU, and you definitely want a modular one.  Which model(s) PSU are you considering?


[ EDIT:  your case, either current one or one you will buy, will need to have copious cooling capacity if you really are gonna run a pair of dual-GPU video cards.  Do you care what your case looks like?  Or will it be mostly hidden and you don't care (mostly)?  Function and/or beauty?

Also, 128 GB of SSD should be plenty for your OS plus your apps/games.  So, you could consider getting 2 x 128 GB SSDs and RAID 0 them.  Your budget is generous enough that you might even be able to swing a pair of 256 GB SSDs ... although, I barely can imagine using 100 GB of space for applications/games installation. ]
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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #57 on: June 14, 2011, 04:31:24 AM »
^^ I don't really care what this looks like.

My Compter science teacher has agreed to help me perform this task.  He's a nice guy, and I'm his best student (100% overall average lol).  He's done this many many times; building a gaming computer is part of the Grade 11 curriculum.
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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #58 on: June 14, 2011, 05:23:55 AM »
Quote from: tomoya-kun on June 14, 2011, 04:31:24 AM
^^ I don't really care what this looks like.

My Compter science teacher has agreed to help me perform this task.  He's a nice guy, and I'm his best student (100% overall average lol).  He's done this many many times; building a gaming computer is part of the Grade 11 curriculum.

with that grade i doubt you aren't familiar with a pc. PLUS its part of the curriculum, getting an A++ on that means you dont need to ask anyone.
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Re: So I'm going to buy a new computer...
« Reply #59 on: June 14, 2011, 05:33:54 AM »
Quote from: kitamesume on June 14, 2011, 05:23:55 AM
Quote from: tomoya-kun on June 14, 2011, 04:31:24 AM
^^ I don't really care what this looks like.

My Compter science teacher has agreed to help me perform this task.  He's a nice guy, and I'm his best student (100% overall average lol).  He's done this many many times; building a gaming computer is part of the Grade 11 curriculum.

with that grade i doubt you aren't familiar with a pc. PLUS its part of the curriculum, getting an A++ on that means you dont need to ask anyone.

I'm in grade 10 moving into grade 11; I'll be taking that course next year.

I got 100% on programmer (asian lol).
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