Xbox One

[megido-rev.M]

This system is region locked. Xbox One is REGION LOCKED. Link. 360 was also region locked and they've released some good JRPG games on it (exclusives).

Of course.....

[Mistgun_Zero]

This system is region locked. Xbox One is REGION LOCKED. Link. 360 was also region locked and they've released some good JRPG games on it (exclusives).

It's like Microsoft is screaming 'Don't fucking buy the xbox one' Well, I shall heed the advice then.

[ThePlaneJet]

Region lock seems so useless. I never understood it since I grew up playing pirated games mostly and older cartridge games weren't region locked right? Not even the PS3 is region locked so I don't understand the reason behind it.

Actually the ps3 and xbox 360 had the same thing both have region lock methods inside its up to the game developers if they want to use them or not I assume ps4 and xbox one will be the same. With the exception xbox did region lock digital content like DLC from xbox live

Side note there is I think 2 titles on the ps3 that are region locked all the others are region free. xbox 360 did have some region locks but a lot of them were region free as well

Persona 4 Arena was one of them and I had it. Region locking is dependent on publisher so I suppose unless Microsoft enforces some kind of region lock it shouldn't be a big problem. It already isn't really an issue personally but maybe for some people in Australia and Europe as stated earlier might come to North America or other countries where games may be cheaper or have developers making games for their country only and pick up a few games for cheaper than hometown prices.

E3 is coming up dudes and girls so maybe Microsoft will release news more targeted towards hardcore gamers (or even just gamers) rather than people just looking for convenience and the ability to watch TV.

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And dog lovers.

 

[Tatsujin]

Region lock seems so useless. I never understood it since I grew up playing pirated games mostly and older cartridge games weren't region locked right? Not even the PS3 is region locked so I don't understand the reason behind it.

Actually the ps3 and xbox 360 had the same thing both have region lock methods inside its up to the game developers if they want to use them or not I assume ps4 and xbox one will be the same. With the exception xbox did region lock digital content like DLC from xbox live

Side note there is I think 2 titles on the ps3 that are region locked all the others are region free. xbox 360 did have some region locks but a lot of them were region free as well

Persona 4 Arena was one of them and I had it. Region locking is dependent on publisher so I suppose unless Microsoft enforces some kind of region lock it shouldn't be a big problem. It already isn't really an issue personally but maybe for some people in Australia and Europe as stated earlier might come to North America or other countries where games may be cheaper or have developers making games for their country only and pick up a few games for cheaper than hometown prices.

E3 is coming up dudes and girls so maybe Microsoft will release news more targeted towards hardcore gamers (or even just gamers) rather than people just looking for convenience and the ability to watch TV.

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And dog lovers.

PS3 is region free, Sony allowed developers to choose if they wanted to region lock it. Xbox 360 was region locked. You had no choice but to play that region's games.

[ThePlaneJet]

Region lock seems so useless. I never understood it since I grew up playing pirated games mostly and older cartridge games weren't region locked right? Not even the PS3 is region locked so I don't understand the reason behind it.

Actually the ps3 and xbox 360 had the same thing both have region lock methods inside its up to the game developers if they want to use them or not I assume ps4 and xbox one will be the same. With the exception xbox did region lock digital content like DLC from xbox live

Side note there is I think 2 titles on the ps3 that are region locked all the others are region free. xbox 360 did have some region locks but a lot of them were region free as well

Persona 4 Arena was one of them and I had it. Region locking is dependent on publisher so I suppose unless Microsoft enforces some kind of region lock it shouldn't be a big problem. It already isn't really an issue personally but maybe for some people in Australia and Europe as stated earlier might come to North America or other countries where games may be cheaper or have developers making games for their country only and pick up a few games for cheaper than hometown prices.

E3 is coming up dudes and girls so maybe Microsoft will release news more targeted towards hardcore gamers (or even just gamers) rather than people just looking for convenience and the ability to watch TV.

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And dog lovers.

PS3 is region free, Sony allowed developers to choose if they wanted to region lock it. Xbox 360 was region locked. You had no choice but to play that region's games.

Yah I was pretty sure PS3 was region free. Persona 4 Arena was region locked though. Odd that they did that since it literally is one of the only games on PS3 with some sort of region lock. Lol.

[zherok]

They released P4A in the US only about a week and a half after the Japanese release; they region locked it to prevent Japanese players from backporting the cheaper American release.

[halfelite]

PS3 is region free, Sony allowed developers to choose if they wanted to region lock it. Xbox 360 was region locked. You had no choice but to play that region's games.

again incorrect it was up to game devs same as ps3. here is the list of 360 games and which are region free and which are not.

http://gaming.wikia.com/wiki/Region_Free_Xbox_360_Games

as it explains most of the games from germany,poland,russia are region locked most others are not

[Slysoft]

To compete with the xbox one, I just purchased a tv tuner for my pc. Now I can easily swap between tv and gaming via alt+tab /innovation

[nstgc]

To compete with the xbox one, I just purchased a tv tuner for my pc. Now I can easily swap between tv and gaming via alt+tab /innovation

Holy shits that's brilliant, but can it game as well as an XBox One, because that thing is going to have amazing specs.

[halfelite]

To compete with the xbox one, I just purchased a tv tuner for my pc. Now I can easily swap between tv and gaming via alt+tab /innovation

That does not effect the mass market though. You are not going to get millions of people to buy a pc connect a tv tuner card and being in a lot of countries you need a cable card as well to add this to there living room. Microsoft is trying to bridge the gap, Why do you think the ipad was called innovation not because it was the first tablet tablets have been around for years but because it was the first usable tablet that people could grasp.

Im not saying microsoft gamble will pay off but its trying to bridge the gap, in your living room. Now you have a tv, game console, maybe a pc hooked up, maybe a roku, and a disc player, and a dvr, so six items, If the xbox one does it right, you could essential drop the roku, drop the disc player, drop the pc, and be left with a tv, game console, dvr.  Next generation we will most likely see this diminish even further to just a tv, granted internet streaming of tv broadcast can take off.  Now one could say you could do this now with just a tv and a PC and while yes you could its not something the mass market would do its still a heavy DIY area.

[nstgc]

The biggest problem with your statement is that a console will not, within the foreseeable future, replace a computer. Nor will a tablet for that matter. Also, I seriously doubt that we will have hard core gaming TVs, as specs on those things would have to vary quite a bit, and the market isn't large enough. Besides it doesn't seem that advantageous.

[halfelite]

The biggest problem with your statement is that a console will not, within the foreseeable future, replace a computer. Nor will a tablet for that matter. Also, I seriously doubt that we will have hard core gaming TVs, as specs on those things would have to vary quite a bit, and the market isn't large enough. Besides it doesn't seem that advantageous.

The tv would not do the hardcore gaming so no need for hardware. Everything would be offloaded to a cloud infrastructure. Sony is saying they are testing cloud gaming of ps3 games on the ps4 for backwards compatibility. So if they can offload ps3 games over a cloud in a couple years anything could be possible. There are pro's and con's to a setup like this. But for someone like MS and SONY you drop the hardware profit loss, you can make all your money either running the cloud systems, Both have extensive libraries for titles, and ads. Its not ment to fully replace a PC because at this point int time you really cant. But in a couple more years it will be possible. IF you look at the pc licensing structure its already on its way to full cloud environments for enterprise class software. where most places are just using dumb terminals, and offloading everything to a datacenter or there own cloud based structure.

The main thing holding back is not everyone has fast enough connections to the web for this. But with LTE push going strong at 13mbit that puts most people in range.

just to further sony is thinking the same thing here is a funny patent from sony.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/04/30/sony-patent-is-hilarious-terrifying/?iid=obnetwork

[Bob2004]

The internet is not going to be anywhere near fast enough in most of the world for cloud gaming to be much good for most people for many years yet, maybe even decades. Even the fastest consumer-grade connections have around 20ms latency, which is nowhere near responsive enough to game on. And most people do not have connections even that fast. There have been a few attempts, such as OnLive, but these have all ended in failure so far.

Also, think of this: assuming consoles were replaced with cloud gaming, and assuming at any one time you might have, say, one thousand people playing a game like Call of Duty (a big underestimate, most likely). That means the cloud server has to be able to run one thousand instances of Call of Duty, in parallel, at the same time, with no lag. Stop and think how much computing power would be required to achieve that. Do you think that's going to be economical any time soon?

Not to mention issues with downtime etc, much like the latest Simcity suffers.

[nstgc]

The problem isn't serve side, thats easy especially if you can load a single instance of a massive game engine into the system and then capture the view of that large system at multiple points.

The problem is the internet connection. I tried PlayOnline before, and found the lag to be terrible and the video quality to be even worse. I also like to know that I can play my games after they are no longer supported.

Also, halfelite, you failed to address my primary complaint. We are not debating gaming TVs but rather the XB1. Are you trying to dodge me, because you don't have any good points?

[Bob2004]

The problem isn't serve side, thats easy especially if you can load a single instance of a massive game engine into the system and then capture the view of that large system at multiple points.

The problem is the internet connection. I tried PlayOnline before, and found the lag to be terrible and the video quality to be even worse. I also like to know that I can play my games after they are no longer supported.

Also, halfelite, you failed to address my primary complaint. We are not debating gaming TVs but rather the XB1. Are you trying to dodge me, because you don't have any good points?

Oh yeah, at some point games would start being designed specifically for that kind of platform and would essentially become single-player MMOs. But for any existing games, and for games created by smaller developers without the resources required for that, it would be impossible. Not to mention the sheer number of different games released for any given console, it would get difficult. And I doubt developers would be too impressed if console makers tried to make them host the servers for their own games themselves.

[halfelite]

The problem isn't serve side, thats easy especially if you can load a single instance of a massive game engine into the system and then capture the view of that large system at multiple points.

The problem is the internet connection. I tried PlayOnline before, and found the lag to be terrible and the video quality to be even worse. I also like to know that I can play my games after they are no longer supported.

Also, halfelite, you failed to address my primary complaint. We are not debating gaming TVs but rather the XB1. Are you trying to dodge me, because you don't have any good points?

As he said the server side is the easy side and it could already be done on that side even today. When you are rendering a single multiple game on one server the method and computing power is reduced as the system just has to create one environment then move the game player around. Where single consoles each unit creates the environment followed by the user. And again correct residential internet is the only thing really holding it back. One of the companies I do DB work for as moved to a full cloud environment and I was very impressed with it, And after talking with some of the people that work for the cloud company about what applications work and what does not the answer was pretty much if someone puts up the money to make a better compression engine and the pipe on the other end is big enough anything could be possible.

And im not dodging I dont think I understood what you were asking. Unless you mean what about the xbox one is advantageous to Microsoft? If so the easiest and biggest to point out would be advertising money. The second would be if it requires xbox live always that is a huge revenue stream. Strike deals with amazon,hulu,netflix,lovefilm, to get people to consider a move to your system and the biggest is pick up the casual gamer market. Your farmville, candycrush, all the small free games that make huge money on advertising. Roku tried it by bringing angry birds to the roku, appletv tried it by using airplay to mirror the ipad screen to appletv devices.

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Oh yeah, at some point games would start being designed specifically for that kind of platform and would essentially become single-player MMOs. But for any existing games, and for games created by smaller developers without the resources required for that, it would be impossible. Not to mention the sheer number of different games released for any given console, it would get difficult. And I doubt developers would be too impressed if console makers tried to make them host the servers for their own games themselves.

They would not host there own server unless they wanted to. If I remember battlefield 3 already does its own servers so its already going the direction. Not to mention you can even rent a bf3 server to host your own games on for xbox and ps3 already. they charge like $25 a month so it can also be a revenue stream for a game company. " oh you want to rent a host for bf3 for your clan sure pay up"

newy EDIT: Don't doublepost...

[Bob2004]

Oh yeah, at some point games would start being designed specifically for that kind of platform and would essentially become single-player MMOs. But for any existing games, and for games created by smaller developers without the resources required for that, it would be impossible. Not to mention the sheer number of different games released for any given console, it would get difficult. And I doubt developers would be too impressed if console makers tried to make them host the servers for their own games themselves.

They would not host there own server unless they wanted to. If I remember battlefield 3 already does its own servers so its already going the direction. Not to mention you can even rent a bf3 server to host your own games on for xbox and ps3 already. they charge like $25 a month so it can also be a revenue stream for a game company. " oh you want to rent a host for bf3 for your clan sure pay up"

You misunderstand. I mean the cloud servers on which their game runs entirely. If users could only play games over the cloud, and not on their own consoles, developers (or publishers) would have to host servers running the entire game themselves, if Microsoft/Sony/whoever don't provide hosting for them. Not just multiplayer servers.

[megido-rev.M]

To compete with the xbox one, I just purchased a tv tuner for my pc. Now I can easily swap between tv and gaming via alt+tab /innovation

Holy shits that's brilliant, but can it game as well as an XBox One, because that thing is going to have amazing specs.

Specs are not everything.
As it is presented atm, it's nearly pointless to get a XBox One if you're a PC gamer already.

[nstgc]

To compete with the xbox one, I just purchased a tv tuner for my pc. Now I can easily swap between tv and gaming via alt+tab /innovation

Holy shits that's brilliant, but can it game as well as an XBox One, because that thing is going to have amazing specs.

Specs are not everything.
As it is presented atm, it's nearly pointless to get a XBox One if you're a PC gamer already.

That was sarcasm.

[megido-rev.M]

To compete with the xbox one, I just purchased a tv tuner for my pc. Now I can easily swap between tv and gaming via alt+tab /innovation

Holy shits that's brilliant, but can it game as well as an XBox One, because that thing is going to have amazing specs.

Specs are not everything.
As it is presented atm, it's nearly pointless to get a XBox One if you're a PC gamer already.

That was sarcasm.

Point still stands.