Author Topic: Xbox One (Read 35851 times)

lololitas · « **Reply #900 on:** August 16, 2013, 07:07:02 PM »

http://semiaccurate.com/2013/08/16/xbox-one-backpedaling-chronicles/

this makes for an interesting summary of what's happened. It's not the most accurate but it does it's job

AceHigh · « **Reply #901 on:** August 16, 2013, 07:48:08 PM »

Quote from: halfelite on August 16, 2013, 03:41:06 PM

Seems like something a number cruncher would do. Can't blame them much no point launching units in a region they might not get sold. The 4 to 1 pre order seems way off unless they are doing world stats but even then its misleading as a country like japan will be more like 8 to 1. Would be nice to stats by USA and the bigger EU markets that make over 60% of the market.

Here is another thing that is being talked about. How many units can Sony supply? Because there is a lot of speculation that Sony's dedication of releasing to everyone ASAP can cause a constant "sold out" state. Even Apple that has a great record of making a huge number of units before releases couldn't provide enough iPhones to meet demand.

So perhaps it is a reasonable strategy for MS to release in fewer markets, but saturate them with higher quantity. I can only speculate because none of us know the production capability of either Sony or MS.

By the way in Norway it gets sold. Someone mentioned before that there is low population, but a wealthy one. I can vouch for that, since the arguments on the local gaming forums are never ones like "PC is expensive and console is cheaper", instead it's always about the comfort of sitting in front of the sofa. That being said most gamers have gaming PC rigs next to a console or even several. So yeah, for example Skyrim sold few numbers for consoles because people play it on PC, but Assassin's creed games were mostly played on consoles. Hell many people here that own PS3, also own a 360.

So I really think that there are many possible reasons, but first batch of Xbone not selling over here is not one of them.

lololitas · « **Reply #902 on:** August 16, 2013, 10:11:34 PM »

Well, I think Sony has (near) unreachable production capabilities. I don't think a console will saturate that, but global foundries is somewhat limited (that's where AMD fabs their chips afaik). Still I guess Sony is somewhat limiting the number of consoles for day one release as most retailers in europe already stopped accepting preorders with guaranteed day one delivery. Also since both MS and Sony are using AMD for this one it all depends on who got the better (earlier) contract for supply, since if one sells more, the other sells less.

As for apples case: don't forget that they swithced to their own fab and their own processor with the latest iphone, making it the first inhouse apple APU. As fabs are expensive normally you outsource the production.

AceHigh · « **Reply #903 on:** August 16, 2013, 10:20:15 PM »

Only my speculation of course, but Sony should have stronger bonds with Asian factories making Sony hardware for many decades. Microsoft in comparison is the "new kid" as they are traditionally the software guys. Then again the heart of the console is still AMD, so it will be clear once they are released.

megido-rev.M · « **Reply #904 on:** August 16, 2013, 11:20:42 PM »

Quote from: lololitas on August 16, 2013, 07:07:02 PM

http://semiaccurate.com/2013/08/16/xbox-one-backpedaling-chronicles/

this makes for an interesting summary of what's happened. It's not the most accurate but it does it's job

MS' next 180 might be swapping the water cooler with a water boiler.

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halfelite · « **Reply #905 on:** August 17, 2013, 12:47:38 AM »

Quote from: AceHigh on August 16, 2013, 10:20:15 PM

Only my speculation of course, but Sony should have stronger bonds with Asian factories making Sony hardware for many decades. Microsoft in comparison is the "new kid" as they are traditionally the software guys. Then again the heart of the console is still AMD, so it will be clear once they are released.

I bet both will have shortage in the end, If its like Past consoles I say projection on both is around 2million consoles in 90 days Just depends on how spread out they want to be. As it seems now Microsoft's only focus is there bread and butter territories, And sony is looking to capture all the small territories. Although With the rumor Sony might not launch in Japan this year they are doing some what of the same by stalling a market they know they won. If MS succeeded in taking there key markets and Sony took the smaller markets it would be a Wash in the end.

Gh0st93 · « **Reply #906 on:** August 17, 2013, 02:46:37 AM »

Microsoft might and that a big might , get one or two places from Sony but I see Sony as a whole just making a sweep across the board.

AceHigh · « **Reply #907 on:** August 17, 2013, 03:27:03 AM »

Yeah, there is no way in hell Microsoft can grab the key market from Sony: Asia. Europe is somewhat contested territory, so I guess there will be some countries leaning towards MS, while others towards Sony.

megido-rev.M · « **Reply #908 on:** August 17, 2013, 03:29:54 AM »

What places would be leaning towards MS?

Gh0st93 · « **Reply #909 on:** August 17, 2013, 04:01:00 AM »

Places where there are no sonys...

zherok · « **Reply #910 on:** August 17, 2013, 04:49:26 AM »

Quote from: megido-rev.M on August 17, 2013, 03:29:54 AM

What places would be leaning towards MS?

The US.

The PS3 managed to sell more units worldwide, but the 360 is more common in the US. The CoD series is also more popular on the 360 than the PS3, though less regional titles are the reverse (FIFA for example.)

halfelite · « **Reply #911 on:** August 17, 2013, 05:09:21 AM »

Quote from: megido-rev.M on August 17, 2013, 03:29:54 AM

What places would be leaning towards MS?

The USA is the biggest Microsoft territory Then EU and xbox do pretty well together also.

Looking at past stats coming in at 24 million consoles for the 360 in the usa to only 13 million for the ps3. coming in at 15 million or so were the ps3 did 30 million in the eu. If you add them up they come out pretty damn even in the end 40 million to 45 million.

And the united states is the top game market in the world. With most consoles/games sold per capita bringing in a huge projected 14-15 billion dollar market this coming year. As someone said the asia market. Its a pin dropping in the bucket compared to the USA and EU sales. We will have to wait till August 20 as sony should announce which markets will make launch. Sony would have to dominate the US market pretty much shutting the xbone out for the xbox to trip and fall. And as someone said CoD on xbox is the number one selling game in the world and fuels a ton of the xbox sales for early release content. So with the launch of Ghost at the same time could turn some big numbers over

AceHigh · « **Reply #912 on:** August 17, 2013, 05:54:17 AM »

Quote from: halfelite on August 17, 2013, 05:09:21 AM

And the united states is the top console game market in the world.

While we are talking in context of consoles, I still edited your quote for accuracy before someone misunderstands and starts a shitstorm about Asia being the biggest overall video game market.

Either way by the numbers you presented yourself it's pretty obvious that EU is just as lost to MS, as USA is to Sony.

However I have found some really detailed stats about Scandinavia game market here. Kind of sucks that it only shows units sold in 2011 and not total amount sold since the release of 360/PS3. Also note that PC gaming market is not including digital sales, as they are not possible to track.

lololitas · « **Reply #913 on:** August 17, 2013, 08:31:12 AM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlobalFoundries

going by this and excluding fabs 2 3/5 3E and 6, we'd have a total of 140k 300mm wafers or over 300k 200mm wafers per month.

now there are no known facts about the jaguar derivate they are using, but a jaguar core is 3.1mm² in size assuming they are square in from (which they aren't) we'd get a total of 120 8 core modules on a 200mm let's reduce ti to 100 for all the added stuff. that'd make 30million chips and if the yield is anything above 50% that'd still be more than 15 million chips more like 20 million, considering how many products they sell they won't need to reserve more than 5-10 million per month.

For the 300mm wafer we'd get 290 chips per wafer (I'm reducing it again to leave headroom for added stuff to 250 chips). considering all that I'd say that global foundries will not bottleneck it (and I know it might be produced in germany

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sawakosadako · « **Reply #914 on:** August 17, 2013, 11:29:12 AM »

Those numbers probably aren't correct. A lot of Asian countries bought a US/EU version of PS/XBOX(MODDED).

lololitas · « **Reply #915 on:** August 17, 2013, 02:31:02 PM »

They are only approximations and by no means are to be taken for granted. It's just to show that AMD has quite a lot of production facilities by itself.

Gh0st93 · « **Reply #916 on:** August 17, 2013, 02:45:41 PM »

It's not just about what AMD can produce it depends on everyone in the supply chain, and without knowing this it's hard to give a truly accurate statement. As far as which markets well I don't think it'd be the easiest thing know because we have people here from around the world so we know what we see first hand the best normally, And I don't think they are just publishing charts on who has what globally. The biggest problem with all of this argument is that there's not a lot of numbers going around on the subject and the few we see are a lot of speculation. (this is last part is speaking more to the PS4 v.s. Xbox One sales figures.)

halfelite · « **Reply #917 on:** August 17, 2013, 07:10:45 PM »

Quote from: AceHigh on August 17, 2013, 05:54:17 AM

Quote from: halfelite on August 17, 2013, 05:09:21 AM
And the united states is the top console game market in the world.

While we are talking in context of consoles, I still edited your quote for accuracy before someone misunderstands and starts a shitstorm about Asia being the biggest overall video game market.

Actually You made the context wrong now. The USA is the biggest game market with everything include in the world While Asia has gained a huge number of sales and still tops the charts In online mmorpg. The USA as a whole spends more. totallying consoles,mobile,pc here is most revent sale report I can find http://www.emailwire.com/release/110681-Americans-Continue-to-Play-Most-Video-Games-Per-Capita-Reports-Animal-Jam-Codes.html

AceHigh · « **Reply #918 on:** August 17, 2013, 07:56:42 PM »

Funny how now that I need it, I can't find that article where they calculated arcade games, free to play revenues and other factors that are usually ignored when evaluating the market. Also it doesn't help much that Valve hides the transactions through it's channels.

There is an interesting trend observed, though. That for example Germany, Russia, China and Korea are among those PC master race countries, so measuring market there is difficult. But with the traditional console transactions we know very well which country is the casual CoD kid.

halfelite · « **Reply #919 on:** August 17, 2013, 10:38:36 PM »

^^ Ye I think the difference is how each country plays. Asia is a very dedicated gaming region. They buy one game and can play it for years mostly the MMPORG. So there revenue coming is is low compared to the number of gamers. Where people in the USA have more adhd when it comes to game and buys them like candy switching games every couple weeks/months