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Offline cloudtailx

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Tablet for media consumption?
« on: June 25, 2011, 08:42:08 PM »
Os, resolution, screen aspect, screen quality, HDD space, external storage? Which of the newest tablets seem to be the best for viewing high quality, unconverted anime? Is 16 gigs enough for the galaxy tab even if it has great colour?
What is your opinion?

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Re: Tablet for media consumption?
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2011, 09:46:11 PM »
16gig? goodluck fitting in your "high quality, unconverted anime" which even has sizes of over 1gb per 10mins. full blue-ray copy even reaches 4gb per 10mins.

try a notebook, specially the bobcat E-350 based ones.
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Re: Tablet for media consumption?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2011, 07:09:48 AM »
Can a tablet even play blue-ray quality?
I was thinking of 720 mkvs and the like.

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Re: Tablet for media consumption?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2011, 08:19:23 AM »
You realize that 720p stuff is still HD, right? DVD-quality is typically 480p or so, or even as high as 576p. BD-rips are usually encoded in 720p or 1080p.

But heck, a tablet's resolution probably doesn't even get that high.

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Re: Tablet for media consumption?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2011, 01:21:50 PM »
My Cowon D3 can play 1080p. A tablet should have no problems.

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Re: Tablet for media consumption?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2011, 02:53:20 PM »
most tablets has low res, so the res of the video doesn't matter that much, the problem is the bitrate, which is one hell of a thing to render. you've seen a single 2hrs movie with a size of 30gb right?

this is evident with some copies that exist in BBT, i`ve seen 720p being bigger than the 1080p, just because the 720p has waaay higher of a bitrate than the 1080p. so in short, you watch out on the file size of the video, the res doesn't matter much i.e. if you play a 1080p movie on a 720p screen, the movie will automatically adjust and play @ 720p too, something like downscaling itself BUT the bitrate is the same.

but heres a tip, dont just grab a tablet and slap in some anime like a tard, first thing to do is to know what core components the tablet has, i.e. the processor and the gpu and the native resolution of the tablet's screen, once you know those, start googling and find some reviews about their performance and if they could drive a video on that native resolution.

like the old classmate i have, he saw a brandnew notebook for like less than 250$, and bought it like a tard, first thing he said was "wtf, notebook lags when playing 720p anime" because the notebook has a n270 atom +gma 950 with a native res of 1360x768...
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Re: Tablet for media consumption?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2011, 03:30:58 PM »
^CoreAVC fixes that.  :P

Anyway, as it's been said check the usual tablets that are released and their specs, reviews as well and see if they're reported to play. Memory is also another thing to think about, does it also take removable storage? You don't want to be stuck with a measly 8/16GB and that's that.

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Re: Tablet for media consumption?
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2011, 03:42:41 PM »
^CoreAVC fixes that.  :P

Anyway, as it's been said check the usual tablets that are released and their specs, reviews as well and see if they're reported to play. Memory is also another thing to think about, does it also take removable storage? You don't want to be stuck with a measly 8/16GB and that's that.
+1

actually the solution was GMABooster + CCCP+CoreAVC. did the trick, though still goes into slideshow mode from time to time. hes an ass that even tries to play blueray rip movies on it.
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Re: Tablet for media consumption?
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2011, 05:36:26 PM »
All the android tablets seem to be running the same processor (tegra 2) and performance is about the same across the board. I couldn't find any info on suppported bitrates tho. I'm thinking of either the asus transformer or the motorola xoom. Both have 32 gigs, but the xoom is a hundred buks more and has USB. Has anyone tried using an external HDD with a tablet?

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Re: Tablet for media consumption?
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2011, 09:14:25 PM »
What's media support like for the tablet version of Android (2.3 I think)? On phones it's quite limited, and due to the nature of the Android system, it's very hard to get more codecs without having to root the system first (which voids the warranty IIRC). Android 2.2 can play almost nothing by default; there's a media player called Rockplayer which is able to play h.264 reasonably, and actually supports the mkv container (still no flac audio though), but it's still completely useless for subtitles etc. I have to convert anime into hardsubbed 480p xvid to be able to play it reliably on my Android.

It doesn't matter how powerful the tablet is if it doesn't have the codecs for playing the videos, so it might be worth checking up on that if you can before buying one.

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Re: Tablet for media consumption?
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2011, 11:03:17 PM »
What's media support like for the tablet version of Android (2.3 I think)? On phones it's quite limited, and due to the nature of the Android system, it's very hard to get more codecs without having to root the system first (which voids the warranty IIRC). Android 2.2 can play almost nothing by default; there's a media player called Rockplayer which is able to play h.264 reasonably, and actually supports the mkv container (still no flac audio though), but it's still completely useless for subtitles etc. I have to convert anime into hardsubbed 480p xvid to be able to play it reliably on my Android.

It doesn't matter how powerful the tablet is if it doesn't have the codecs for playing the videos, so it might be worth checking up on that if you can before buying one.
the codecs may be there but you have to possibly hunt for the actual tech specs for the video (bitrate/x264 level setting, etc) but in general the containers that phones suppourt are poor in terms of subtitle format suppourt.  If it suppourts .mp4, it'd be better to actually hardsub the video (if styled subs) than to jump through hoops to get vobsubs or .srt subs to show up

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Re: Tablet for media consumption?
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2011, 11:50:06 PM »
I think tablets use Android 3.0 Honeycomb, 'moboplayer' decodes video with its own codecs through software or hardware (if you select it). I'm not sure how well it'll work for unconverted MKV files on the tablets but it does have good subtitle support. mVideoplayer might also be something else to check out, it uses the phone/tablet's built in codecs to play, how well that'll work I dont know. I don't bother converting since my Galaxy S2 just plays whatever I throw at it 1080p or not, not much help from me, lol

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Re: Tablet for media consumption?
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2011, 07:08:47 AM »
thats why i`d rather prefer notebooks over tablets, though tablets looks more neat.

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Re: Tablet for media consumption?
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2011, 10:54:07 AM »
What's media support like for the tablet version of Android (2.3 I think)? On phones it's quite limited, and due to the nature of the Android system, it's very hard to get more codecs without having to root the system first (which voids the warranty IIRC). Android 2.2 can play almost nothing by default; there's a media player called Rockplayer which is able to play h.264 reasonably, and actually supports the mkv container (still no flac audio though), but it's still completely useless for subtitles etc. I have to convert anime into hardsubbed 480p xvid to be able to play it reliably on my Android.

It doesn't matter how powerful the tablet is if it doesn't have the codecs for playing the videos, so it might be worth checking up on that if you can before buying one.
the codecs may be there but you have to possibly hunt for the actual tech specs for the video (bitrate/x264 level setting, etc) but in general the containers that phones suppourt are poor in terms of subtitle format suppourt.  If it suppourts .mp4, it'd be better to actually hardsub the video (if styled subs) than to jump through hoops to get vobsubs or .srt subs to show up

I don't think vobsubs work at all; .srt subs sometimes do if they're not embedded. Since the majority of anime is softsubbed with embedded subs (and usually in .ass), it usually has to be hardsubbed to be played on Android, as you say, which means reencoding it to mp4 or xvid - so a tablet is probably not going to be great for watching anime, even if it is powerful enough to play HD video. A laptop would be better, though I guess it depends on exactly what Android 3.0 supports out of the box.

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Re: Tablet for media consumption?
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2011, 04:11:17 PM »
According to the developer page android 3.0 supports
Video   H.263       3GPP (.3gp) and MPEG-4 (.mp4)
H.264 AVC      Baseline Profile (BP)   3GPP (.3gp) and MPEG-4 (.mp4). MPEG-TS (.ts, AAC audio only, not seekable, Android 3.0+)
MPEG-4 SP       3GPP (.3gp)
VP8            WebM (.webm)
so i guess it can play mkv.

I know that android handles external subs reasonably well, and the default samsung player seems to handle dual audio/soft subs, can anyone confirm?

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Re: Tablet for media consumption?
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2011, 12:48:27 AM »
I play H264 AVC MKV with .ass softsubs but they're not styled, no big deal. Don't know what everyone's blathering on all worried about. :P



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Re: Tablet for media consumption?
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2011, 08:04:18 AM »
nah, i meant those type of tablets, didn't exactly meant them. amd c-50, atom n5xx are decent enough.

like this:
[450$]DELL Inspiron Duo (iMD-3487FNT) Tablet PC (Foggy Night) Intel Atom Dual Core N550(1.50GHz) 10.1" 2GB Memory DDR3 800 320GB HDD 7200rpm Intel GMA 3150

i like the tablet/laptop hybrids just because i could fit a larger HDD in it~ but SSD is a must, more battery life.

i dunno about the other OSes though, the problem is that if they support codec programs like CoreAVC and maybe CCCP at least?
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Re: Tablet for media consumption?
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2011, 05:55:03 PM »
The problem is Tablets aren't cost effective. I sell tablets when I work, and while its nifty and overall most do what they're suppose to do, they also have several downsides (including a good portion of them don't even have SD slots for expansion which is a problem from some people).

For the price of a tablet you can get a lightweight 13.3inch laptop that does more. My g4 HP laptop plays 720p video (haven't test 1080p yet) just fine, and its lightweight. I just can't justify the cost of tablets at this point.

Once the hardware gets equal to or better than where laptops are currently, they just aren't worth it (unless if you're filthy rich and can afford stuff like this).

Tablet PCs are a step in a decent direction but aren't quite worth it either. Most of the customers I had buy them said they use it as a pc (very rarely use it as a tablet).
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