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Offline Osmo

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Steve jobs
« on: July 02, 2011, 01:47:24 PM »
Regardless of what people say about him. He is an impressive man. It's his personality and how he goes about his business. Passionate. He's a perfectionist. And idealist that puts dreams into reality. That's how his brain works. And that's awesome from creativity.

Alot of people hate on him but they really have no reason to. No man is truly perfect. For some reason people don't like to admit these qualitiies about him, and give him alot of hate. Why? Hate is personal and runs deeper. Anyway. He has more potential then what he's already created.

I absolutely love the iPhone 4. There is only one phone to come close to it and that is the samsung galaxy s2. I'm not talking from a technical side. Sure the phone isnt perfect and has alot of technology from other companies, but dont judge a technology by its name i.e (apple) see it for what it is. An iphone 4 not a 3G or 3GS. And I'm sure his competitors have good qualities and value to offer too. But enough with the hate.

Peace out.
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Re: Steve jobs
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2011, 02:44:45 PM »
shouldn't this be in the lounge? ohh well

who's the guy? mwahahahaha.

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Re: Steve jobs
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2011, 02:47:14 PM »
I don't hate Steve Jobs. I personally like Apple much more than Microsoft.

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Re: Steve jobs
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2011, 03:15:02 PM »
i don't hate the guy. i hate the guys that think he's some kind of creative ubergenius - that mistake his undeniable talent as a salesman with the creative work of all his underlings and would follow him into hell lipsyncing it as heaven as long as he says so.

what's the point of your post anyway, OP?
« Last Edit: July 02, 2011, 03:20:34 PM by blubart »

Offline undetz

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Re: Steve jobs
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2011, 03:25:51 PM »
I don't hate the person, but I do loathe what the company stands for.

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Re: Steve jobs
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2011, 03:31:44 PM »
what's the point of your post anyway, OP?
Well, in writing things like essays or opening posts it is common practice to sum things up in the final paragraph, so I can only assume that this guy loves his iPhone4 and seems to think Steve Jobs is solely responsible for it. As if he designed it and not the people working for him.

Ill add here that I have had iPhones since the very first one came out and had an iPhone4 for a little while but traded it in within the first month in exchange for a Samsung Galaxy S and it blows the iPhone out of the water. So yea, put that in your pipe and smoke it, OP!
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Re: Steve jobs
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2011, 03:33:30 PM »
When I see Apple, I think "propriety-this, propriety-that" and a slew of software restrictions. The fact that hackintoses are looked down upon by the company is all the proof I need to determine the following arbitrary thing I just made up:
{Some small set of linux OS's} > Windows > Mac
Steve Jobs <-> Mac
So...

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Re: Steve jobs
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2011, 03:53:39 PM »
the thing i hate the most about apple is the "price".

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Re: Steve jobs
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2011, 06:19:57 PM »
its silly to hate steve jobs hes a marketing genius and hires good people.

I hate apple, and nearly all of its current product lines. They are overpriced under-functioning underpowered products that are set up for proprietary accessories and software and bind you like prison chains when using it.

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Re: Steve jobs
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2011, 08:16:10 PM »
He is my hero, TBH he is one of the people that inspire me. . . I mean. . .just look at what he did

regardless of him doing Pixar and other OS's
regardless of him founding apple computers inc and releasing the first PC with a not-so-hard UI
regardless of  him taking the idea of a mouse out of Xerox's trashcan (kind of)

dude. . .he took red numbered apple, the company he forged, he took it after they fired him. . .he grabbed that decaying thing and turned it into what it is today. . .

he has real pride, bro he loved his company so much he did what he had to do. . .man! so awesome!
and he smoked weed!

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Re: Steve jobs
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2011, 08:20:10 PM »
I have respect for Steve Jobs, but boy do I despise dislike apple products

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Re: Steve jobs
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2011, 09:27:16 PM »
I have respect for Steve Jobs, but boy do I despise dislike apple products

...and a great percentage of their users, unfortunately. I can spot mac users almost as better as I can spot Jehovah's Witnesses.

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Re: Steve jobs
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2011, 09:37:27 PM »
Steve Jobs is great at "iconic marketing". Little else.


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regardless of him founding apple computers inc and releasing the first PC with a not-so-hard UI

Give Steve Wozniak some credit, you swine.
Of course, why don't we let the inventors, engineers, scientists and designers who are responsible for that nifty iPhone you have be invisible in the background and instead hail a businessman as your saint and saviour. You make me sick.

This thread is now about Steve Wozniak who made the first Apple 1 and 2 computers. May he forever be given the fair credit for his work.
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Re: Steve jobs
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2011, 09:49:29 PM »
^ THAT.

I don't hate the guy. I mean he got rich and all, he must be doing something right. So instead, I say I hate his guts/company.

apple was probably the first justin beiber because:

  • Proprietary bullcrap and DRM worse than MS's.

  • Vendor locking. get apple hardware and you can't use 3rd party stuff.

  • The abomination that is known as iTunes.

  • The abomination that is known as iPod Shuffle 3G.

  • Holding back features in multigeneration gadgets (e.g. Shuffle)



to expound

  • no explanation needed.

  • That expensive ass proprietary earphone.

  • Bloated Crap. I just wan't something to put music in my ipod/play music. a fresh install consumes 50~ MB on idle for the love of fuck.  The iTunes Store thing is nice for legal stuff. I'll give them that. but integrating Quicktime in itunes is overkill. I seriously don't need that lame excuse of a decoder/player.

  • Proprietary earphones (and the epic troll that is 4G, where the buttons made a comeback, see next point), cannot be properly managed with anything but iTunes.

  • Holding back features. They remove the buttons on 3G and put em back again on 4G. because they apparently realized the obvious after getting your money. I hear they did the same thing on iPhone.
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Re: Steve jobs
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2011, 10:14:03 PM »
I think Steve Jobs is great at what he does... he also makes a lot of money on name brand and not the actual product. Just look at the iPhone... most features, if not all features, are on other phones with a lot less gr$$n. Just because "Apple" made it... it just has to be better.

This leads to my next point... which is that I hate people who use Apple products. Why? Cause they think they are better because they spent more money. I think that's dumb because I saved money, got the same product (or a lot better) and still have money left over!

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Re: Steve jobs
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2011, 05:26:03 AM »
the only apple brand i have is the iPod though now its MIA dunno where it went.

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Re: Steve jobs
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2011, 05:34:09 AM »
Used car salesman + Chairman Mao = Steve Jobs?

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Re: Steve jobs
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2011, 12:33:28 PM »
Used car salesman + Chairman Mao = Steve Jobs?

I think you're on to something there.

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Re: Steve jobs
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2011, 07:06:11 PM »
Used car salesman + Chairman Mao = Steve Jobs?


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Re: Steve jobs
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2011, 09:15:04 PM »
The comments about Steve Jobs being an asshole of a person have a lot of solid ground beneath them.  If you recall, Steve Jobs was forced out by the Apple Board of Directors because he was such an ass as a manager.  If you were on the same elevator with him, and you somehow ticked him off (you were wearing a scent he didn't like) he might fire you on the spot.  His whimsical on-the-spot firings were only part of the problems that the Board of Directors didn't like as they would have to fix the stream of problems (rehire the person or whatever other legal remedies needed).

Despite that, the hardware industry is a fast moving river with strong currents and rapids.  Without a visionary to map out a feasible risky path to take, a company can be great one day and then fall down and be bankrupt five years later.  The Apple Board was fairly conservative and only mapped out feasible non-risky paths.  That was the wrong approach in an industry where many paths may end simply because a new better path is found and your now-former customers all stampede to the new product or approach.  However, many paths cannot be seen because they are hidden by the mists churned up by the rapids.  Thus, the starting point of such paths exist but there is no way to get to it without grinding on a bunch of rocks and enduring that to get onto the new path.  Some do not have enough resources to endure the grinding rocks but many simply don't see it because the risk blocks their vision of what lies beyond.  So Apple slowly went down the tubes.

When Jobs came back, he was "mellower" than before (although still a terror).  Instead of trying to do all the management himself like back on lisa, he hovered over all the managers and supervisors (who could do the job much better than Jobs could) and semi-micro-managed everything.   There are a lot of companies that would have employee revolts (like mine) if the president did that.  I guess with the "Second Coming" of Jobs at Apple, his job there is pretty secure.

I don't like apple's proprietary approach, but it is necessary with china copying everything and using their MFN status to insert items into our distribution network.  Without ways of preventing illegal copies from either failing or having occasional problems, Apple could find itself risking, investing, and producing a product line that legally belonged to it, but for which it had no DE FACTO profits because everyone was buying and using copies.  There are many USA companies that have had such problems with mainland China and then gone out of business due to that; they had the skills and money to invent it, but China ended up as the collective that sold copies of it.  The USA cannot individually slap China's hand and STRONGLY complain about how 17% of the mobile handsets are illegal copies, or other things.  The USA slaps china with a wet noodle because it cannot do more as china holds over 3 trillion of the usa deficit debt and has been rolling it over.  If china stops rolling it over, and says gimme my money 1 trillion per year for the next 4 years, it could easily create a 4 year long death for usa companies.  While china would get some reverse shocks, it would still benefit as the low price leader as the desperately poor usa customers would buy chinese for the lowest price.  Remember when china seized the usa military plane and then chopped it up before returning it to bush?  Bush and the other hawks made very little grumbling due to china being able to twist the deficit knife in bush's first term which would have doomed his 2nd term.   Apple's aggressive proprietary approach has resulted in it making huge profits instead of losing most of it to mainland china bootleggers.  And it hasn't had the PR fallout that Sony did with its proprietary approach.