Are some Apple PCs priceworthy?

[bloody000]

@Ace: You missed one: a two terabyte HDD is not $150 more expensive than a 1TB.

Indeed. According to HP, a 2TB drive should be 280USD more expensive than a 1TB one. And if you want Dell to put a 1TB drive instead of a 500GB one in your Precision T5500 you should pay Dell 130USD.

And according to newegg....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007603&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&CompareItemList=14|22-136-533^22-136-533-TS%2C22-136-830^22-136-830-TS

No shit Sherlock. I never knew building my own computer is cheaper than paying for someone else to do it for me. I might need to look into cooking at home instead of eating out.

[kitamesume]

^ you`ll need to include the parts that you`ll need like gas/electricity to cook, the quality vs restaurants and time consumed during cooking. might be cheaper, sure but cooking takes time, specially delicious ones.

[bloody000]

^ you`ll need to include the parts that you`ll need like gas/electricity to cook, the quality vs restaurants and time consumed during cooking. might be cheaper, sure but cooking takes time, specially delicious ones.

It's just food. Coat your mouth with benzocaine(local anesthetic), swallow it all, get energy out of it, poop and done!

[Sosseres]

If you factor in time making the food, then you have to factor in travel time to a restaurant you want to eat at. In my case those are often equal. Though the food at the restaurant is better when I make food in that time at home.

[kitamesume]

^ usually the restaurant is a couple of blocks away.

by the time the food is served it should've took about 30mins at fastest including the time spent going to the restaurant(10mins walk, 5mins order, 15mins waiting till serve), plus you`ll have your hands off the cooking which is troublesome.

but, if you`d take in canned goods which only takes an oven/microwave to cook and you dont mind the taste then it is indeed alot of savings compared to restaurants.

Edit: ok i know we're talking about "Apple" but are we talking about the food or the inedible?   /sarcasm

[AceHigh]

No shit Sherlock. I never knew building my own computer is cheaper than paying for someone else to do it for me. I might need to look into cooking at home instead of eating out.

It takes 5 minutes for a trained monkey to install a hard drive. Are you saying that 150 bucks goes to cover his salary for those 5 minutes? If that is the case, then I want that job.

[bloody000]

No shit Sherlock. I never knew building my own computer is cheaper than paying for someone else to do it for me. I might need to look into cooking at home instead of eating out.

It takes 5 minutes for a trained monkey to install a hard drive. Are you saying that 150 bucks goes to cover his salary for those 5 minutes? If that is the case, then I want that job.

HP, Dell and Apple can charge you however they like because this is the so called "pro/enterprise" market where you can sell D-sized alkaline cells for 10 dollars each just because it came with phone support. Last night I started a thread about HP quiting the low-margin consumer market.

[Gamerzhell]

No shit Sherlock. I never knew building my own computer is cheaper than paying for someone else to do it for me. I might need to look into cooking at home instead of eating out.

It takes 5 minutes for a trained monkey to install a hard drive. Are you saying that 150 bucks goes to cover his salary for those 5 minutes? If that is the case, then I want that job.

HP, Dell and Apple can charge you however they like because this is the so called "pro/enterprise" market where you can sell D-sized alkaline cells for 10 dollars each just because it came with phone support. Last night I started a thread about HP quiting the low-margin consumer market.

Apple products are really only for personal use, you don't see many large corporations running server farms of mac pros now do you? Apple products are not comparable to workstations since they are designed for different things. "phone support" is the upper bounds of what Apple offers. HP/Dell offer onsite support which is very very important in this market.

[bloody000]

Why would one build server farms with workstations in the first place? That's what racks are for.

Really, workstations are used mostly in personal studios, small businesses or dev offices of large companies.  A small business is about the only thing I can think of that benefits a lot from onsite support. Large companies have their own IT dept. and soho can just take it to a service provider. If one really want onsite support one can pay for AppleCare. No, it's not included in the price but hey at least Apple only asks 5k for a 12-core machine vs HP asking for over 5.6k for the same specs.

[metro.]

First off, Mac's started out great, I won't deny that. And iPod's are still the most dominant and probably best music players out there.
Check this out http://thenextweb.com/apple/files/2010/09/mac01.jpg and read on.

However, I hate Macs, with a serious and burning passion for a few reason
1. Looks are trying too hard to be "new age"
2. Stupid over priced with very little room for custom work or upgrades
3. Cheaper to build a Hackintosh, and usally better
4. Apple support sucks
5. Wanna play games? Too fucking bad.
6. New OS is total crap, trying to be like an iPad, only there's not touch screen.
7. Finally, most importantly, hipsters have them, don't be a hipster.

So in answer to the topic name, no, never.

[mgz]

First off, Mac's started out great, I won't deny that. And iPod's are still the most dominant and probably best music players out there.


So in answer to the topic name, no, never.

most popular and consumed by the masses ... yes. Best player in any way shape or form... NO. If you start including things that would make it better then other players out there after you get pat most popular its list of things it does better then a lot of players is nearly gone.
Things like battery life, audio quality, codec support, output volume, just to name afew

[kitamesume]

^i`d say a good music player should support these:
80gb of free space minimum
support flac without issues
battery lasts 3days minimum
smaller than your average cellphone
must not cost more than 100$
output audio quality is the real deal

[metro.]

^i`d say a good music player should support these:
80gb of free space minimum
support flac without issues
battery lasts 3days minimum
smaller than your average cellphone
must not cost more than 100$
output audio quality is the real deal

While we're at it I'd love to have a super computer that cost $500 dollars and was user friendly. Buuuuut it just doesn't turn out that way. Yes lack of FLAC support is a punch in the dick but at some point I find myself converting just to save space on my harddrives.

[mgz]

^i`d say a good music player should support these:
80gb of free space minimum
support flac without issues
battery lasts 3days minimum
smaller than your average cellphone
must not cost more than 100$
output audio quality is the real deal

While we're at it I'd love to have a super computer that cost $500 dollars and was user friendly. Buuuuut it just doesn't turn out that way. Yes lack of FLAC support is a punch in the dick but at some point I find myself converting just to save space on my harddrives.

Just because you personally believe in undoing the entire point of having flac files doesnt mean everyone does. Especially when speaking in regards of audiophiles.

[Proin Drakenzol]

^i`d say a good music player should support these:
80gb of free space minimum
support flac without issues
battery lasts 3days minimum
smaller than your average cellphone
must not cost more than 100$
output audio quality is the real deal

While we're at it I'd love to have a super computer that cost $500 dollars and was user friendly. Buuuuut it just doesn't turn out that way. Yes lack of FLAC support is a punch in the dick but at some point I find myself converting just to save space on my harddrives.

Just because you personally believe in undoing the entire point of having flac files doesnt mean everyone does. Especially when speaking in regards of audiophiles.

On that note: with the release of the firmware upgrading the Cowon D3 from Android 2.1 to 2.3 my recommendation for the product has gone from "has some major issues, but sound quality and file support are excellent" to "I love this media player so much <3."

[bloody000]

FLACebo on portable gear is hilarious o say the least.

[tomoya-kun]

must not cost more than 100$

That is truly impossible.

[kitamesume]

must not cost more than 100$

That is truly impossible.

think again?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855101263
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855117066

[Proin Drakenzol]

FLACebo on portable gear is hilarious o say the least.

Maybe if all you're using are JVC Gummies.

I have triple armature headphones. There is a difference.

must not cost more than 100$

That is truly impossible.

think again?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855101263
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855117066

But do they meet any of your other requirements? One is 1/10th the storage space, the other 1/40th. The iPod shuffle sounds like the audio is being filtered through mud (haven't heard the Samsung). The iPod definitely doesn't support flac (the Samsung might but I doubt it).

So, physically small and <$100. Not that great, imo.

[kitamesume]

well he said having a music player below 100$ is impossible, just pointing out that theres a ton at below 100$.