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Kyrdua:

--- Quote from: Freedom Kira on July 14, 2011, 02:13:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kyrdua on July 14, 2011, 12:55:18 PM ---I'm not sure if i understand what you're trying to say here.

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(click to show/hide)Basically, the moment something is created, it is copyrighted to the creator. Whether it's something you say aloud to someone else, graffiti you paint on a wall, or a post you make on a forum, no one has the right to make an exact copy of it without giving you full credit.

So, why say a film in particular is copyrighted? Everything is. It's like saying this website is on the Internet. Well, inform me of a website that isn't.

Point is, when you surf the web, your computer makes a temporary local copy of every page you visit. Only difference here is that the copy is deleted once you leave the page or close your browser, depending on the browser, so the creators don't particularly care.
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ooh, now i see your point. though that probably is a particularly weak argument given most websites are meant to be downloaded an distributed "for free".

If films are distributed for free they probably won't give a damn if it gets pirated because they won't lose the money they're not even getting. with that said, they have a good reason to be pissed off but i believe that's exaggerated. with all the DRM crap they put in paid stuff, it makes the pirated copies more appealing.

Bob2004:

--- Quote from: Tiffanys on July 14, 2011, 05:54:43 PM ---I was reading SwissVPN's general terms and conditions and it really seems like they don't try to protect their clients at all.


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--- Quote ---2. Obligations of the Client
General
In particular, the Client must ensure that the internet access is used
in accordance with current legislation and existing contracts (esp.
Clause 5) and that the payments for services subscribed to (see
Clauses 3 and 4) are made on time.

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5. Information content; correct legal and
contractual use; misuse
Information content
The Client is responsible for the content of the information (data,
language in any form) transmitted or processed by Monzoon or made
available by the Client to third parties. Monzoon is not responsible for
these data nor for any information that the Client receives via the
internet network or which third parties distribute or make available via
internet networks.
Correct legal and contractual use
The Client is responsible for ensuring that the internet access is used
in accordance with current legislation and existing contracts. The
Client may not use the internet access to disturb or annoy (e.g.
spamming) third parties, nor to prevent the correct functioning of
another network access, nor for any other, illegal, purpose. Illegal
purposes include the transmission or provision of illegal content, as
well as advertising campaigns or messages where the sender knows
(or must be aware) that the recipient does not wish to receive
promotional calls or messages.
Usage of Monzoon Services Through Third Parties
A direct or secondary use of Monzoon services through third parties
is prohibited without explicit written permission from Monzoon
Networks. In particular, it is prohibited to give or share user names or
passwords, or in any other way allow or enable unallowed third party
use.
Measures against misuse
If there is evidence of illegal use of an internet access, if such misuse
is reported by a competent authority, or if a legal ruling decrees a
misuse, Monzoon can demand that the Client’s access be in
compliance with current legislation and existing contracts, may
discontinue the services provided without prior notice or
indemnification, cancel the contract without notice or indemnification
and if necessary seek compensation. Monzoon can effect the same
measures if it has grounds for assuming that the Client is violating or
will violate the contract, or that they provided incorrect or incomplete
details when taking out the contract. If Monzoon cancels the contract
for any of these reasons, the Client shall be liable for the payment of
any outstanding amounts in accordance with the contractual
conditions governing the early termination of the contract.
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I'm not sure how relevant that particular document you've linked is. Monzoon Networks are a company who mainly provide Data centre hosting to companies, and those T&Cs are just general ones which apply to all their customers (SwissVPN is just run through a server in their data centre). They also provide wireless hotspot services in Switzerland, which seems to be what those T&Cs were originally written for.

On their main website, they say they don't collect any personal information from their network, and since the only information they have on you is your email address and Paypal details (since that's all they ask for), even if in the worst case scenario an anti-piracy company tried to make them hand over your details, they don't really have anything anyway. And Switzerland is pretty good for data protection, so it's unlikely any anti-piracy companies would be able to make them hand anything over even if they tried.

Besides, all that document says is that they take no responsibility for data passed through their network, and that they'll terminate your access if you're caught doing anything illegal. It's probably only there to cover their back in case someone tries to sue them because of something that was done using their services. It definitely doesn't say anything about not protecting their client's personal information; after all, their whole SwissVPN business depends on keeping user's details private. If they released them without putting up a fight, their reputation would be ruined.

Freedom Kira:

--- Quote from: Kyrdua on July 14, 2011, 07:48:42 PM ---ooh, now i see your point. though that probably is a particularly weak argument given most websites are meant to be downloaded an distributed "for free".

If films are distributed for free they probably won't give a damn if it gets pirated because they won't lose the money they're not even getting. with that said, they have a good reason to be pissed off but i believe that's exaggerated. with all the DRM crap they put in paid stuff, it makes the pirated copies more appealing.

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Nah, the point was the word "copyright" that they keep using. Films aren't any more special than what a random person decides to write in his blog - everything is copyrighted. It's just that people who make films want to make money off of it, and the blogger doesn't. But that doesn't mean that the blogger's productions aren't copyrighted.

If you ask me, I can't think of a better word, aside from maybe "licensed." "Copyright" would be a word that's overused in that respect.

tomoya-kun:
My ISP doesn't throttle torrents or monitor me as far as I know, I download hundreds of gigs of stuff each month.

eNomineZerum:
I will have to see is Suddenlink cuts my connection back. I have a 10Mb down with 1Mb up. uTorrent shows my downloads can sustain 1.2MB down and 120kB up. Anyway, I have been hitting the net pretty hard for the past few days since I have been on vacation and have yet to see my speeds drop. I can't wait to see my total monthly usage because Suddenlink believes that 43 Gigabytes is the amount that I should use, I can account for 20+ on Xbox Live and Youtube alone.

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