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Internet service providers to act against online piracy by reducing bandwidth
Tiffanys:
--- Quote from: Bob2004 on July 14, 2011, 07:57:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tiffanys on July 14, 2011, 05:54:43 PM ---I was reading SwissVPN's general terms and conditions and it really seems like they don't try to protect their clients at all.
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--- Quote ---2. Obligations of the Client
General
In particular, the Client must ensure that the internet access is used
in accordance with current legislation and existing contracts (esp.
Clause 5) and that the payments for services subscribed to (see
Clauses 3 and 4) are made on time.
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5. Information content; correct legal and
contractual use; misuse
Information content
The Client is responsible for the content of the information (data,
language in any form) transmitted or processed by Monzoon or made
available by the Client to third parties. Monzoon is not responsible for
these data nor for any information that the Client receives via the
internet network or which third parties distribute or make available via
internet networks.
Correct legal and contractual use
The Client is responsible for ensuring that the internet access is used
in accordance with current legislation and existing contracts. The
Client may not use the internet access to disturb or annoy (e.g.
spamming) third parties, nor to prevent the correct functioning of
another network access, nor for any other, illegal, purpose. Illegal
purposes include the transmission or provision of illegal content, as
well as advertising campaigns or messages where the sender knows
(or must be aware) that the recipient does not wish to receive
promotional calls or messages.
Usage of Monzoon Services Through Third Parties
A direct or secondary use of Monzoon services through third parties
is prohibited without explicit written permission from Monzoon
Networks. In particular, it is prohibited to give or share user names or
passwords, or in any other way allow or enable unallowed third party
use.
Measures against misuse
If there is evidence of illegal use of an internet access, if such misuse
is reported by a competent authority, or if a legal ruling decrees a
misuse, Monzoon can demand that the Client’s access be in
compliance with current legislation and existing contracts, may
discontinue the services provided without prior notice or
indemnification, cancel the contract without notice or indemnification
and if necessary seek compensation. Monzoon can effect the same
measures if it has grounds for assuming that the Client is violating or
will violate the contract, or that they provided incorrect or incomplete
details when taking out the contract. If Monzoon cancels the contract
for any of these reasons, the Client shall be liable for the payment of
any outstanding amounts in accordance with the contractual
conditions governing the early termination of the contract.
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I'm not sure how relevant that particular document you've linked is. Monzoon Networks are a company who mainly provide Data centre hosting to companies, and those T&Cs are just general ones which apply to all their customers (SwissVPN is just run through a server in their data centre). They also provide wireless hotspot services in Switzerland, which seems to be what those T&Cs were originally written for.
On their main website, they say they don't collect any personal information from their network, and since the only information they have on you is your email address and Paypal details (since that's all they ask for), even if in the worst case scenario an anti-piracy company tried to make them hand over your details, they don't really have anything anyway. And Switzerland is pretty good for data protection, so it's unlikely any anti-piracy companies would be able to make them hand anything over even if they tried.
Besides, all that document says is that they take no responsibility for data passed through their network, and that they'll terminate your access if you're caught doing anything illegal. It's probably only there to cover their back in case someone tries to sue them because of something that was done using their services. It definitely doesn't say anything about not protecting their client's personal information; after all, their whole SwissVPN business depends on keeping user's details private. If they released them without putting up a fight, their reputation would be ruined.
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But... wouldn't Paypal hand over your info?
Although, I do know the Swiss have the best protection of any country over their net. It's not enough to suspect someone of a crime. They have to be able to prove you would do jail time if proven guilty before they even have any merit whatsoever. A fine isn't enough.
kitamesume:
sue them for extortion and state this line "they've kept billing me for higher than what i should pay and reducing the service that i`m paying for."
proof is your bill, you get a 100$ a month plan and get a bill of 140$? that 40$ is your plain proof, if they say those are additional fees then bitch slap them their paper and state this line "i want my 100$ a month plan, not some shitty 140$ a month plan."
plus if they'd declare that that 40$ is for the "per gb" bill then state this line "that 'per gb' is non-existent and unstated on your advertisement and your services, should i include another fact that you're providing the public with false advertisement?"
ohh and if you do win, ask for a lifetime free internet, if thats not possible, ask a refund for the months/years you've been paying including that shitty 40$ additional "fees".
Tegh:
--- Quote from: kitamesume on July 24, 2011, 12:08:09 PM ---sue them for extortion and state this line "they've kept billing me for higher than what i should pay and reducing the service that i`m paying for."
proof is your bill, you get a 100$ a month plan and get a bill of 140$? that 40$ is your plain proof, if they say those are additional fees then bitch slap them their paper and state this line "i want my 100$ a month plan, not some shitty 140$ a month plan."
plus if they'd declare that that 40$ is for the "per gb" bill then state this line "that 'per gb' is non-existent and unstated on your advertisement and your services, should i include another fact that you're providing the public with false advertisement?"
ohh and if you do win, ask for a lifetime free internet, if thats not possible, ask a refund for the months/years you've been paying including that shitty 40$ additional "fees".
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Read some of the "Terms and Conditions" from the ISPs. Trust me there is more then a one clause on most of them that allow them to increase rates for certain reasons. You have to agree to those terms before using their service, even if it's the only one around, therefore...your plan wouldn't work.
Plus the companies can afford to pay the lawyer fees to jerk your chain around for the next 4 years (because they now get even MORE money from ppl that don't know better), but a normal person can't afford the battle. While i hate how that all works out...you're better off paying the 40 then the 50K, just saying!
kitamesume:
true true, you can only win this fight if you could prove that their service is incompetent and the advertised speed is falsified(this includes the caps where most of them says its "unlimited" but caps your speed horribly). sadly the government does not know how to handle such a case plus the evidence gathered can be considered as forged or falsified, making it hard to find a solid evidence. you`ll need to hack into their database and steal their information from there.
Meomix:
--- Quote from: Tegh on August 05, 2011, 11:55:06 AM ---
--- Quote from: kitamesume on July 24, 2011, 12:08:09 PM ---sue them for extortion and state this line "they've kept billing me for higher than what i should pay and reducing the service that i`m paying for."
proof is your bill, you get a 100$ a month plan and get a bill of 140$? that 40$ is your plain proof, if they say those are additional fees then bitch slap them their paper and state this line "i want my 100$ a month plan, not some shitty 140$ a month plan."
plus if they'd declare that that 40$ is for the "per gb" bill then state this line "that 'per gb' is non-existent and unstated on your advertisement and your services, should i include another fact that you're providing the public with false advertisement?"
ohh and if you do win, ask for a lifetime free internet, if thats not possible, ask a refund for the months/years you've been paying including that shitty 40$ additional "fees".
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Read some of the "Terms and Conditions" from the ISPs. Trust me there is more then a one clause on most of them that allow them to increase rates for certain reasons. You have to agree to those terms before using their service, even if it's the only one around, therefore...your plan wouldn't work.
Plus the companies can afford to pay the lawyer fees to jerk your chain around for the next 4 years (because they now get even MORE money from ppl that don't know better), but a normal person can't afford the battle. While i hate how that all works out...you're better off paying the 40 then the 50K, just saying!
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Pfft i'd rather complete the darknet than put up with that shit.
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