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The other corporations are not scared because they still own the national and local trunk lines that the small ISP must hook to.  As soon as the TO: / FROM: bytes become unbalanced or exceed contractual caps, the major companies will throttle the byte transfer from that company at the interface point.  As long as US government laws allow deregulated competition, that also means the laws allow corporations to NOT compete and artificially have higher prices, lower bandwidths, and throttled speeds.  Without conflict of interest laws, a number of film/TV/video/media companies such as Comcast, Cox, Time-Warner Cable, and Cablevision can dictate TOS terms that are against bandwidth usage if it is not within their own network (this would allow that ISP to sell pay per view or streaming television/movie services to their own customers thru their own network).   The key to higher prices and less choice is deregulation.

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How are they determining whether or not someone is a pirate? I assume they aren't spying on you directly. I had already heard to keep speeds below a certain limit. I assume thats it. In any case, I've mostly been using DDL for my anime. They bitch about that I'll simply stop watching anime. Its good stuff, but not good enough for me to buy. Few anime are, but I'm not going to spend $200 on anime to find one that I like (then an additional $150 for the rest of that show). Also, my experience will almost all official translations is that they suck ass. I don't pirate anything else.

I am worried about how they are finding people. If they are packet sniffing, that should be illegal (if it isn't already). Going through every packet seems computationally unlikely.

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How are they determining whether or not someone is a pirate? I assume they aren't spying on you directly. I had already heard to keep speeds below a certain limit. I assume thats it. In any case, I've mostly been using DDL for my anime. They bitch about that I'll simply stop watching anime. Its good stuff, but not good enough for me to buy. Few anime are, but I'm not going to spend $200 on anime to find one that I like (then an additional $150 for the rest of that show). Also, my experience will almost all official translations is that they suck ass. I don't pirate anything else.

I am worried about how they are finding people. If they are packet sniffing, that should be illegal (if it isn't already). Going through every packet seems computationally unlikely.

packet sniffing happens and i don't think it's illegal.


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I love computers these days!  So many things that SHOULD be illegal, are allowed, because they have no idea how to regulate lol.  Packet sniffing, honey pots, taps, you name it.  It goes both ways too; both hackers and corporations really have no idea what is legal any more. 
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I love computers these days!  So many things that SHOULD be illegal, are allowed, because they have no idea how to regulate lol.  Packet sniffing, honey pots, taps, you name it.  It goes both ways too; both hackers and corporations really have no idea what is legal any more. 

Hackers know what they are doing is illegal most of the time, or that at least hey are bending the law.


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I love computers these days!  So many things that SHOULD be illegal, are allowed, because they have no idea how to regulate lol.  Packet sniffing, honey pots, taps, you name it.  It goes both ways too; both hackers and corporations really have no idea what is legal any more. 

Hackers know what they are doing is illegal most of the time, or that at least hey are bending the law.

To an extent, but think about it this way:

Someone leaves a pair of brand new Nike's out on the street.  They just so happen to look pretty good, and are a perfect fit for you.  Now sure you aren't going to run over there and pick them up the first time you see them.  But, day after day, on your way to work, those shoes are sitting there.  You know that the owner HAS to know they are there, but they aren't doing anything with them.

After a month of that, wouldn't you just pick up the damn shoes so that at least SOMEONE can use them?  Anything else would be a waste really.

The world has put things out there, but doesn't really do anything to make it secure.  Or, what they do is the equivalent of moving the shoes to the backyard, with a broken old ass fence lol.  Sure i might be bending the law when I reach behind the fence and grab the shoes, but hey it's a hundred something bucks i don't have to pay for something they weren't smart enough to use properly in the first place.

Who's fault is that?  (to give you a hint, the judicial system hasn't figured out the answer to this one yet either lol.)
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I love computers these days!  So many things that SHOULD be illegal, are allowed, because they have no idea how to regulate lol.  Packet sniffing, honey pots, taps, you name it.  It goes both ways too; both hackers and corporations really have no idea what is legal any more. 

Hackers know what they are doing is illegal most of the time, or that at least hey are bending the law.

To an extent, but think about it this way:

Someone leaves a pair of brand new Nike's out on the street.  They just so happen to look pretty good, and are a perfect fit for you.  Now sure you aren't going to run over there and pick them up the first time you see them.  But, day after day, on your way to work, those shoes are sitting there.  You know that the owner HAS to know they are there, but they aren't doing anything with them.

After a month of that, wouldn't you just pick up the damn shoes so that at least SOMEONE can use them?  Anything else would be a waste really.

The world has put things out there, but doesn't really do anything to make it secure.  Or, what they do is the equivalent of moving the shoes to the backyard, with a broken old ass fence lol.  Sure i might be bending the law when I reach behind the fence and grab the shoes, but hey it's a hundred something bucks i don't have to pay for something they weren't smart enough to use properly in the first place.

Who's fault is that?  (to give you a hint, the judicial system hasn't figured out the answer to this one yet either lol.)

But morally, you know when you shouldn't do stuff.


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But morally, you know when you shouldn't do stuff.

Most pirates, ISPs, and others tend to ignore any morality related to the internet or technology though. A person might not steal a CD from a store, but they will download it. An ISP won't go through your mail/personal belongings, but they will go packet sniffing. Bad comparisons maybe, but many things become seem to become a moral grey are when the internet is involved.

More on topic, the ISP I have doesn't care what you download, but corporations will track your IP if its unencrypted and send out a cease and desist to the ISP to pass on to you. 5 C&Ds and they'll be forced to cut your service entirely. I think many ISPs not mentioned in the OP operate this way.

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How are they determining whether or not someone is a pirate?

If you read the "6 Strikes" agreement carefully, most of the strikes occur simply due to being accused.  You do not have any right to contest the accusation or demand data.  Just being accused is enough to count as a strike.  The two final strikes you have your defense, but by then, the other strikes that occurred will be brought up as counting against you thus showing you have a trend towards breaking the law and thus are deserving of:  (1) Being added to the Watch List of internet pirates that the ISP's keep  (2)  Having bandwidth limited  and/or total GB limited per month   (3) or having your account terminated with you being required to buy out the remainder per TOS (that is clearwire's version which is the worst).  (4) Involvement of the law such as MPAA or RIAA is additional but the ISP's can turn over the data to the copyright or servicemark holder.

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But morally, you know when you shouldn't do stuff.

Most pirates, ISPs, and others tend to ignore any morality related to the internet or technology though. A person might not steal a CD from a store, but they will download it. An ISP won't go through your mail/personal belongings, but they will go packet sniffing. Bad comparisons maybe, but many things become seem to become a moral grey are when the internet is involved.

More on topic, the ISP I have doesn't care what you download, but corporations will track your IP if its unencrypted and send out a cease and desist to the ISP to pass on to you. 5 C&Ds and they'll be forced to cut your service entirely. I think many ISPs not mentioned in the OP operate this way.

Do some ISPs ignore this?  I've never gotten  C&D  before and I download terrabyte +  per month of Pirate bay content sometimes.


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Re: Internet service providers to act against online piracy by reducing bandwidth
« Reply #52 on: September 01, 2011, 01:50:17 AM »
Comcast cable bandwidth distribution in neighborhood nodes has usage checked automatically by node.  If the set of users on your node is not using much bandwidth, then you can download a lot every day and not attract the attention of Comcast (at least in my area so far).  Your speeds of download can be very large too.  At least this was how it was explained to one of my friends who for some strange reason chose to live in a quiet apartment complex full of "old" people.  The old fogies don't really use up the bandwidth, so my friend gets to download well over the limit each month and at high speed.  So far, comcast has not contacted him. 

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Re: Internet service providers to act against online piracy by reducing bandwidth
« Reply #53 on: September 02, 2011, 12:27:52 AM »
Meh, I rarely torrent anime anyway.

Well, except for uploading shit at 3mbs... that might hit a snag.

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Re: Internet service providers to act against online piracy by reducing bandwidth
« Reply #54 on: September 02, 2011, 04:22:47 AM »
Comcast cable bandwidth distribution in neighborhood nodes has usage checked automatically by node.  If the set of users on your node is not using much bandwidth, then you can download a lot every day and not attract the attention of Comcast (at least in my area so far).  Your speeds of download can be very large too.  At least this was how it was explained to one of my friends who for some strange reason chose to live in a quiet apartment complex full of "old" people.  The old fogies don't really use up the bandwidth, so my friend gets to download well over the limit each month and at high speed.  So far, comcast has not contacted him. 

I am not sure what area you live it but that is not how it works where I work. ( I am a tech for Comcast.) The only time Comcast will care about your download is if you go over your 250 gig limit per month, otherwise they don't care. As for internet slowing or getting faster because of how many people are on it, it is not like DSL, the amount of frequency's we have is more then enough to support any number of customers on a node. (could be between 50-500 on a node). Therefore even if everyone is on at once it will not slow down. It does not get faster or slower based off of how many people are using it, it is all controlled by a program file that is stored in your modem. This file controls all of your internet speed. Your friend has not been contacted because there are people using a lot more bandwidth per month then him so they go after them first. They will eventually get around to him and give him a warning, if he goes over his 250 gigs again they will cut off his service for 6 months.


As for them monitoring they chose people with very high bandwidth usage and even then most of the time they need a court order. Think about it if we where really watching everything, one I would be fired for using this site, two child pornography sites would not exist. The biggest one that Comcast would care about is Universal since we now own them. What it really comes down to is that even with the new laws they cannot look at what you are doing on your internet unless they have a valid reason. Even then there are still hoops that need to be jumped through. Its not as easy as lets see what little Johny is looking up today.

Finally, that law is defiantly more targeted towards movies put out by huge company's, aka universal, Fox, Disney etc. Anime sites like this is low priority.

Edit: And as for the main topic of this thread Comcast has had its internet usage limited to 250 gigs for a couple years now, it is not a new policy from the article mentioned here, nor will they be decreasing it from that amount. This is because of a law put into effect by the FCC when we bought Universal to prevent us from having to much "power". We most keep our limit where it is, and we have to provide "affordable" internet to everyone, we are not allowed to throttle our internet in any way. This is to prevent us from effecting services like Netflix in an attempt to make people use our video service vs. one that streams online.
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Re: Internet service providers to act against online piracy by reducing bandwidth
« Reply #55 on: September 02, 2011, 04:47:08 AM »
I've gone over my 250GB limit with Comcast for multiple consecutive months before and never got a warning...

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Re: Internet service providers to act against online piracy by reducing bandwidth
« Reply #56 on: September 02, 2011, 05:21:49 AM »
That is because some people go over by Terabytes (like 10TB a month). They go for the big fish. There are plenty of people to take care of first. So unless you are really going over your band width right now it is doubtful that they will even bother you. Hence the article stated here that cable company's are cutting back on bandwidth is silly. Point being its not something to worry about. You can still go over the limit and not get noticed by anyone. Even when downloading illegal content unless you are really going to town. Big bro cant watch everyone at once no mater how hard he tries =)

Edit: Unless you are an employee then going over the bandwidth is bad. That is something they notice right away sadly....
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Re: Internet service providers to act against online piracy by reducing bandwidth
« Reply #57 on: September 02, 2011, 05:29:57 AM »
Comcast cable bandwidth distribution in neighborhood nodes has usage checked automatically by node.  If the set of users on your node is not using much bandwidth, then you can download a lot every day and not attract the attention of Comcast (at least in my area so far).  Your speeds of download can be very large too.  At least this was how it was explained to one of my friends who for some strange reason chose to live in a quiet apartment complex full of "old" people.  The old fogies don't really use up the bandwidth, so my friend gets to download well over the limit each month and at high speed.  So far, comcast has not contacted him. 

Maybe my provider is like that as well, I live in a neighborhood with many low usage old people.

I think that is proved with my speed.  I pay for 15mbps speed but I receive 45mbps?  I called them and they said don't complain about a good thing.

So maybe they don't catching me.


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Re: Internet service providers to act against online piracy by reducing bandwidth
« Reply #58 on: September 02, 2011, 05:35:54 AM »
Couldn't say about other service providers. Just now how it works with Comcast. Been there 8 long years. But yep don't complain about a good thing