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Offline Nyking754

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help me buy a new comp
« on: July 18, 2011, 05:07:13 AM »
hi my comp just broke :'( and ive decided to throw out everything and buy a new one including a monitor, headsets, speakers, and preferably wireless mouse and keyboard. im not so good with computers so please help me chose a good comp TY

budget $1500 but it would be awesome if u guys could keep it below $1000

specs-
a good video card (enough to play starcraft, crysis, LOL, final fantasy XIV, etc.)
at least 8 gig of ram
20" or better monitor
at least 2 tb of disk space
and maybe an external hd if it comes with it


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ok so i just saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yer955E7T6w and thought i should be able to do that  ;D
now im just asking if i should build that comp with just the help of that video and the people here and i also need some help on chosing what parts to buy
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Re: help me buy a new comp
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2011, 05:19:51 AM »
So I'm assuming this means you want a pre-built, because you're too scared to build a custom one because you aren't good with computers?

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Re: help me buy a new comp
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2011, 05:23:38 AM »
So I'm assuming this means you want a pre-built, because you're too scared to build a custom one because you aren't good with computers?
yep

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or some1 could show me how to do it lol
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Re: help me buy a new comp
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2011, 05:36:39 AM »
Hmm. In that case, pretty much anything that looks good should be enough for you... visit your local computers specialist store? Sounds like you really only need recommendations on processor and graphics.

In which case I can only really help with Intel processors. And in that respect, any i5 or i7 with a 4-digit model number and ending either with a K or without a letter at all would be sufficient (before the new year, anyway). Models ending with S or T are low-power and ultra-low-power, respectively, which you probably don't want for gaming.

Aim for a computer with an SSD boot drive (probably want 128GB+ since you're installing games) and another 2TB disk for storage.

For a cheap, mid-end but decent monitor, look at ASUS's 23" LED display. It's going for less than $200 on Newegg (I think it was $180 with $10 rebate in Canada). Their non-LED LCD equivalent is $10 cheaper with a $10 greater rebate.

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Re: help me buy a new comp
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2011, 06:13:55 AM »
ok so i just saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yer955E7T6w and thought i should be able to do that  ;D
now im just asking if i should build that comp with just the help of that video and the people here and i also need some help on chosing what parts to buy
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Re: help me buy a new comp
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2011, 06:33:56 AM »
Don't worry, it's pretty easy, or should I say straightforward... Just need some basic tech knowledge and some common sense. And patience - if something doesn't fit, don't force it.

Chalk it up to a good learning experience.

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Re: help me buy a new comp
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2011, 06:56:05 AM »
so just a few questions-
how much would it cost build the comp,
i have an estimate correct me if im wrong-
casing- 50
mother board- 100(no idea what to buy here but saw that most motherboards costs around that)
intel i7 processor- 300
good video card- 200
power supply- 30
fans and cooling- idk but guessing around 20
dvd drive- 20
2 tb hd- 100
is a sound card nessesary for playing sounds? and if so how mouch do they cost?
monitor- 200

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Re: help me buy a new comp
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2011, 07:39:13 AM »
Another one of those threads  :(

INB4 a barrage of builds.

Things to consider:

AMD's processors are underwhelming but they work well for budget builds. The motherboards have more features compared to an equally priced intel one as well. Money you save on the processor can be used on other hardware. Most games are GPU limited anyways. AMD is good enough.

Intel's platform is better performing but also more expensive. If you're on a tight budget, this might become a limitation.

Both platforms (AMD's AM3+ and Intel's 1155) are not really upgradable. Ivy Bridge is said to be compatible with 1155 but Intel's track record with compatibilty is not good. AM3+ may be the last of the AMx series. I think AMD will go with a pin incompatible socket after Bulldozer.

hi my comp just broke :'( and ive decided to throw out everything and buy a new one including a monitor, headsets, speakers, and preferably wireless mouse and keyboard. im not so good with computers so please help me chose a good comp TY
You threw out everything ??? You didn't even check what's still salvageable from the old one? Get a Mac.

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Re: help me buy a new comp
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2011, 07:50:46 AM »
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Read this topic:

> Technology > Help with building a tower

You will see exactly how I and another member here walked through a lot of options to build ~$800 computers with very serious computing power.  I'm trying to come in closer to ~$750, the other guy expanded his budget to go closer to $900.

The system I'm building is intended to overclock an AMD 965 Black Edition x4 processor from its rated 3.4 GHz up to ~4 GHz, and maybe 4.2.  With the proper motherboard, it's trivial these days.

As you noticed, there are hundreds thousands of videos and help sites to walk you through a build.  Essentially, the main box is 7 parts that need to be assembled carefully; everything else is peripherals.  Once you have the box budgeted (say: ~$900), then you decide how much you want to spend on monitor+mouse+keyboard & (maybe) external storage or other goodies (say: ~$300).  If $1200 is too much (which would be a mad state-of-the-art rig), then decide where to cut back a bit.


So, seriously, please read that topic.  It will answer many of your basic questions; a whole lot of your homework has already been done there.  There are also about ten other fairly recent topics here on the last ~8 pages or so that discuss other build options (including Intel CPU/mobo combinations).

If you're still uncomfortable with a build-your-own for some reason after that, just mention it and it won't be hard to point you at some newegg deals and suggest Good Things and Bad Things about them so you can decide where to make your compromises.

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so just a few questions-
how much would it cost build the comp,
i have an estimate correct me if im wrong-
casing- 50 - that's good; look at the one I got
mother board- 100 - more like $150, maybe $180; Intel, maybe $220
intel i7 processor- 300 - Intel, yes; AMD ~$180 x6 core @3.4 GHz, overclock to 4 GHz
good video card- 200 - can start ~$160-180 for very solid card, up to $250 without getting silly
power supply- 30 - $40 minimum; probably closer to $60; your rig will probably want 700-750 watts
fans and cooling- idk but guessing around 20 - look at the one I got: $24 after rebate; otherwise: $40-70
dvd drive- 20 - ASUS on special: $20 delivered
2 tb hd- 100 - Samsung F4 Spinpoint goes on special regularly for $60-70

DO NOT use this as your system install drive!  Get a Western Digital Caviar Black 640 or 750 GB SATA III or similar - OR - consider 64-90 GB SSD for extreme speed, if your budget will handle it.

is a sound card nessesary for playing sounds? and if so how mouch do they cost? - most boards come with very adequate to excellent sound for games: the Realtek ALC892 chipset is common & very solid

monitor- 200 - that'll get you a very nice one; you can drop down to ~$150 or go up to ~$300 depending on budget & quality you need


[ EDIT:  Oh, by the way -- if you are anywhere near Philadelphia, PM me and I'll take your broken old rig off your hands.  I'm in desperate need of parts to fix some systems and out of money.  Otherwise, tell us "HOW broken," and what parts are in it ... you can probably salvage a number of them.

EDIT^2: @Freedom Kira's reminder about RAM below: you can get an 8 GB matched dual channel set for ~$70 (got mine for $60; very unusual low price right now) ... look for 1600 or 1800/1833 speed; wasted money to go for 2000 or faster.  It's been getting ridiculously cheap.  G.SKILL is definitely the way to go; look for 9-9-9-24 timings on 1600 MHz RAM as a standard minimum. ]
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Re: help me buy a new comp
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2011, 07:52:13 AM »
$50 will get you one of the cheapest cases available. As you're going for some juice in your hardware, you may want to up your budget to $75-100 for the case.

$100 is like above, but not quite as exaggerated. $120-150 will get you a decent board.

$300 will get you a mid-grade i7. You'll probably be fine with an i5 (save around $100 with that), but if you want the i7, go for it. Also, make sure your CPU matches your motherboard's socket. For Intel desktop CPUs, look for LGA. Around now, the newest stuff is LGA1155, which will fit all of the 4-digit models of i3/i5/i7, for example i7 2600K (Sandy Bridge). Don't mix it up with LGA1156, which 1155 supersedes. If you're shopping on Newegg, you can search by socket. This should be true for most other sites too.
But of course, like Lupin said, consider AMD's stuff since your budget isn't huge.

$200 will get a video card that's between mid- and high-end, if I'm not mistaken. I'm not very well-versed in graphics.

$30 would probably be a PSU that's around 300-400W. That's probably not enough. You're probably looking at closer to $50.

If you don't plan to do a whole lot of overclocking on your system, the CPU's stock fan should be good enough. If you insist, though, $20 sounds about right for a decent CPU fan and heatsink.

You may be able to get down to $15 for a DVD burner. Not going to go with Blu-ray?

You can probably find a 2TB HDD for as low as $80, or $70 on sale. Definitely look for 7200RPM drives. WD Caviar Black have an excellent reputation for performance but cost a couple tens more. Caviar Green are easier on the wallet and the electric bill, but are fairly slow in comparison. Hitachi and Samsung are pretty solid brands too. Stay away from Seagate for drives over 1TB.

In general, a sound card isn't needed for decent sound; I've always gone with onboard sound myself. If you're an audiophile, though, you may want to invest up to $100 in a sound card.

Monitor seems about right for 20+ inches, assuming you're going with the more mainstream LCD/LED panels. The really top-end stuff with resolutions like 1600p cost way more than $200.

You forgot the RAM. You'll need some DDR3 (204-pin DIMM). A set of 8GB (or two sets of 4GB) should be around $100-150; haven't checked in a while.

So, sounds like you've got a decent ~$1100 build (~$900 without monitor), though you won't know for sure until you actually decide what you want. Since you have a bit left, try investing in an SSD. It alone will be the biggest performance booster for your system.

Anyway, people usually spend more time shopping for parts than actually building the system. Be prepared to spend a lot of time checking reviews and comparing products, if you want your build to really last.
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Re: help me buy a new comp
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2011, 08:06:36 AM »
Another one of those threads  :(

INB4 a barrage of builds.

Things to consider:

AMD's processors are underwhelming but they work well for budget builds. The motherboards have more features compared to an equally priced intel one as well. Money you save on the processor can be used on other hardware. Most games are GPU limited anyways. AMD is good enough.

Intel's platform is better performing but also more expensive. If you're on a tight budget, this might become a limitation.

Both platforms (AMD's AM3+ and Intel's 1155) are not really upgradable. Ivy Bridge is said to be compatible with 1155 but Intel's track record with compatibilty is not good. AM3+ may be the last of the AMx series. I think AMD will go with a pin incompatible socket after Bulldozer.

hi my comp just broke :'( and ive decided to throw out everything and buy a new one including a monitor, headsets, speakers, and preferably wireless mouse and keyboard. im not so good with computers so please help me chose a good comp TY
You threw out everything ??? You didn't even check what's still salvageable from the old one? Get a Mac.
last one was pretty old and i had a pretty bad case of bed bugs so i decided to throw all of it out

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Re: help me buy a new comp
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2011, 08:34:31 AM »
If there's a microcenter near you (I'm assuming you're in the US), they have great deals on cpu/mobo bundles.

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Re: help me buy a new comp
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2011, 10:09:31 AM »
You threw out everything ??? You didn't even check what's still salvageable from the old one? Get a Mac.

This. I don't care how old you thought the parts were, you can save a fair bit by using some of your old stuff that worked fine. Hell, I have two hard drives, a monitor and keyboard knocking on six years and still going strong. I'd have kept my old motherboard too if I didn't look at my Dell's hardware for the first time and curse loudly and their own-brand mobo's.

The general formula for what you want seems pretty easy though. Take a look at the brand swanky new shit being released, and then buy whatever last years model was cos its just halved in price due to every gullible moron wanting to pay out the ass for that extra couple of fps on their favourite PC game.

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Re: help me buy a new comp
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2011, 01:31:12 PM »
it depends on how much eye candy you want and how much fps you want on a certain res.

Phenom II X4 955 + HD6950 @ less than 1000$ can rape most games out there at 1920x1080p with high settings.
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=30474.100
well check this thread, same budget and same target, lalalalala.

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i`m gonna leave this spoiler here and run away before someone starts quoting me =P

PS: DIY(do it yourself) rig is like putting lego blocks together.... ok that sounds like its too easy, lets say the blocks are made of glass with screw holes that needs some good handling.

3 main "Do Not" that you should keep in mind:
Do Not Drop
Do Not Scratch
Do Not, I Repeat, Do Not Be A Moron. just dont do something stupid like pour water on the rig or something like that.

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oh and you did mention you need some headsets, wireless keyboard and wireless mouse too right? i`m not good with that, sorry.
oh btw, wireless = not good for gaming, you're looking at 50-200ms delays from click to action.
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Re: help me buy a new comp
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2011, 05:18:17 PM »
after a bit of looking around i think ill go with these (haven't finished)-

processor- AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition
motherboard- no idea please help me find one that fits with my processor
video card- AMD Radeon™ HD 6870
ram- G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL
primary OS HD- Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
secondary HD- SAMSUNG EcoGreen F4 HD204UI 2TB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
dvd drive- Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model AD-7260S-0B - OEM
power supply- PC Power and Cooling Silencer Mk II 950W High Performance 80PLUS Silver SLI CrossFire ready Power Supply
cooling- ZALMAN CNPS9900MAX-B 135mm Long life bearing CPU Cooler Blue LED
casing -Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case (was thinking about getting the cooler master haf x but it was $189 and i dont have a huge budget)
monitor- ASUS VH236H Black 23" 2ms Full HD Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ Speakers 300 cd/m2 20000 :1 (ASCR)
headset- Creative Fatal1ty Gaming Headset
keyboard and mouse- Logitech Cordless Desktop EX 100 Black 102 Normal Keys USB RF Wireless Standard Keyboard and Mouse



i found all of these on newegg and here is the shoping cart that i filled
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Re: help me buy a new comp
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2011, 06:13:24 PM »
primary OS HD- Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
secondary HD- SAMSUNG EcoGreen F4 HD204UI 2TB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

this is so wrong, what datora meant by use a WD black for OS is IF you are going to use a HDD for the OS instead and arent going SSD based.

for the same price(thinking about 150$) you could get like 128GB of SSD plus the fact that the OS barely even uses 30GB...

imho 60GB SSD for OS and 1TB HDD on main storage should be your primary goal, any excess should be done externally(NAS, bah even USB 3.0 based is enough as a storage) or at least do it on a different HDD.

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Re: help me buy a new comp
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2011, 06:17:56 PM »
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One thing I was clearly wrong about is that, if you wanted to go Intel, then you can certainly get a solid mobo for under $150 (not the $220 I listed; those exist but are getting into the top performance range).

Apart from that, it seems you're willing to go AMD.  For what you want to do, it should be all the power you need & still meet budget.  For the rest of us to make sure, it would help if you can list maybe the top ~5 or so most intensive games you intend to play.

As far as AMD mobos go, here is a shining example of a modern, powerful AMD board:

 - GIGABYTE GA-990XA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990X

currently going for $168 (including shipping).  If the price drops on this (usually by $10 or $20 and free shipping), this is the board I will get for my build.  OR one very similar -- for me, price is pretty critical right now.

When you're looking at AMD boards, notice this:

 - 990FX is pretty much the top model chipset, so a 990X or 990GX or 990XA makes some compromises; you will pay a $30 to $50 premium to go with an FX board, but you may not need it.

 - the "AM3+" means you can upgrae the processor to the next generation Bulldozer ... once it's available.  So, maybe in ~12 or 18 months you might be able to really jump your CPU horsepower.  A "AM3" socket will top out with the Phenom line, such as the x6 core you're looking at.

 - on the Gigabyte boards, the UD3 is below the UD5, which is below the UD7 models.  Again, more bling$ to buy into those ... and you may not/probably don't require the extra features.

Even though I used Gigabyte as an example, ASUS and MSI ( to name at least two others) are equivalent brands right now ... so Gigabyte offers very impressive features and an superb BIOS, but I'm not advocating it as the only option.


Generally speaking, if you intend to run two video cards in SLI, you'd want two PCIe 16x slots for maximum/premium performance.  To get that feature, you would need to look at 990FX / UD5 boards.  On the other boards, the first PCIe slot runs at 16x with one video card, but if you add a second GPU to the next slot, then both slots drop down to 8x speed.

That's still enormous amounts of mad power, unless you are really a l33t gamer ... in which case, your budget would need to be expanded.

So, what games you want to run?  Would you want/need dual video cards?


I'll also take issue with the x6 core CPU.  You can certainly get one, but do you really need that power?  Very few apps can use 6 cores (so far).  By the time that changes, in about a year or so, then the Bulldozer CPUs will have been out for some time.  You might consider a solid x4 core now, such as the Deneb Black Edition 965 or 970, if you can get one at a good price.  These will overclock to 4 GHz with ease; most folks get them up to 4.2 on air cooling.

This solution might be good enough for your needs; it's a shitload of power, especially coupled with 1600 MHz RAM (which can usually be OC'd to 1800).  Then, if you've got an AM3+ board, you could jump the CPU up in a year for ~$150 or $180 and completely revitalize your system for newer games coming out in late 2012.


Final thought for this post: 950 watts for a power supply is vastly over-powered ... for a single video card.  A 650 watt would do you just fine, and 700-750W is a bit overpowered but still a comfortable "headspace" of extra, unused capacity.  Once you hit 800watts and above you're wasting money.

Look for something more like this example:

 - COOLER MASTER GX RS750-ACAAE3-US 750W SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE

which would come in at $70 including free shipping AFTER rebate.  And, you can do a bit better by shopping carefully.  If you found one for less that was 680 or 700 or 720 watts, get it.  750 should be the upper limit, unless you decide you need to run two video cards.

The 80 PLUS rating is high energy efficiency rating ... more electricity gets used, less wasted, less extra heat generated.  The Bronze Certified is always good; just means nice, solid build.  Look for those ratings, they are nice to have & are worth the extra couple $$$s that go into a quality PSU.
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Re: help me buy a new comp
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2011, 06:29:49 PM »
i just dont get people getting those "raw power" just to crunch the same resolution on games as i do when i only need like a 10th of the power they're gonna be getting...

my gaming rig *whistles* i3-2100 + HD6670 + 4gb ram + 500GB HDD + Agility(1) series 40gb *whistles* and i could crunch metro 2033 @ 1920x1080 med @ 40fps XD

@OP
i5-2500K WILL eat the Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition alive for like 40$ more? plus the fact that the i5-2500K can OC like hell on air cooling(we're talking 4-5Ghz here).
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Re: help me buy a new comp
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2011, 06:35:17 PM »
primary OS HD- Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
secondary HD- SAMSUNG EcoGreen F4 HD204UI 2TB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

this is so wrong, what datora meant by use a WD black for OS is IF you are going to use a HDD for the OS instead and arent going SSD based.

for the same price(thinking about 150$) you could get like 128GB of SSD plus the fact that the OS barely even uses 30GB...

imho 60GB SSD for OS and 1TB HDD on main storage should be your primary goal, any excess should be done externally(NAS, bah even USB 3.0 based is enough as a storage) or at least do it on a different HDD.

Yeah .. I sort of missed that.

Look, I picked up one of these drives:

 - Western Digital Caviar Black WD7502AAEX 750GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s

for $49.99 delivered on a newegg special.  It is a huge drive for an OS install, but it's a great one.  I was trying to find a 500 GB or under drive ... but they just don't make them anymore.  I would not have bought htis drive for the $70 it's going for regularly.  You very much do not need a 1 TB drive.  Go for this one instead:

 - Western Digital Caviar Black WD5002AALX 500GB 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s

What I was trying to say is:  be aware of the available drives and get one when it comes up on a good price.


As far as the mass storage, check this topic:

> Technology > 4 TB external storage solution

for one option.  I'm using this exact solution and it is fantastic.  I have had solid luck with the SAMSUNG EcoGreen F4 HD204UI 2TB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s drives ... I have three of them and they are all working flawlessly.

However, I also bought them for $69.99 (first one) and $59.99 (second two) when they went on special.  You can get one of these drives and put it inside your build and they transfer data at very fast speeds, even for SATA II drives.  Later you can play with external storage enclosures (maybe find a USB 3.0 one), etc.


Please keep in mind that the suggestions I'm making for you also mean looking for a good price, not just paying the standard rate.  You'll kill your budget on the shipping alone ... everything I've bought so far has been free shipping ... probably close to $50 in savings that are being invested in actual hardware.
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Re: help me buy a new comp
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2011, 06:42:10 PM »
well if i look at my HDD, and if i make a pie chart it`ll look like this:

500GB(my main disk, so cute LOL)
games 20% (reason why its under 100gb is because i dont keep games i've finished, i uninstall them and store the installer on my backup drive)
audio files(mp3, flacs, etc.) 10%
pictures 10%
movies 50%
free space 10%

currently transferring the movies on my newly bought seagate drive XD

PRO TIP: buy your HDD locally, seriously.
reason: warranty replacement is just at your door step.
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